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Baylor Out, Dunleavy In as Clippers GM

To say that this was a long time coming doesn't really do it justice.  Elgin Baylor had been the Vice President of Basketball Operations (essentially the general manager) of the Clippers for 22 years, longer than anyone else in the league - the second longest current tenure is 13 years for Kevin McHale and Geoff Petrie; no one else has been with their team more than 9 seasons.  The year Baylor first took the job, Magic Johnson was the league's MVP.  He's been around a long time.  Unnaturally long.  Too long.

But in typical Clipper fashion, they appear to have screwed up his departure.  The timeline from Tuesday looks something like this:

  • Art Thompson III, apparently given enough leash by the OCR to sniff out a story not colored purple and gold, gets suspicious when Baylor's bio is nowhere to be found in the Clippers' preseason media guide.  He asks Clipper reps, who give him the run around, and then he calls his old pal Elgin who tells him "There’s a dispute going on.  My attorney advised me not to discuss it."  AT3 posts this at 12:36 PM.
  • Lisa Dillman of the Times and Ramona Shelburne of the Daily News start following up.  They talk to Dunleavy and coach tells them "the team came to me recently, just in the last couple of days and said that Elgin was retiring and they wanted me to take on the responsibilities as general manager."  Dillman posted on the LAT's Fabulous Forum blog at 3:30 PM and had a brief story up on the Times' site at 4:18 PM.  Shelburne had her blog post up at 4:07 PM.
  • All of this apparently took the Clippers completely by surprise.  The story was out there - Baylor was out, Dunleavy was in - and it seemed acrimonious.  The coach had confirmed that he'd be taking over the GM duties, but in fact there was still no official word from the organization.  So a press release went out at 4:19 PM.  Better late than never, I guess.

For what it's worth, here's the official word from Clipper town:

The Los Angeles Clippers today announced that Head Coach Mike Dunleavy will assume the additional role of General Manager, replacing Vice President of Basketball Operations, Elgin Baylor.

In a related move, the team’s current Director of Player Personnel, Neil Olshey, will be elevated to the post of Assistant General Manager.

"We greatly appreciate Elgin’s efforts during his time with the Clippers, and we wish him the very best," said Clippers’ Owner and Chairman of the Board Donald T. Sterling.

Referring to Dunleavy and Olshey respectively, Clippers President Andy Roeser said, "In Mike and Neil, we're fortunate to already have talented people in place to make this transition a seamless one. Going forward, we have high expectations for our team. From a basketball standpoint, these are the people we're counting on to make those expectations a reality."

Dunleavy welcomed the opportunity, saying, "I really appreciate the trust that the organization has placed in me.  We’re ready and excited to move forward, and we think we’ll have a team which can be dynamic and exciting, certainly one with enough talent to be a force in the Western Conference."

Baylor, an 11-time NBA All Star, joined the Clippers in 1986 as Vice President of Basketball Operations after a stellar 14-year playing career with the Los Angeles Lakers and a brief coaching stint with the New Orleans Jazz. He was inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame in 1976, chosen as one of the NBA’s "50 Greatest Players of All Time" during the league’s 50th Anniversary celebration in 1997, and was named the 2005-06 NBA Executive of the Year.

Dunleavy, entering his sixth year as Clippers’ Head Coach, has manned dual roles before: he was Vice President of Basketball Operations and Head Coach of the Milwaukee Bucks from 1992-93 through 1995-96.

Olshey, originally hired as Clippers’ Director of Player Development prior to the 2003-04 season, became an assistant coach on Dunleavy’s staff in 2004-05.  He has been the team’s Director of Player Personnel for the past three seasons.

It's hard to imagine that they thought no one would notice that Elgin was nowhere to be found at the new facility, or that his name was missing from the media guide.  In fact, it's hard to believe that it took a week for someone to call Elgin and ask him what was up.  When were they planning to announce this? 

Ignoring the typically inept handing of the situation, at least the Clippers finally made this happen.  Dunleavy has been acting as the de facto GM for many years now.  He asked for involvement in personnel decisions in his first contract, and asked for more in his extension. 

I'm not sure that 'ex-player doing double duty as head coach' is really the profile of a successful NBA GM in the Buford/Pritchard/Presti era.  But at least we have some confidence that MDsr, with the broker gig on his resume, can do the salary cap math.  So Dunleavy gets what he wants, which is full responsibility (he aked for it in January during his kerfuffle with Sterling: “As long as I am here, I’ll take full responsibility, and I guarantee you everybody is going to be happy").  And Sterling has one fewer salary to pay - which actually will make him happy.

Does it make ClipperSteve happy?  Well, it's a start.  Baylor is a link to "The Worst Franchise in Pro Sports" days.  He should have been fired each and every year since, say, 1987.  So that's about two decades of reprieves.  And although not much will change in the short term since MDsr was already calling the shots, it's clearly better for him to have the title along with the responsibility.

Seems like it could have been handled better though.  I hope Baylor doesn't end up suing Sterling for his salary like Bill Fitch had to.  That's embarrassing.

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I like Elgin, but...

