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Clippers vs. Lakers - Game Preview and Open Thread

LA Clippers logo
vs.
Lakers logo
0-0 1-0
Staples Center
October 29, 2008 - 7:30 PM
TV: ESPN, KTLA
Probable starters:
Baron Davis
PG Derek Fisher
Cuttino Mobley
SG Kobe Bryant
Al Thornton SF Vladimir Radmanovic
Tim Thomas
PF Pau Gasol
Chris Kaman
C Andrew Bynum

The Big Picture:

The Clippers open their 2008-2009 season exactly where they closed their home slate last April - against the 'visiting' Lakers in Staples Center.  Now, the whole Clippers-Lakers thing is a different dynamic than anywhere else in the league, given that they share a building.  But the Clippers actually switched 'Fan Appreciation Night' last season so that it wouldn't occur against the Lakers because they weren't so very appreciative of all those Lakers' fans who snap up tickets.  It's no fun feeling like the visiting team when your logo is on the floor, but that's life in LA.  By the way, the Trailblazers found out last night how it feels to be a non-playoff team, hoping to make the step forward this season, and to run into the Lakers on Opening Night.

But this is a special home opener for the Clippers.  The roster has been completely revamped, and most importantly it's Baron Davis' debut as a home town NBA player.  His grandma will be in attendance, the game's on national TV, and he's playing against the Lakers.  I think he'll be sky high, and I hope the rest of the roster follows his lead.  It looks like Baron (finger) and Tim Thomas (groin) will each play for the first time since the first pre-season game back in early October, but we'll probably have to wait a little longer to see Marcus Camby's (bruised heel) Clipper debut. 

The Antagonist:

The Lakers looked very good last night against the Blazers.  They opened up an early lead, cruised to a 20 point win, and looked impressive the whole way in doing so.   In stark contrast to the Clippers, the Lakers' roster is virtually unchanged from the end of last season.  Except that they're a lot healthier than the team that ripped through the Western Conference on their way to the NBA Finals.  Trevor Ariza and Andrew Bynum are back on the court; Ronny Turiaf is the only subtraction who played more than 8 minutes per game last season.  The team is so deep that Lamar Odom, Kobe's erstwhile second-banana, is starting the season as the Sixth Man.  Citizen Zhiv will watch that situation closely for us, looking for Maggette 06 parallels.  It's still Kobe's team of course, and he went for 21/11/5 last night.  But Bynum and Pau Gasol may form the best all-around front court in the league, and the Lakers surround those guys with shooters.  If this team can commit to playing defense, they will be tough for anybody to beat.

The Subplots

  • The Baron Davis era begins!  Make no mistake, this is big.  The Clippers have never had an elite point guard.  And certainly not one with the star power of Baron Davis.  A spectacular showing on National TV, even in a loss, could create a lot of buzz.  Of course, a flameout could create buzz as well - just ask Greg Oden.  Baron will be playing for the first time since injuring the ring finger on his left (non shooting) hand.  The finger will be taped, but is likely to be painful.  Every Derek Fisher slap will be an anxious moment for Clipper fans.
  • Don't forget your name tag.  The Clippers are still getting to know each other.  Baron has logged 18 minutes of game time with his new teammates.  He's never played a game with rookie Eric Gordon, who sat out the one game that Baron played.  The adrenaline will be pumping and there should be no shortage of energy out there (hopefully).  But the possibility is pretty strong for a no look bullet pass from Baron to wind up flying past an unsuspecting teammate.  If you have courtside seats, keep your hands up.
  • Matchups.  So many questions.  Matchups are always interesting, but with the Clippers extreme makeover, it's a real mystery.  Cat starts out guarding Kobe, that much is clear.  But can MDsr trust anyone else on the guy?  Ricky Davis?  Eric Gordon?  Does Baron take a turn?  Down low, without Camby, Tim Thomas will have his hands full with Gasol.  But what are the other options?  Look for Brian Skinner to get a bunch of minutes because of defense.  Davis3 is outclassed, and DeAndre Jordan is a rookie.  This is a bad one for Camby to miss from that standpoint.
  • Al Thornton.  After Baron against Fisher (and don't forget how well Fish played him in the 2007 playoffs when his return to the Jazz lineup basically turned the series around), Thornton versus Vlad is the Clippers other 'go to' matchup.  Al's got all the tools - he's got the first step, the range, the assorted moves, the motor.  The Clippers need him to have a big game tonight, and he's fully capable of doing so.
  • Dr. 2.0 and Mr. Flippy.  Chris Kaman meandered through an uninspiring pre-season a year ago, and then went for 26 and 18 in the season opener, and on that day Kaman 2.0 was born.  Yet Mr. Flippy, the guy who skips through the lane, dribbles incessantly, and flips those oh-so-cute left handed scoop shots towards the rim, remains with us, and was spotted several times this pre-season.  I floated the theory a couple weeks ago that Chris just doesn't respond well to pre-season - that he needs the extra focus that comes with a 'real' game.  That's what happened last year, but the Warriors front line is a little different than the one he'll see tonight.  With Camby out, and facing Bynum and Gasol, this will be a big challenge, with or without focus.  As the Clippers ONLY low post big, he has to have a good game.  If he doesn't, you can forget about winning this one.
  • Rookie debuts.  The Clippers have three promising rookies who figure to play in their first NBA game tonight.  Gordon, Jordan and Mike Taylor all showed great promise in the pre-season.  Gordon is likely to make appearances in the regular rotation, however brief, from the beginning.  Jordan and Taylor may not get on the court before garbage time - but that could still be 12 minutes or so, unfortunately.
  • October 9, 2008.  That's the day the Clippers beat the Lakers by 27 in Fresno in the first pre-season game.  Good times.  Of course, it was only a pre-season game, and if anything it will motivate the Lakers to come out and play hard.  But still, it was fun.

