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Clippers vs. Nuggets - Game Preview and Open Thread

Denver @ Los Angeles Clippers


LA Clippers logo
vs.
Nuggets logo
0-1 0-1
Staples Center
October 31, 2008 - 7:30 PM
TV: Prime Ticket
Probable starters:
Baron Davis
PG Anthony Carter
Cuttino Mobley
SG Allen Iverson
Al Thornton SF Linas Kleiza
Tim Thomas
PF Kenyon Martin
Chris Kaman
C Nene

The Big Picture:

The Clippers play their first seven games this season against Western Conference opponents who won 50 games last year.  Not exactly the best way to start the season when you're still getting to know each other.  They did catch at least one break though.  The Nuggets will be playing without Carmelo Anthony tonight as he finishing up his two game suspension resulting from last April's DUI.  That, coupled with the fact that the Nuggets are one of the few Western Conference teams that appears to have gotten weaker, at least on paper, makes this one of the most winnable games of the first couple of weeks.  Again - that's on paper.  If they don't win this game, it becomes a distinct possibiilty that Baron Davis could open the season 0-7 for the second year in a row.  Coming off a 38 point thrashing at the hands of the Lakers followed by a tongue-lashing from Baron in a closed-door meeting, hopefully the Clippers will at least be motivated for this game.  Unfortunately, it's highly unlikely that Marcus Camby will play against his former mates, eliminating a little extra motivation.

The Antagonist:

The Nuggets went into the playoffs last April with 50 wins and five guys making between from $9M to $22M annually.  They came out of the playoffs the way they always do - first round losers in embarrassing fashion.  Owner Stan Kroenke, after paying his $10M+ luxury tax bill, decided he could probably lose in the first round of the playoffs for less money, ordered significant cuts this summer.  Which is why Marcus Camby is a Clipper.  The Nuggets also got rid of 'glue guy' Edjuardo Najera.  And they replaced them with the likes of Chris Andersen, Steven Hunter, Dahntay Jones and Juwan Howard (who stubbornly refuses to join the other members of the Fab Five in retirement).  All of those guys are making the NBA minimum.  The only thing the Nuggets spent money this off-season was re-signing JR Smith, who hasn't even proven he can stay out of George Karl's doghouse.  Still, there's a lot to work with in the starting lineup.  Allen Iverson remains one of the most electric players in the league, and Nene has the skills and the size to be a solid NBA big if he can stay healthy.  Kenyon Martin was an all star at one time (in the East, when he had knees, but still) and Anthony is a cornerstone of USA Basketball.  Don't rule the Nuggets out of the playoff chase - there's a ton of talent there.

The Subplots

  • Will Camby Play?  Don't count on it.  Although Marcus did go through his first full contact practice in forever on Thursday, MDsr called it highly unlikely he would play, and everyone seems to be pointing to the Monday night home game against Utah.  Still, one wonders if he'll be motivated enough by the presence of his old mates to lace 'em up tonight.  Maybe a 'Willis Reed' style limping entrance?  I guess it's a little early in the season for those theatrics.
  • Matchups.  Always an interesting subject.  Iverson officially plays the two for the Nuggets, but he's a very tough cover for Mobley, who doesn't really have the lateral quickness to stay in front of him (who does?)  So look for MDsr to stick Baron on AI and leave Cat on Anthony Carter. 
  • Al Thornton.  After a mediocre debut against the Lakers, Al gets a chance to redeem himself in a favorable matchup tonight against Carmelo's backup, Linus Kleiza.  Don't underestimate Kleiza - he scored 40 in a game last season.  But Al has to win this matchup for the Clippers to win this game.  In fact, he really needs to dominate it.
  • Dr. 2.0 and Mr. Flippy.  Stupid Mr. Flippy.
  • Fugazi you.  Every time I see Kenyon Martin, I think about the time years ago when the Knicks and Nets faced each other in the playoffs and Thomas called Martin a fugazi - a fake tough guy.  They're likely to be starting opposite each other tonight.
  • Run, run, run.  The Nuggets played at the league's fastest pace last season.  The Clippers have never been a running team, but say that they will run more this season with Baron Davis.  And let's face it - the ONLY time they looked good Wednesday was when they were getting into the open court.  Thornton had a very poor game, but got some easy buckets filling the lane and taking passes from Baron.  One school of thought would say that you don't want to get into a shootout with the Nuggets, but I say you have to push the tempo on offense, AND make sure to get back in transition on the other end.
  • The second units.  If you make it out to Staples tonight, midway through the second quarter might be a good time to go and get a slice of pizza and a beer.  Because all you'll be missing is Jason Hart battling Chucky Atkins, in what is, quite frankly, the marquee matchup of the second units for these two teams.  The Clippers reserves were blown out of the building by the Lakers on Wednesday.  Perhaps they can actually hold the fort against the likes of Atkins, Anderson, Balkman, etc. 

