Wrapping up a bad preseason
Note: I was sitting down to write a recap of the preseason, and then I noticed that Citizen Zhiv had done it for me. So that's a little time-saver for me. Well played, Zhiv. See my comments in the... well, comments.
Let's start with the good news, and there's a fair amount of it, but it doesn't disguise the fact that this has been a bad preseason for the Clips. It hasn't been a "horrible" preseason, and the downbeat elements of the past two weeks may not have any impact on the regular season. The outlook for the team is still bullish. But there are a lot of unanswered questions about the team and how it will play and gel.
The good news (in order of importance):
Eric Gordon had one spectacular half. This is probably the most important item from the preseason, because it was a concrete example of the beloved "ridiculous upside." Gordon needs minutes, good looks and shot selection, and he needs to be on the court with Baron Davis, but we got to see that he could become very productive and even a force in the not-so-distant future. He came back after a summer league injury and a first-day-of-practice injury and seems ready to take on his role on opening day as part of the BDavis-Mobley-RDavis backcourt team. This is very good news.
Al Thornton played pretty well. We didn't actually get to see much action, but Thornton had the solid, standard preseason of a young veteran and, again, that's without playing with Baron Davis. Good news.
Mike Taylor had some great preseason games. He seemed to fall back to Earth a bit, which is predictable, but he can play. He can be exciting and stir things up a bit, which is a good complement and alternative to Jason Hart, who is not very exciting but should be steady. It's a pleasant surprise, and good news that Taylor earned a spot on the team, and perhaps he'll beat out Hart and become consistently effective as time goes on.
Paul Davis, Brian Skinner, Hart, DJordan, and Steve Novak were all okay, quite acceptable for preseason. It's nice to see that Davis3 is healthy and able to do his (limited) job. Cat Mobley and Ricky Davis are important rotation players who fall into the same category. Mobley played defense and filled his blanket role, RDavis hit some shots from time to time, and Mobley-RDavis-Gordon added up to an acceptable preseason effort--again, given the absence of BDavis.
So that covers very good, good, and okay/acceptable.
Bad was the Marcus Camby flu, followed by the Marcus Camby heel injury. Bad was the Tim Thomas groin injury. Bad was the Baron Davis flu, followed by the Baron Davis finger injury. Bad was Kaman's lackluster (to put it mildly) first few games, followed by a sequence of so-so efforts, Kaman .8 followed by Kaman 1.5 and Kaman 1.8, with nary of glimpse of Kaman 2.0, let alone Kaman 2.5 or 3.0.
But some of Kaman's lassitude and mediocrity can be attributed to not having Camby and BDavis around--although I would argue that he should be able to get more out solid rebounding/defending horses like Skinner and Davis3. The fact that Kaman had a slow, similar preseason last year is some comfort, but not much--we don't like to see players go backwards in their effectiveness levels, which requires a good effort to just get back to where they were. But we can hope, if not assume, that Kaman isn't the Clips main concern.
Kaman's interaction with Camby, however, is the Clips' primary concern right now. Perhaps this would be less of an issue if the schedule wasn't front-loaded, and the early games had some soft front lines against which they could build confidence and chemistry. Looking at it from another perspective, Andrew Bynum and Pao Gasol have had a whole lot of practice time and plenty of preseason game time to figure out some things about playing together. Kaman and Camby have had zero. This is bad. They can make a lot of progress with a few days of practice and in a few games, but they'll be starting from scratch. It's bad. Not horrible or very bad, but bad.
Camby's general arrival in LA has been bad. We're still thinking that he's going to be a great veteran and glue guy, doing lots of little things, but he has gotten off to a very rocky start. One thing I didn't realize is that the Lakerworld would be extra critical of him because of the playoff thumpings of Denver. TJ Simers brought this up and Camby has already managed to get his negative attention, just to compound the early storyline of his disgruntled departure from Denver. All of this should work itself out fairly quickly, but the guy has to start playing some basketball, and then he needs to stay healthy.
The unfortunate sequence of events and absence of BDavis has been bad, not so much for him and how he's going to perform once the season starts, but for the entire rest of the team, which wants to gain the confidence that they'll get from playing with him. The good news there is that they did manage to get some practice time with him and one game. This allows all of the players, along with us as fans, to know that the Baron Effect is real. We saw it. The Clippers were at least a 1000% better basketball team with Baron Davis on the floor, and that was with no Camby, no Gordon, and Kaman in doofus mode.
The Clips are trying to have a completely new team and new energy this season. But they weren't able to begin the process in the preseason. Too bad.