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funny comment by Bill Simmons

Eric Gordon’s beautiful, moonball, knee-weakening, once-in-a-generation jump shot. It’s just perfect. I love it. I love everything about it. Every time he shoots it, the Clippers crowd goes quiet for a split-second like one of the cheerleaders just pulled up her shirt. Even the spin is gorgeous. I can’t say enough about it. I am in love with Eric Gordon’s jump shot. I want to marry it. I want to have kids with it. I will go to at least one practice or shootaround this year just to see him hoist 200 of them. And by the way, the kid is going to be great — he’s bigger than I thought, and when he drives to the lane, defenders just bounce off him. He will end up being the third-best guy in that draft.

by Qlippers on Oct 29, 2008 8:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Good stuff

Simmons has been taking an interesting, subtle, non-committal approach to the Clippers this year, but you get the sense that he’s about as happy as he’s ever been to have his season tickets. This love for Gordon’s jump shot, and saying he’s going to be the #3 player in the draft—behind Rose and Beasley, presumably—is an important advance.

Some will remember that Simmons (unlike his ESPN colleague Hollinger) is completely geeked up by Al Thornton as well. He has spoken just as glowingly as he does here about Gordon about AT’s highlight plays and taking over games, and AT was his silver lining player last year. And you know that he has to appreciate Baron Davis and is interested to see how his LA tenure plays out—it’s perfect Simmons anti-Laker, Hollywood savvy fodder.

On the downside, in his excellent piece on just how awesome Elgin Baylor was as a player, which is very much worth reading, and one of my own favorite pieces ever by Simmons, he did take a pretty sharp swipe at Dunleavy. In the piece, Simmons writes about how he got off to a bad start with Elgin, but slowly started to figure things out. And then he made a bet with Dunleavy in a shooting contest, which Simmons won, and Dunleavy snuck away with paying him $100. Elgin told Simmons it was “typical.” It was all kind of vague, and set against the way that Dunleavy wedged into personnel authority over Elgin, and set the tone that Elgin wasn’t as big a supporter of Dunleavy as we might have thought. We also know that Simmons thought that Dunleavy was a doofus in the Maggettifesto days, like many of us. Kind of interesting to see how it’s so easy for Phil Jackson to take Odom out of the starting lineup, while Dunleavy was a moron for trying to make Maggette a 6th man. Different topic.

The main thing on Simmons is that, much like Clipper Steve, he never commits to a spot for the Clippers in his recent NBA Curves column. They’re in the middle of the hourglass, it seems. But it’s not like he isn’t positioning himself to jump on a bandwagon, if one starts up, and he’ll be seeing a lot of games.

by citizen zhiv on Oct 29, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

It’s funny, I woke up, and I was thinking, I should write something about the game. and then I remembered, oh yeah, I ALWAYS write something for the game.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Oct 29, 2008 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks again Steve

I believe all of us appreciate it.