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I feel that in order for the Clippers to have success, they need to hit a high percentage of their three point shots. All the games they won in the pre season , if you look at the stats, they shot well and averaged 103 ppg.

by Petey Pablo on Oct 31, 2008 3:35 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What do u mean we aren’t advertising the Atkins vs. Hart matchup? Key is rebounding, will we get eaten alive like the preseason game?

by Qlippers on Oct 31, 2008 4:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unfortunately...

The Clippers proved last season continually just how bad a rebounding team they were with Tim Thomas at the four. If Camby doesn’t play, it could be bad again. Obviously Kaman has to get more than five.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Oct 31, 2008 4:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two Keys

I’ll be watching for two things:

1) Whether the team as a whole responds to Baron’s team meeting and they come out with some fire and pride. They should be itching to get back out there and get revenge for that embarrassment.

2) Whether Kaman still plays like Mr. Freaking Flippy. If he doesn’t have a big game tonight, I’ll be VERY worried.

by madglove on Oct 31, 2008 4:46 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Last Year; Camby vs. Camby

Just made a quick run through the box scores from last year’s games. Primary goal was to see Kaman’s efforts—is there anything to indicate that he might fare well against Denver and break out of his slump.

It would seem that the Clips should be in okay shape. With Melo out, the Nugs have taken a couple of very significant pieces off the table, while the Clips are adding things.

Kind of a keen memory for last year’s first Denver game—that was the last gasp of Clipper function, as they (literally) gutted out a win, playing their star of the first week, Cat Mobley, when he should have been recovering from a groin pull or abdominal strain or whatever it was.

Kaman was fairly huge, getting 17 points and 21 rebounds. And it was probably the best game against noted Clipper killer—ahem—Marcus Camby, who still checked in with 18 points and 18 rebounds, not too shabby.

Camby was quieter in game 2, a 123-107 Nugget victory, going 6-12, while Kaman put up 16 and 9. Carmelo’s totals for the 4 games: 24 in the first, then 24 again, then 30 and finally 36 on 13-17 from the floor.

Kaman didn’t play in games 3 and 4. Both were Denver victories: 110-104 in #3, and 117-99 in #4. EB appeared in game 4, getting 17 pts and 5 rebounds.

Camby returned to Clipkiller status in games 3 and 4, getting 12 pts and 17 rebs in #3, and 13 pts and 18 rebs in #4.

Not having to go up against Camby in a Nuggets uniform tonight will be very good. No Carmelo will be even better. Getting Camby into a Clipper uniform very soon will be very sweet.

Also worth noting that Al Thornton had 33 pts and 12 rebs coming off the bench in the 3rd game.

Suppose that one could go and look at how Baron Davis did against the Nuggets last year… And I’ll also say that it’s helpful for these comparison purposes that Brand was out last season.

Have to hope at this point that part of Kaman’s problem was going against Bynum and Gasol—and with that pair unconcerned about Camby. Kaman was sloppy, and became a little tentative, and then he disappeared after it was out of reach. But Bynum has that length and, with no momentum or confidence or Camby behind Chris, Bynum was able to make some plays. The other Kaman (2.0, confident, energized) played very well against the tough MCamby last year, and grabbed 21 boards in the first outing—and he won’t be encountering that kind of resistance tonight. Should be a good opportunity to get untracked.

by citizen zhiv on Oct 31, 2008 5:11 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BD vs. Denver

1: 29/13 ast
2: 28/8 ast
3: 28/7 ast
4: 20/11 ast/10 rebs (3rd triple double of season)

Denver won game 1 124-120, and AI had 39 points. Camby had 15pts/16rebs.
GSW won #2 105-95, the next night. AI 2-12, 13 pts. MC 2-9, 8pts/15 rebs.
Den wins #3 119-112. AI 4-20, 14 pts. Melo 25 pts, KMart 30 pts, MC 2pts/12 rebs/6asts

Den wins all-important game #4, with playoff spot at stake, 114-105. AI has 33 pts, 12-21. Melo 25, 12-20. Camby is quiet, 2-7 6pts/9 rebs. In BD’s triple double he’s 9-25. GSW beats the Clips in their next game, then BD is 2-13 in 17 1st half minutes against Phoenix, Nelson benches him in 2nd half and GSW wins 48 games but doesn’t go to playoffs.

Good thing that Melo isn’t playing tonight.

by citizen zhiv on Oct 31, 2008 5:39 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SICK Dunk

Thor just brought down the THUNDER baby!

by Redmosa on Oct 31, 2008 8:01 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey Guys

Anyone on live watching the game right now?

by Golden Boy on Oct 31, 2008 8:06 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I miss that

We are definitely feeling the loss of Baron over here in the bay.

by Golden Boy on Oct 31, 2008 8:09 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hm...