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Depth
The good news can, I think, be summed up in one word – depth. The Clippers would appear to have more of it than many expected. Mike Taylor appears to be capable of manning the point, and Eric Gordon is ready for minutes now – at the very least, you have to get him on the floor to see if he’s white hot. Of course, this pre-supposes that Camby and Baron and Thomas play, and play well. Hopefully that’s a relatively safe assumption, at least for Baron and Camby.
But after starting 3-0, the Clippers have lost 3 straight against NBA teams (they had that win against Barcelona in there as well of course). And they looked downright awful for a half against Phoenix and stretches against Portland.
It’s easy to explain it by saying they were missing $30M in salary and 2 new starters, etc, etc. Just as it’s easy to say that the 3 wins didn’t matter because it’s just pre-season.
But Zhiv’s point is spot on (and it’s the point citizen madglove has been emphasizing as well): this team of new-comers needs to play together and the pre-season was an utter disaster from that standpoint. Kaman+Camby? 0 games. Baron+Gordon? 0 games. Baron played in only one with any of his new teammates. So if this group doesn’t hit the ground running against the Lakers on Wednesday, the BRUTAL November schedule will take its toll.
However, given the collective sigh when we found out that Baron was not going to miss the opener, we can easily see that it could have been worse. At the very least, there should be a LOT of energy Wednesday. Season opener, home against the roommates, Camby in a Clippers Uni for the first time, Baron back on the court after almost 2 weeks. With the Lakers playing the second of back to backs, energy could carry the Clippers far in that game.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Oct 23, 2008 1:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Next project
Happy to step in and save the time. My next project would be to look up Kaman’s first 10 games in 07, just to calibrate the settings for 2.0. Don’t know when I’ll get around to it.
I managed to work in a brief aside about Simers’ blast yesterday at Camby, but I still haven’t said anything about Bill Simmons’ shot at Dunleavy in his very good article about Elgin. That’s on my list too.
by citizen zhiv on Oct 23, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Solid
“The outlook for the team is still bullish.”
Thanks Zhiv, it was good to hear someone say that.
We shouldn’t be surprised that this team without Baron Davis is similar to this team last year without Elton Brand. They’re both top 10 players in this league, and average 20 points a game, very hard to replace. We can argue that losing Maggette may actually help the team, and that what Marcus Camby can do for a team will result in more wins than what Maggette contributed to. But we don’t know if MC will be healthy, or how much he’ll care. Overall, we know he’s a character guy and should probably buy in if he’s able.
So, the last two games have been brutal, no doubt. But what can we expect without a leader on the court? It’s likely that we were spoiled by the efforts against the Thunder & Kings.
by ghost_ride on Oct 23, 2008 2:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Note: I was sitting down to write a recap of the preseason, and then I noticed that Citizen Zhiv had done it for me.
sure you were…8-)
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Oct 23, 2008 2:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Write-up
Good summary off the pre-season.
One x-factor that would really help us out is the health of Deron Williams. Reports say he’s trying to make it back for opening night, but if for whatever reason he has to miss the two games we have vs. the Jazz, that’s an absolute gift (assuming we make the most of it and you know, win those games).
I do have a comment about Camby. I am interested and somewhat concerned to see how Camby reacts once he’s playing again. Is he really still sulking over the trade? Does he not want to be here? Is he really injured or is he just mailing in the pre-season? Camby has never been considered a bad guy, but he’s not quite Shane Battier either. We’ll see if he has the positive, veteran impact we all expected him to have. I’m hoping he turns out like Sam, who was also jilted when traded here for Mr. Adriana Lima, but used that as motivation to have a great year.
Having said that, who cares if the “Lakerworld” is harsh towards him? As far as I’m concerned, I don’t want any Clipper playing nice with the Lakers, their fans or their sycophantic media. I was HAPPY to hear that Camby gave Simers the cold shoulder (and a few “kind” words).
In the end, the success of the team will depend mostly on the health and success of Baron Davis and Chris Kaman. Yes Camby is a huge asset, and yes Thornton and Gordon need to develop quickly, but Kaman is absolutely vital to this team. Why Kaman over Camby? Simple – because he’s the ONLY low-post threat on this whole team. With him active inside, the shooters are freed up, the scoring opportunities are easier and the team works better. Without him, the shooters get no looks and every single FGA comes from the perimeter.
The bottom line is that if Baron and Kaman have all-star caliber seasons that they’re capable of having, we’ll be a playoff team. If not, we won’t.
by madglove on Oct 23, 2008 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
$500 to dunk on Oden...
I almost spit up my coffee on keyboard after reading this from RDavis…
Yeah, that’s about the only three people that can dunk on him tonight," Davis said. "And [Chris] Kaman . . . "
not this preseason…
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Oct 24, 2008 10:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It seems like we are always fighting injuries to our key players, did anyone heart stop after Gordon was fouled hard by JR?
by Qlippers on Oct 25, 2008 5:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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