Lakers 522 - Clippers 4
Los Angeles Lakers @ Los Angeles Clippers
So, it turns out, that's not the actual final score. See, I don't know the actual final score. The game's still going on, but the Clipper Widow is watching the Dancing With the Stars elmination show from last night on the TiVo and I'm enjoying that MUCH more than the game.
Citizen ghost_ride commented earlier today that he thought a 10 point loss would be a moral victory, and citizen MadGlove pointed out that there are no moral victories. There are, however, moral defeats, as we saw tonight.
Seriously, it's just one game, and it doesn't matter whether you lose by 1 or 40 at the end of the season. And the simple fact of the matter is that the Lakers are very, very good, and the Clippers were unlikely to beat them tonight, playing essentially their first game together. So look at it this way - we only have to play those guys three more times.
But there was very little to like about this game from a Clippers point of view. Baron had a few nice moments in the first quarter. Oh, and Steve Novak can shoot. And that's it. That's all I got.
Here's what was not good:
- Mr. Flippy. That game from Kaman scared the crap out of me. Because while we still spoke of Mr. Flippy last season, as it happens, he NEVER played that poorly all year. Not once. His worst game statistically (other than the Dallas game where he only played 12 minutes) was 10 points and 5 rebounds against the Sixers on March 3. So, yeah, we talked about the occasional Mr. Flippy sighting last year, but in fact he was pretty consistent in 07-08. Tonight was vintage 06-07 Kaman. Indecisive and ineffective. 8 points and 5 rebounds in 30 minutes, on 3 for 9 shooting and 4 turnovers. He got stuffed by Bynum on his first touch of the game, missed a layup, lost the ball several times, and basically did nothing positive for the team.
- The second unit. Somehow - either because Mitch Kupchak is a genius, or Phil Jackson is a genius, or maybe Jerry Buss has a pact with the Devil - whatever the reason, the Lakers have a second unit that is better than most team's starters. So many teams' backups are going to look bad by comparison. The Clippers' starters, led by Baron, hung around for the first quarter. But with the score 33-32 Clippers, and Jason Hart, Steve Novak, Brian Skinner, Ricky Davis and Tim Thomas on the floor, the Lakers went on a 17-0 run and it was all over. And watching that unit try to run a coherent set was painful. Just brutal.
- Rebounding. Obviously a healthy Marcus Camby should help here. But the Clippers, expected to be among the best rebounding teams in the league this season, were outrebounded in this game 51-32. Kaman got 5 boards and Thornton got 3. It was remarkably bad, and it would have been much worse without Tim Thomas, which tells you just how bad it was.
I could go on and on, but what's the point? It's early, the team didn't get a chance to play together in pre-season, there are going to be some rough patches early, even in the best case scenario. But win by a point in Denver and you're 1-1, despite the -37 in points for/points against.
By the way, how good are the Lakers? Well, they just beat the Clippers by 38, and that was with Gasol (13 points) and Bryant (16) being minor factors. In fact, take out Gasol's 3 for 10 and Kobe's 5 for 12, and the rest of the Lakers were 36 for 58 with 10 threes. That's a 62% shooting percentage, and a 71% effective shooting percentage.
Oh, and Cloris Leachman has FINALLY been eliminated on DWTS. So I got some good news during the game.
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Terrible, I was at the game. Kaman was horrible, he didn’t recognize the hard double team. We couldn’t hit a jump shot. Only good thing was Novak is a good shooter, B. Davis is the best clipper PG ever and Baron showed his leadership w/ a post game scolding to get the team focused
by Qlippers on
Oct 29, 2008 11:08 PM PDT
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Full mr. Flippy sighting tonight...
I Tivo’d it but decided to deleted after listening to the 3rd and 4th qrt on the radio…who wants to relive that!
According to the post game report, BD called an unofficial players only meeting and had some tough words for the team…Probably felt embarrassed to get blown out like dad in front of Grams!
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on
Oct 29, 2008 11:17 PM PDT
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Awesome
I’m really glad to hear about Baron’s post game theatrics. We’re obviously gonna lean on him heavily this year, and if he doesn’t pump up everyone else around him no one else is going to.
by ghost_ride on
Oct 29, 2008 11:43 PM PDT
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sorry to sound a little new
but who’s mr flippy?
Matt Kemp for president.
Clayton Kershaw for vice.
Adrian Wilson for secretary of defense.
by wongy on
Oct 29, 2008 11:53 PM PDT
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No problem...
I used to have a glossary for stuff like that, but I’ve gotten a little lazy.