After tonight:

Clips: 1-0, Lakers: 1-1

by Newton Pham on Oct 29, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can't wait

I cannot wait for tonights game. I hope it’s a good one because I am paying good money to see this one.

by Newton Pham on Oct 29, 2008 9:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Keep it close...

I’d consider it a win if we can lose by only 10 points or less tonight. The back to back game wont be in too much effect for them because last night was a semi-blow out and they have a deep bench.

Of course I want the win, and make no mistake, a win would be HUGE for club optimism.

by ghost_ride on Oct 29, 2008 9:39 AM PDT reply actions  

I don’t think back to back have much weight as the first 2 games of the season

by Qlippers on Oct 29, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

No travel

Back to back is not a big deal when you’re in town, no travel, sleeping in your own bed. The Lakers could have a let down just from it being the second game, but the back to back is not a factor.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Oct 29, 2008 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

No moral victories

Geez ghost_ride, talk about low expectations. There are no such things as moral victories for Game 1 of the season. It’s win or lose, there’s no in between.

If this team hopes to be a playoff team, there are no such things as moral victories period.

I agree that back to back games aren’t a factor in terms of fatigue, but it could be in terms of focus. They blew out a Portland team that was very hyped. They could be feeling really good about themselves tonight and expecting to blow us out as well. Enter Baron Davis…

by madglove on Oct 29, 2008 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok MG

Were you around last year when we lost to the Lakers an average of 26 points per game?

All I’m saying is I want to see us be competitive, given that we’re not close to full strength while the Lakers are. If we lose by 10 or less tonight, I’d feel Ok. Of course I want the win, but more than anything it’s important for us not to get blown out.

by ghost_ride on Oct 29, 2008 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

C'mon, last year?

Haha c’mon man, you can’t use last year as any comparison. Like I said before, anyone who expected that Clippers team to be competitive in any way was deluding themselves. As soon as Brand went out, the season was toast. I remember some people actually getting excited about the 4-0 start. That’s all just blindness.

All I’m saying is that it’s Game 1! It’s the Baron Davis Era! Have some optimism! At least for tonight, I think we should all join zhiv’s club.

I know you want the win too of course. I’m not questioning that. Just saying though, there really aren’t any moral victories. Losing by 10 or 20 won’t mean much. I mean the Lakers just pounded Portland by 20. Do you really think they’d feel better today if it was 10 instead?

by madglove on Oct 29, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

N.M.V?

You still trying to claim no moral victories? I think we’d all have taken one tonight. Getting Kaman 0.5 and Thornton 0.7 is the dumps

by ghost_ride on Oct 29, 2008 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

None whatsoever

Nope, none at all. What would a moral victory have for us today? We’d maybe feel a little better but the reality is that we’d still be 0-1. And in truth, if the team uses this as motivation, this blowout could be a positive.

The reality is that a 10 point loss would have simply meant we were bad without realizing that we need to come together and re-focus. The team would have just shrugged it off and continued to ignore the issues that this team has (like defensive rotations).

We’ll just have to see how the team reacts tomorrow night.

by madglove on Oct 30, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here we go

I’d be happy to spend all day on this, but it looks like I’ll be doing some “work.” The most interesting thing right now, for me at least, is that sample from the game last night, which turned out to be more important than I would have guessed.

Going in, it was a mixed bag. Don’t want the Blazers to compete, but don’t want the Lakers to be completely dominant. One of the things we discovered in the game is that Portland’s early schedule is just as nasty as the Clippers—we’ll see if they make such a big deal about it on ESPN tonight. The Blazers looked to be quite mortal, not really ready to compete at the elite level, and then GOden played just enough to show that he has very crude offensive skills, and little enough to show that he’s still fragile. Any news on that MRI? The Blazer version of Club Optimism took a huge hit last night—and hey, do you think some of those pundits handing the Blazers the 6-8 spot might be a bit nervous about that pick? There’s a long way to go, but then you have that tough early schedule to worry about.

On the other side, the goal is to win and compete like on October 9th. But the Clips have some fairly significant excuses if they fall short: no Camby, they haven’t had a chance to play together, two guys just coming off the shelf. So the real goal is to compete and display some of their weapons. The Clips want to stay in the game and play hard, they want to defend and hustle and hit some shots, and they should be alright. I would say it’s important, especially with it being a home game, for them to do better than the Blazers did last night.