…it was way past time for him to ride off into the sunset. I hope the Clippers pay him off, so there’s not some protracted legal battle. I know Baylor has not really been in charge for a while, but it was clear how out of the loop he was during the whole Brand disaster. He was nowhere to be found.

What do you guys think the chances are that Dunleavy steps down as coach after this season?

by RichardJ on Oct 7, 2008 11:34 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Steps Down?

Chances he steps down are zero from a basketball standpoint – I suppose he could have a health or family issue.

Look, he’s finally the GM. He has frequently discussed long term cap issues, even when he wasn’t officially the GM – “no bad contracts”, that sort of thing. There’s nothing that can happen this season that would make him walk away from this situation. He has 3 big contracts (Thomas, Mobley and Camby) expiring in 2010. That means they are great trade chips starting in 2009 ( or even now). His mentality is that he can do this job, that he is the smartest guy in the room, and that he has the tools to succeed, even if this team doesn’t play well.

If DTS puts up roadblocks (canceling trades, etc) then his frustration will mount. But he’ll go through one full off season as the GM with all these trade chips, and it would take a catastrophe for him to walk away before 2010 when LeBron, Wade and Bosh become free agents and the Clippers figure to be players. So he’s not stepping down.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Oct 8, 2008 8:47 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree. It's not likely...

…that Dunleavy leaves the coaching gig to focus on being a GM. I was just wondering, because my recollection of his term at Milwaukee is that things didn’t go too well. Plus, it must take a lot of energy to hold down both jobs. (Although Baylor didn’t seem to be exerting too much energy.)

But I’m sure Dunleavy realizes what a great position the Clips are in regarding the salary cap. I hope this means they’ll take a shot at landing one of those big-name free agents…

by RichardJ on Oct 8, 2008 12:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have no doubt that's his plan

Whether DTS has the same plan and whether anyone wants to take the money… those are other questions.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Oct 8, 2008 1:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

coach Dunleavy

I think there’s no chance he steps down. unless he has problems with Baron this year

by FEARTHECLIPS on Oct 8, 2008 8:32 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seems like it was in the works when Dunleavy re-signed...

Although MDSr seemed surprised by the timing, Mark Heisler’s LATimes article this morning indicates Baylor’s retirement was long in the works… probably back to Dunleavy’s last contract negotiation.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-heisler8-2008oct08,0,7192753.column?page=1

by swamigusto on Oct 8, 2008 9:07 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why not you?

Why doesn’t the Clipper organization recognize your talent and name you GM? Why is this Dunleavy person double dipping? Why Steve?

by redsilvia on Oct 8, 2008 10:09 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

You actually went to the trouble of activating your ID on the new system just for this?

And for the record, I would have settled for the Assistant GM title. Stupid Neil Olshey!

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Oct 8, 2008 10:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A Few Thoughts on Baylor

I haven’t really entered the fray on this one. It seems very typical of Clipper dysfunction rearing its ugly head, but there’s also the “streamlining” argument (see the Clipperblog roundup, where CS gets a nice quote), and the fact that this won’t have much effect on the team. There’s the bumbling and backing into a bad communication situation, and then there’s also the slight mystery, no one quite knows what happened and what is going on. Classic Clipper obfuscation, whether it’s necessary or not. It should be noted that Dunleavy would seem to have pushed through all this into official control while keeping himself clean, staying effective, and seeming to be respectful of Elgin. We all know it could have been handled better, but we don’t know the details. Did Elgin get greedy, wanting more compensation for a largely ceremonial function, though still perhaps in an advising role? The true breakdown is as cloudy as the Brand situation, although the stakes are much lower, A level of respect and loyalty is involved, once again, but it’s also probably a matter of getting paid, on some level.

But I’m more interested in the past. I think that CS’ point that Baylor should have been fired on a yearly basis isn’t wrong, but it puts the blame in the wrong place. As the Clippers change in Dunleavy’s tenure and their time at Staples, we seem to keep learning what a fleabag operation it has been all these years. Maggette’s “revelations” about the workout situation are the latest (is it crazy to wonder whether Maggette could have put a pretty nice gym in his house, if he wanted to work out in privacy and some luxury, maybe a hoop in the driveway to shoot around… not to excuse the Clipper shabbiness, but just asking). When Dunleavy arrived the Clips had one VCR, and he pushed hard for the practice facility.

Elgin was operating under very serious financial constraints. It was virtually Dickensian. I guess my view is that it’s not that Elgin should have been fired, but that he should have quit every year. He shouldn’t have associated his name and reputation with the wildly substandard Clipper operation. He legitimized it. He has culpability there, but it’s hard to say what he was supposed to do as a GM, because there was very little that he could do. He hired the best coaches that he could, but wasn’t allowed to pay them real money or give them longterm guaranteed contract that would need to be paid off if things went sour. He wasn’t given the resouces to chase free agents. The Clippers failed to retain a number of promising young players, but none of them turned out to be stars. It’s not that they had a great, franchise player on their roster and let him get away. That never happened.