Mr. Flippy is what we call the bad version of Chris Kaman. When he just flips the ball at the basket (missing layups like he did last night) instead of finishing strong.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on
Oct 30, 2008 8:37 AM PDT
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At the game tonight...
and I might as well have been at a Lakers home game. I mean, I have been to my fair share of Clips v. Fakers matchups (at least 14 or so), and for some reason it seemed like tonight the crowd was 80-20 pro-faker. And that was just the beginning….
I liked how the Clips came back in that first quarter and didn’t let the Fakers run away. The rest of the game was abysmal. Thorton was non-existent, and Kaman reverted to his old ways. TT was huge in that first quarter. Too bad he had nothing left in the tank for the rest of the game.
All in all, I think the Clips will be ok once Camby comes back and they play 4 to 8 games with the real first and second units. No panic yet, it’s only the first game. But a few more blowouts like this, and I won’t be too happy.
by Clip Show on
Oct 29, 2008 11:23 PM PDT
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Did everyone notice the 2nd units Skinner and Hart 2 man game? I knew the game was lost when those two are running offensive sets.
When is Camby coming back? Hopefully friday?
I was at the game too, but it always seems pro laker when the lakers are winning. On a side note, Laker fans were a lil’ mad because I wearing my Celtic jersey to the game.
Give it time, we will be okay
by Qlippers on
Oct 29, 2008 11:30 PM PDT
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we better win against denver on friday night. with or without camby Melo is out and this is pretty much our only real good chance of winning for a good 5 games to come. not to be pessimist but we have the jazz twice then the lakers then houston and dallas. at least deron williams might be out.
by andrewexd on
Oct 29, 2008 11:32 PM PDT
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eric gordon should play more.
Matt Kemp for president.
Clayton Kershaw for vice.
Adrian Wilson for secretary of defense.
by wongy on
Oct 29, 2008 11:49 PM PDT
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Loved, Liked, Didn't Like, Scared by
Loved:
-Thomas’ first 7 points, without which we might have lost by 50.
-Baron’s first quarter. Once he gets back to 100%, we’ll get a much more prolonged effect.
Liked:
Novak nailing some threes…he was the only guy with a positive +/-
Camby’s little interview in the 3rd quarter.
Didn’t Like:
-Thornton tonight, even though he was our high scorer and his stats look ok. I don’t like him with the ball in his hands, I like him finishing around the basket and taking open shots much better.
-Our Bench
-Jason Hart…I’ll be happy when he’s finally 3rd string
-Tim Thomas after those first 7 points
-DeAndre’s DNP-CD
Scared by:
-Kaman 0.5
-Our 2nd and 3rd scoring options/ inside game.
-Our team w/out Baron on the floor
by ghost_ride on
Oct 30, 2008 12:00 AM PDT
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DeAndre
It’s worse than that… he was on the inactive list. MDsr had better send him to Anaheim a let him get some burn in the D-League if he’s going to be inactive WHEN CAMBY IS HURT! If he doesn’t suit up in that game, when does he suit up?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on
Oct 30, 2008 8:40 AM PDT
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Crap
And he was further along than Dunleavy expected?
by ghost_ride on
Oct 30, 2008 8:53 AM PDT
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Tells you something
Tells you MDsr was suspecting the worst. He’s only 20. We can afford to be patient.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on
Oct 30, 2008 10:55 AM PDT
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Embarrassing
I was at the game too and it was easily one of the most embarrassing moments of my life as a Clippers fan…and that’s REALLY saying something with this team.
Pathetic…just pathetic. Tonight showed how bad our second unit really is. Once Baron left the game, the team was lost and had no idea what to do.
What did I say about Kaman? If he has a poor game, we have no chance. We NEED Kaman to step up.
I’m hoping this is a serious wake up call for this team and they use it as motivation the rest of the year. I’d love to see this bring the team together.
by madglove on
Oct 30, 2008 12:01 AM PDT
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Blazer fan here...
We took a shalacking from the L*kers last night as well, don’t feel bad. They made our team look like the jv3 girls against the varsity boys. The fact of the matter is, and it pains so much to say it, the L*kers are good. Really good. Only true contenders should feel bad about a whooping in lala land. For both of our teams, its 1 game in the books, 81 to go. No need for either team to panic…. yet. Hey, at least you didn’t lose your “franchise saving” center 13 minutes into his first game, and after he sat out his entire rookie season no less. The sky isn’t falling in portland and it shouldn’t be falling in clipper country either. Camby wasn’t even out there, and it sounds like he should be back soon. Here is an idea, lets race to see who can get their starting center back, winner gets a cookie(limit of one per blogger)….