Davis out with a bruised tailbone, but it looks like AT is doing great. Amazing feed to T2.

by Redmosa on Oct 31, 2008 8:44 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Redmosa

I turned it because BD is out, but is he out the rest of the game?

by Golden Boy on Oct 31, 2008 8:56 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone know his status?

by Qlippers on Oct 31, 2008 9:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope I’m wrong, but without a floor leader, it’s looking like losing time!

by saxmanager on Oct 31, 2008 9:46 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great clutch shooting in the 4th! Are you sure we still don’t have Maggs?

by saxmanager on Oct 31, 2008 9:52 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so much for that 18 point lead!

by saxmanager on Oct 31, 2008 9:58 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its tough with no Baron

there is a steep dropoff between baron and hart/ taylor. Without Baron, they are just a half court team like last year. 45 sec left, let’s see if they can man up.

I love LAC.

by oasisman on Oct 31, 2008 10:01 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

16 sec left....

Uh oh….only up by two…with denver launch a 3?

I love LAC.

by oasisman on Oct 31, 2008 10:02 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i dont know why Thornton cant get the ball against Carter

by Qlippers on Oct 31, 2008 10:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thomas is everything they say he is and less!

by saxmanager on Oct 31, 2008 10:11 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

kaman is overpaid. inferior product.

by saintdee on Oct 31, 2008 10:13 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stop feeding him when he’s struggling, go to Thorton

by Qlippers on Oct 31, 2008 10:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All is very good, but he can’t do it by himself. Especially with certain knuckle heads working against him.

by saxmanager on Oct 31, 2008 10:14 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we’ve got a long way to go!

by saxmanager on Oct 31, 2008 10:16 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its

over when kenyon martin makes a 3

by saintdee on Oct 31, 2008 10:17 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clips are lost without Baron

wow, what a game…once he went down with a thud…worry time.

I love LAC.

by oasisman on Oct 31, 2008 10:18 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sucks...lose a 18 pt lead...

if getting blown out wasn’t bad enough for the team chemistry…

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Oct 31, 2008 10:19 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, we know how bad...

…they were last year. They are at least that bad without Baron AND Camby

by saxmanager on Oct 31, 2008 10:21 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea

but denver didnt have carmelo

by saintdee on Oct 31, 2008 10:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

at kaman’s airball

by saintdee on Oct 31, 2008 10:24 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's with these guys,,,,

Kaman 4-15, Cat 5-18, Hart 1-5, R. Davis 0-4. What a bunch of losers!

by saxmanager on Oct 31, 2008 10:30 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It looks like another long...

….Clipperesque season. Lots of injuries, blown leads, blowouts. Maybe they’ll get it together by March, or even February.

by saxmanager on Oct 31, 2008 10:35 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This game was the winnable game

Now, I see us going 0-7. Only other winnable game is Sacramento

by Qlippers on Oct 31, 2008 10:40 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where the F*ck is Gordon?

Seriously Mobley is ready for the glue factory. We’re shooting less than 30% in the second half and we didn’t hit a field goal for 7 minutes in the 4th quarter. Yet Dunleavy stuck with the same line up of: Hart, Mobley, TT, Thornton and Kaman and Thornton barely touched the ball during that drought. Will we be 0-41 before Dunleavy loses both his coaching and GM job?

In regulation when we had a foul to give with 16 seconds left, nobody fouled until Kleizas was in the act of shooting…didn’t the coaching staff inform the players of that? This loss is on Dunleavy.

by MichaelCage on Oct 31, 2008 10:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From the pest...

http://www.insidesocal.com/clippers/

Baron Davis questionable to return
By Ramona Shelburne on October 31, 2008 8:29 PM | Permalink | Comments (0) | ShareThis

Baron Davis was to the locker room with a bruised tailbone after falling very hard on his tailbone midway through the second quarter and is questionable to return.

He was able to get up and walk off under his own power, but came out of the game while Denver guard Dahntay Jones was shooting free throws and headed straight to the locker room.

Davis was called for a foul on the play. He was undercut while in the air and fell directly on his tailbone. He did not brace himself with either hand, presumably because he’s still nursing a partially torn ligament in his left ring finger.

UPDATE: Davis’ injury is now being termed a sore left hip instead of a bruised tailbone.

Another update on her log says he will not travel to Utah…Props to Ramona for the timely reporting. I think we pull it out tomorrow…

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Oct 31, 2008 11:08 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Play Novak and Gordon more!

There is no possible way on earth the Clippers can play worse defense so lets put an offensive minded troop on the floor and try to score more. Denver scored at will and we had our best defensive unit out there, Terrible coaching so far. Not one single pick and roll all game. When will this jackass realize his entire team is made up of low IQ individuals (especially Kaman). Lets go back to basics and run simple plays. More Gordon and more Novak – from what I have seen of these two, they love to shoot and it seems like nobody wants to shoot on this team. Also, lets move Kaman to the bench for a while till he gets his confidence back. P Davis played much better and played with an infinite amount of energy. Kaman looked like he was half asleep all game. Hang your heads low tonight guys we just lost a gimme.

by citizen bob on Oct 31, 2008 11:30 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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