It will be important to keep Radman in check, and the Clips have to stay at home, in general, on the Laker shooters—and there really aren’t that many of them. If Radman isn’t left open and isn’t running up and down the floor, then Ariza’s offensive game will probably be muted as well. The Clips want the Lakers thinking about Thornton, rather than Thornton playing catchup to the Laker SFs.

The problem for the Clips is that they don’t have Camby around to slow down and stifle Gasol. Gasol looked as good on Oct. 9 (with no Camby) as he did last night, and Tim Thomas coming off an injury isn’t going to stop him. There’s a major advantage for the Lakers here, because you also don’t want to ignore Bynum and get him going. Again, good basic defense and rebounding will help. We all remember that Kaman was missing layups and seemed tentative at the hoop after getting past Bynum, and the same logic applies as with Thornton: a good offensive start and some baskets by Kaman will make the Lakers think about what they have to do, rather than the other way around.

LO did not look at all like Maggette 06 last night, although I only saw the first half. There’s a reason why LO got a zillion dollars from Miami (and the Clips didn’t match) and Maggs got 35 or something from Utah, which the Clips did match. LO is a more complete player. And he’s coming off the bench as a PF. I predicted in my earlier studies that Radman was the most likely starter, because they need his shooting.

One scary thing about the Lakers last night was the rebounding of Kobe and Lamar, combined with their inclination to distribute. The Clips have to rebound and they can’t let Lamar and Kobe grab rebounds and take off and run. The Lakers now have plenty of weapons where Kobe can think like Magic Johnson and get things going for other guys. The trick with the Lakers will be that he eventually likes to score points and get his own shots, which can take them out of their flow and some of his shots might not be so great. But he’s a monster, there’s no denying it. It’s not much of a silver lining, but perhaps it’s good that the Clips have low expectations out of Mobley—hit a couple of shots, play defense—unlike the way that Brandon Roy was supposed to take him on directly and be highly productive. It didn’t happen.

Without Camby, and without Eric Gordon, and with Kaman playing poorly, the Clippers got a good start, hit some shots, and exercised their will on the vaunted Lakers on Oct. 9. Tonight they just have to play hard, try and make some good things happen, just like they did in that first preseason game.

by citizen zhiv on Oct 29, 2008 10:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Lets get this party started!!

We have all been waiting a long time for the season to start (I would venture to say some of us were ready for this season even before LAST season started). Let’s take it to the Fakers early and often, and take all the Fakers fans, and there will be a lot of them at Staples tonight, that much I guarantee, out of the game. I would love nothing better than for the Faker fans to arrive fashionably late, and leave early because the Clips are taking it to them. The energy in the building will be electric, especially with BD on the floor for the first time. Could we see a Clipper debut that rivals Sam Cassel’s in Seattle 3 years ago? I can only hope…

by Clip Show on Oct 29, 2008 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

I kind of miss the season starting w/ Portland or Seattle

by Qlippers on Oct 29, 2008 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Best opening act

I can remember was Lamar Odom’s career game in his debut.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 29, 2008 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Great Game Preview

Really good job Steve. Good read. I buzzed it up.

How bad do we miss Camby tonight? I’d feel a LOT better knowing that Camby was going to be there to alter Pau and Bynum’s shots. As it is, I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t worried about TT. I expect Skinner to get a lot of run tonight. We can’t let Pau go off like he did against the Blazers with several easy buckets.

The line is 9, which actually gives us more credit than I expected. Of course on paper, w/o our defensive presence, we shouldn’t win this game. That’s why Baron needs to be a game-changer. He needs to have the impact on this game that nobody has accounted for. Just like he did vs. the Mavs two playoffs ago. He needs to abuse Fisher and Farmar to the point where the Lakers are forced to put Kobe on him and double team him. That will free up all the other players and give us easier shots.

Good point about Thor. He really needs to take advantage of Rad’s complete inability to play D and go off early to force an adjustment.

This game is all about adjustments and it’s imperative that the Clips get out of the gate early and force the Lakers to adjust.

Having said all that, Clips by 6. BOOOOOM!

by madglove on Oct 29, 2008 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

So TT and Baron are playing for sure? And Camby is out?

by Qlippers on Oct 29, 2008 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

There's no for sure...