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on
Oct 30, 2008 12:33 AM PDT
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Yeap, no need to panic. For nine guys who haven’t played with each other this preseason, this loss was not surprising. Hell, the Blazers had a couple of new guys but still had a core of players from last year and got killed too.
You owe me a cookie, I’m betting camby gets back before oden.
by Qlippers on
Oct 30, 2008 7:49 AM PDT
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Yeah thanks for
the comment. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Fakers get 65 wins this year and. Hopefully we will stand a better chance after a couple weeks of practice and our whole team together.
How bad is Oden’s injury ?
by bestclipfan on
Oct 30, 2008 7:16 PM PDT
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Ricky Davis was ok
Never ever seen him pass so much in my life…he had 6 assists! I expected him to try and score more, but it seemed like he was almost afraid of shooting the ball. It’s only one game…Denver should be a more pleasant game, as we can see if the Clips can sustain more than a few minutes of uptempo ball.
After all the TT bashing during the offseason, its good to see him non-injured and interested again. He’s a versatile dude.
I love LAC.
by oasisman on
Oct 30, 2008 12:54 AM PDT
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watching that game made me sick.
first off i have to say the lakers are ridiculously good.
My friend who claims to be a laker AND clipper fans so that he always wins, was IMing me from the game via his tmobile G1.
And well I could have been at the game had I made the choice to drive down from the bay area (I didn’t fearing something horrible like this would make my 5 hours of driving feel even more terrible).
That said, tim thomas looked like he actually cared and Baron davis at least for a while made it interesting. I personally hate these laked- clipper games because its always basically a road game. The clippers basically only have 39 home games a year.
Overall the team was terrible especially the 2nd unit. Kaman needs some new drugs. And I’m really thinking that we could have used jason williams out there instead of hart. I’m almost ready for mike taylor as the 2nd stringer even though watching him play he seemed rather erratic (Though on the box score he had 0 turnovers). Eric gordon also seeme dto be really annoyed by sasha vujacic . He’ll need to learn how to get away from those annoying types and I’m sure he will.
Also on a side note, since I’m in warrior country watching the warriors game (after the clippers were down 30 I wathced the end of the warriors-hornet) towards the end maggette was basically their go to guy, just have him run into the paint draw a foul. They actually were up with about 28 seconds left and then chris paul basically killed them on an iso. I’m still surprised it was even close. The warriors dont even have a point guard. They basically played 3 SGs the entire game and managed to go toe to toe with the hornets.
I really hope the clippers pull it together and are at least compeittive. I mean if the warriors with no pg at all can be competitive the clippers better be able to. The lakers though did play particularly well. I dont think they can possibly continue shooting 70% from the 3 among other things.
by hans007 on
Oct 30, 2008 1:45 AM PDT
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Saw that in GSW boxscore
So now we know in part why GSW matched on Azubuike: he’s their new PG, at least until Ellis comes back. Kind of brilliant, actually—Don Nelson is just awesome. It’s always great to see the “put your best 5 players on the floor” theory in practice.
Maggs gets 27 points in a loss.
by citizen zhiv on
Oct 30, 2008 10:04 AM PDT
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it was interesting to see how many blocked shots Kaman missed...
Kaman would leave his man and go for the block… but he wouldn’t jump high enough and the ball whizzed right past, and if the shot was missed, he was in no position to get the rebound. You cannot do that when you’re the only rebounding force on the game. our guards and wings have to do a better job on defense when when kaman or camby are out.
by cantthinkofagoodname on
Oct 30, 2008 7:56 AM PDT
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have to totally agree with you. I thought most of their points were scored on the perimeter. When ever Kaman went for a block, his man would get the Offensive rebound.
by Qlippers on
Oct 30, 2008 8:47 AM PDT
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Pickup team vs. real team
This game really looked like a pickup team with no idea where anyone was supposed to be vs. a well coached ball club. The only reason we were tied after the 1st was the 4 possesions in a row with good defense leading to baskets. I was expecting a different team, due to all the new players, but still some commitment to defense.
A few other notes from watching before the 4th quarter, which was my breaking point:
-No one knew how to play with B.Davis except Thornton. Thornton’s best points all came from slashing to the basket and converting without dribbling the ball.
-Our perimiter defense was horrible. Fisher was open every time he worked off of a screen. All of our rotations were very sloppy.