He had very bad luck with the draft. The timing was always wrong—there was never an obvious major star, a complete no-brainer, ever available to the Clippers, even with all of their futility. That part is simply uncanny, and it seems impossible. Elgin clearly missed on a number of really good players, but none of them was completely obvious. It’s not like he ever took a Sam Bowie over Jordan, or a Darko ahead of Wade or Carmelo, and he never had a shot at a Duncan or Lebron.

I think that Elgin cruised along, did what he could, hoped to get a little success and then build on it, and things just didn’t break quite right. He should have figured out that it was an embarassing situation that was never going to gel after about 10 years, but at that point perhaps he blamed his luck and determined to just try harder. The deck was always stacked against him and he was working in a toxic atmosphere, but he was probably dizzy and a little blindly optimistic about finding good chemistry, or the right coach, year after year.

The fact is that Elgin was a huge enabler. There’s probably some kind of rich psychological saga here, and all those years of losing to Russell and the Celtics probably took their toll. Elgin had such marvelous gifts as a basketball player, but something in his head told him that he didn’t deserve to be a winner, and he played it out over two decades with Sterling. The contrast with Jerry West is striking. And let’s not forget Elgin’s very bad knee injury, which fractured his playing career. He was good enough afterwards to still be one of the premier players in the game, but he couldn’t win. Jerry West had his injuries, but he was never hurt like that. Elgin retired just as the Lakers finally on their way to winning their first championship. He wasn’t able to play well enough to satisfy his own standards, while West was healthy and completely focused on breaking through. There are echoes of Elgin’s exit from the court in the way that he has left the Clippers now. He’s a damaged guy. Sterling exploited that, and him for years.

And yet, hanging in, he set the stage. He drafted Odom, traded for Brand and Maggette. This wasn’t so significant in its results on the court, as it was in that he got players that Sterling was willing to match and pay—the quality of the Clippers benefitted from the RFA structure and salary minimums, but still. Larry Brown stopped by, and he made a choice in Dunleavy who ushered in a new era.

The hope, here at the Nation, might be that Elgin played a role on the Clippers similar to what he did on the court with the Lakers. He started in a different era—Elgin started playing not too long after the one-hand jump shot was invented, and he played above the rim—and set the stage. Elgin set the stage for West, who finally won his title and then turned the Lakers into the Showtime dynasty. Elgin kept the lights on for years and set the stage for Dunleavy, who has changed the culture and may be able to take the Clips to the Promised Land. Moses in the desert, anyone? Elgin is a good man, and he did his best. Sterling is not a good man, but he’s the owner; it’s his team. Sterling is more like Scrooge, lost for years before having a dream about Clippers Past and Clippers Future. It’s a rich history.

So that’s my view: it’s not that Elgin should have been fired—in this case Moses should have quit working for God/Scrooge, and hopped on the first camel out of the desert.

by citizen zhiv on Oct 8, 2008 11:12 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

ClipperBlog quote

I sound really mean in that quote. I wasn’t trying to sound mean. Oh well.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Oct 9, 2008 10:43 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While i'm not a Clips fan

You pretty summed up every thought I did have on the organization, and why DTS is the worst thing that ever happened to ownership in sports.

I agree with Bill Simmons that Baylor’s playing career should be remembered for the top tier forward he really was on the court. I think it’s unfortunate he spent 22 years with DTS as a caretaker too.

Thank you Zhiv for putting that down.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Oct 12, 2008 4:10 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Additional info...

Dillman at the Times is reporting:

Though many of the details remain unclear, several pieces of information emerged. Sources with knowledge of the situation who were not authorized to comment publicly said that Baylor had been working without a contract since the early 1990s, having been told that one was not necessary.

So it sounds like they “Fixed the glitch.”

What would you say it is you do here, Elgin?

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Oct 9, 2008 8:33 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Notes and quotes from former Clippers re: Baylor…

Perfect return
Darius Miles was 3 for 3 from the field for 6 points in a 16-minute stint in his first game since April 2006 with Portland. Miles missed the last two seasons after microfracture surgery on his right knee.

“I couldn’t sleep last night, I was so nervous,” Miles said. "I’m not an option on this team, I’m just a role player. But that’s fine with me. I love the way this team plays defense.

“This was my first time going five, six days in a row [in practice] in two years. I knew once I got past that Sunday practice, I’d have a day off. I’ve had no pain, no nothing. It’s just been discomfort.”

Miles started his career as a teenager with the Clippers, who this week fired general manager Elgin Baylor.

“That’s the way this league is, some people are in a position, and they just feel they need a change,” Miles said. “I wish him luck, his wife, his family. Maybe some other team will pick him up.”

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2008/10/09/guardian_rivers_gets_assist/

Lamar Odom, who played four seasons for the Clippers, was upset with Elgin Baylor’s firing Tuesday, saying Baylor "didn’t deserve that."

"He was a loyal person," Odom said. "It’s too bad. He’s a good man."

http://lakers.freedomblogging.com/2008/10/07/odom-critical-of-baylors-firing/

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by Lawler's Law on Oct 9, 2008 10:26 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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