We won’t know for sure until MDsr puts the team on the floor. But all indications are that Baron and thomas are yes, Camby is no.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Oct 29, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Should Thomas start

The Clips do have some other options, with Camby out. I think KA at Clipperblog is wondering about starting Ricky Davis and putting AT at PF, but I think that’s very unlikely. We might see AT at PF once Odom is on the floor, but it doesn’t make any sense to do it before that, and I expect that MD will try to win the SF matchup.

But what about Skinner, Davis3, and even DJordan? Crazy old Zhiv would seriously consider starting Jordan against Bynum, letting Kaman play against Gasol, and then bringing Thomas off the bench when Odom comes in. That would be fun. It won’t happen. Either Skinner or Davis3 would be the more realistic choice.

But I think that MD and the Clips will go with what worked on Oct 9. With TThomas and BDavis getting in a couple of good practices and ready to go, this is pretty much the same game as far as they’re concerned. And Davis seems to enjoy playing with Thomas—Ramona says that Davis, Thomas, and Mobley have all bonded. Davis makes other players a lot better, and Thomas fits the mold of some one who might improve his game considerably playing with a guy like Baron. So why not.

by citizen zhiv on Oct 29, 2008 1:56 PM PDT reply actions  

It'll be Thomas

Unless MDsr’s still got concerns about the groin pull, it’s TT in the starting lineup. I think Thornton has to play the three for lots of reasons (some of which citizen MadGlove states below), but not least of which is the fact that 3 is his position. He had to play out of position last season – you have to let him be the small forward finally. That’s what he plays. Once he’s established there, he can play some 4 against some teams, against some guys (like LO maybe). But you have to let him be the starting SF before you start jerking him around. I think.

Jordan’s a rookie. I’m looking forward to seeing him get some minutes against Bynum, who is an interesting potential adversary for Jordan. But he won’t start on opening day.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Oct 29, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I expect TT as well

I expect TT to start for the reasons you stated. Plus, he would spread the floor and let Baron penetrate easier. I also expect to see a healthy dose of Skinner.

No way should Thor start at the 4. His production is always mediocre at the 4 and he would get eaten up by Pau. Jordan definitely hasn’t proven that he deserves PT. His play has been inconsistent, and to be fair, not very productive. We may need him anyway if Kaman gets into early foul trouble but I hope not.

by madglove on Oct 29, 2008 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Good Point on Foul Trouble

Don’t want that to happen, but you never know.

by citizen zhiv on Oct 29, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea...

Honestly, if Kaman doesn’t have a huge game, I think we’re toast.

As I’ve been saying over and over…it’s Baron and Kaman. They both need to have huge seasons.

by madglove on Oct 29, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kaman needs focus

CS brought up a point earlier that maybe Kaman didn’t play well in the preseason because he may need the extra focus of a real game that actually counts. This seems highly plausible, Kaman even said that he didn’t think anyone was going to actually try in the preseason. If anything if Kaman was over exerting himself in games he should be fresh tonight.

by bestclipfan on Oct 29, 2008 2:56 PM PDT reply actions  

kaman

probably think this game is meaningless too so hes not even trying.

by saintdee on Oct 29, 2008 9:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, speaking as a Blazer fan, this game makes last night's bitter pill a little more bearable...

……………………………. The Lakers are scary good.

"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex

by timbo on Oct 29, 2008 9:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah...

They’re pretty good.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Oct 29, 2008 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of Course

We just lost all heart late in the 2nd quarter and then completely in the 3rd. You could see Baron really almost give up in the 3rd. One of the worst losses I’ve ever seen considering the expectations.

by ghost_ride on Oct 29, 2008 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats

just how baron plays.

by saintdee on Oct 29, 2008 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow we didnt lose this bad last year

by andrewexd on Oct 29, 2008 10:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow, what happened?

Shell-shocked….a game with 12 minutes garbage time. There were truly a lot of silly turnovers, forced shots, overpassing, etc. Also, Kaman is as bad as ever offensively, back to committing silly turnovers and weak shots at the basket. The team looked disjointed, but i think they will come together…hopefully sooner rather than later.

I love LAC.

by oasisman on Oct 29, 2008 10:34 PM PDT reply actions  

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