-I didn’t see one pick and roll. Not one. In fact it looked like everyone was runnning away from the picks, leaving them trapped in a corner with two defenders.
-We’re going to have a hard time keeping Kaman active if no one passes him the ball when he has his man sealed off. Not only that but it puts him in horrible rebounding position. The worst offender was Thornton, who several times had the ball in the corner with an easy pass to Kaman for a post shot, and instead he ran at his defender for a contested 15 footer. If Kaman doesn’t get that ball, then he’s going start doing the “drive from 3 point line and flip it up move” that drives us all insane.
-Right now there is no conception of who our second and third scoring options are. It looks like a fight between Thornton and Kaman, and it should be Kaman, but the center can’t score without the ball.
-That lineup we came out with in the second quarter screamed disaster. There were 0 scoring options and all the shooters were outside ones. The Lakers crowded the 3 point line and all of a sudden they went on a 17 point run. That lineup needs Taylor and/or Gordon for some ability to score off the dribble or penetrate the press.
On a posive note I really enjoyed Baron’s energy and leadership while he was on the floor. Personally, I’m going to try and forget this game even happened and judge us against Denver.
by HeardYouLooking on
Oct 30, 2008 8:56 AM PDT
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Right
Good points, especially on Thornton. He’s a guy you can count on to get his share of easy baskets just as a function of playing with BD. He gets into trouble when he drives into the defense and forces his shot, and while he’s good enough to make it once in a while, it’s a low percentage play, especially when you factor in the higher chance of turning the ball over and losing momentum.
I’ve been thinking this all off-season, he’s gonna have to change from being the team’s only scoring option on a lousy team(forcing shots), to learning a new, more effective role and making better decisions.
Also, I think Ricky Davis knows how to play w/ Baron a lot better than Mobley. He was almost non-existent in the 1st quarter. If you ask me, Mobley should be the leader of the 2nd unit, since we don’t have a PG to lead it. Probably wont happen though. I understand having Mobley in there for his defense, but offense is my main concern with this team right now. The Lakers out rebounded us by the margin they did because we missed all of our shots (leading to more defensive rebounding opps), and since their shots were falling, we didn’t have much opportunity. Camby will make a big difference there as well, and hopefully Kaman can do a better job holding on to the ball.
by ghost_ride on
Oct 30, 2008 10:58 AM PDT
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Kaman looked so bad...
He let Chris Mihm score 10 points on him in like 8 minutes.
by BtheKUTA on
Oct 30, 2008 9:28 AM PDT
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I don't remember much of last night...
As the game started to pull further and further away I started to drink more and more. I do remember sitting next to an assistant coach’s ex-wife, her son, and her sister (hot).
From what I remember:
It reminded me that LA fans are horrible. No one cheered in my section but me…
I was frustrated with Kaman
I wanted Hart out of the game.
BD did not impress me last night.
by Newtybar on
Oct 30, 2008 9:40 AM PDT
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Lots of pain behind those eyes...
This game was fine: the Clips were playing a preseason game, while the Lakers were a stacked team that has had a month of fine tuning.
So I think we just have to take the first quarter as our moral victory, and move on from there.
I have a couple of notes that haven’t been discussed yet.
When Jason Hart came in—back when the game was still competitive—my thought was that he has one job, and he should be good at it: stop Jordan Farmar. Play tough D on him. If Hart can’t do that, he doesn’t have much of a value, although he might make fewer turnovers than Taylor.
Dunleavy didn’t win any coaching prizes last night. It seems like Phil suckered him into leaving the reserves in for too long in the 2nd quarter: gigantic advantage Lakers. And MD should know that when Tim Thomas is a big catalyst in the first quarter (pleasant surprise), and then he sits with foul trouble, the chance that he’s going to carry your second unit in the 2nd quarter, without BDavis on the floor, isn’t too good. He’s going to need help. Where was Eric Gordon? You don’t have Camby, but why wait on playing Paul Davis—too much Brian Skinner. The 17 straight points, or whatever it was, was the real killer in this game. The Thomas foul trouble busted up the rotation, which was already stressed by Camby’s absence. At the very least Kaman should have come back much earlier. MD did a decent job of getting Novak out there—when the Clips were already down by 20—but Gordon should have played a lot more minutes.
BDavis showed in the first quarter that the Clips can compete and he even got Tim Thomas fired up. My guess is that after the game he began to voice his displeasure with Kaman, number one, along with some other guys. Nobody likes going to the bench fired up, with a 1 point lead, and then coming back on the court with the deficit of 13 and a ton of momentum on the other side. He was embarassed as the leader of the team, but the loss makes some sense, given all the factors. Lots of work to do.
Moving on, Utah (without Williams) beat Denver. Not sure what that means for the next 3 games.
by citizen zhiv on
Oct 30, 2008 10:23 AM PDT
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completely agree
I thought Dunleavy did a terrible job. When the Lakers started to pull away early in the 3rd, that’s when you have to put in guys like Gordon and Taylor. At least give the team a chance. A team featuring Jason Hart and Brian Skinner can’t score 16 points in a quarter, much less make up a 16 point difference.
And I understanding limiting Baron to 28 minutes, but you can’t leave him out for huge stretches of time like Dunleavy did. Otherwise, we have absolutely no chance of winning.
by BtheKUTA on
Oct 30, 2008 10:29 AM PDT
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I totally agree, you can’t keep BD out. However, I don’t know how healthy BD was for the game. But really, Skinner and Hart two man game. It pains me to say this but wouldn’t a Ricky Davis and TT two man game would have been better.
by Qlippers on
Oct 30, 2008 10:44 AM PDT
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Agree on Dunleavy
I guess we can all play armchair quarterbacks, but seriously what was Dunleavy thinking. At least give us a glimpse of the master plan if it is going to lead us into a 38 point loss please.
I’m not sure that EG and Taylor in the 3rd would be a good idea though. I think MDsr was thinking…please just let the second unit hold on defensively and not let the lead stretch too far.
EG needs to be in the rotation with BD to get good looks.
MT needs to be in the rotation with Kaman and Al Thornton.
I don’t think this club can do a pure 1st unit, 2nd unit rotation right now. It needs to be blended.
by Newtybar on
Oct 30, 2008 10:44 AM PDT
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Everyone looked hesitant on shooting the ball even Ricky. And ricky doesn’t turn down anything
by Qlippers on
Oct 30, 2008 10:52 AM PDT
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DeAndre Jordan
Does anyone know the situation with the DNP-CD? I’m in agreement…if you aren’t going to give him play time, send him to the DLeague.
by Newtybar on
Oct 30, 2008 10:23 AM PDT
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Jordan
was on the inactive list from what I saw before the game, meaning he didn’t even suit up. I think that is what happened.
by Clip Show on
Oct 30, 2008 10:43 AM PDT
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why though?
That’s what I am wondering…is he hurt?
by Newtybar on
Oct 30, 2008 10:45 AM PDT
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I think its a pure numbers thing...
you can only have so many guys dressed for a game. Looks like MDsr picked PDavis, Skinner and Novak instead of Jordan. Who knows really though.
by Clip Show on
Oct 30, 2008 10:46 AM PDT
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Not hurt...
14 players on the roster, 12 can be active. Camby is 1. MDsr picked Jordan for the other, meaning he wanted Davis3 and Novak in uniform over Jordan.
That’s fine. The guy is 20, we can be patient. And the D-League season doesn’t start for a month. So practicing with the Clippers is the only option if Coach believes he’s the 14th man. But he needs to play for the Arsenal once the D-League gets going.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on
Oct 30, 2008 10:54 AM PDT
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Put That Way...
It’s pretty obvious Novak needs to be active. He’s one of the few serious threats right now for the 2nd unit. So Dunleavy’s forced to choose between Skinner, Paul Davis, and DeAndre. Of course he’s gonna go with the vets, though I would have loved to have seen Jordan over both of those guys.
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Oct 30, 2008 11:02 AM PDT
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Thanks you’re right, for some reason I am not thinking clearly. I would rather have Novak & Davis3 at this point than DJordan.
by Newtybar on
Oct 30, 2008 11:20 AM PDT
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DeAndre
Well if these 418 points blowout losses keep stacking up in the next few games, I would rather see DeAndre Jordan in there. I mean, how much harm can he do? Let him learn on the job and even if we lose by 789 points instead of 418, it would at least be entertaining. Watching Kaman play against the Lakers scrub and getting repeatedly dunked on by Mihm and Powell was not entertaining. We had talked about Kaman being close to All-Star caliber during the first half of last year…well after this first game and the preseason, it looks like he’s alot closer to retirement.
by MichaelCage on
Oct 30, 2008 11:19 PM PDT
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Did anyone notice
Baron fiddling with the tape on his bad finger in the second half? Looked to me like he was still getting used to having his fingers taped together. At one point, I think he got hit on that hand, and looked as if he was in pain.
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Oct 30, 2008 10:45 AM PDT
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