Is Chris Kaman on the Trading Block?
The short answer is no.
Look, anyone can be traded. MDsr has said as much in the past - that there is no one who is untouchable. It's uninteresting to the point of banal to say that, for the right offer, anyone can be traded. So in that since, sure, Kaman is on the block just as everyone else in the league is.
But according to Peter Vecsey in today's New York Post, it goes beyond that:
Now that Marcus Camby (double-figure rebounding last two games) is nearing full strength, the 1-6 Clippers are open to a rational market trade for [Kaman] the big guy who has battened down their middle for five seasons and is owed $43 million over four seasons.
So, Vecsey is implying that Kaman is somehow more available today (because Camby is getting healthier, if you follow his logic) than he was before. Of course, Camby's been a Clipper since July, and he's no more or less injury-prone now than he's ever been, so other than a knee-jerk "Camby's hurt this instant so we can't trade Kaman" - the logic is flawed to say the least.
The comments in the two FanPosts on this subject spend some time analyzing the perceived motivation and credibility of Vecsey. Here's my take. Citizen Zhiv is correct that Vecsey's always going to be fishing for an NYC angle - he writes for the Post after all. So he came up with three of them in this story - former Knicks coach Larry Brown needs a big in Charlotte, and maybe Larry actually covets Kaman; Zach Randolph could go to the Clippers; or maybe Sean Williams of the Nets could go to the Bobcats. But Vecsey doesn't even make a pretext that the Clippers are interested in anything the Bobcats have to offer - he flat out says they're not. Meanwhile, his assertion that LA would somehow be interested in Randolph at this point doesn't really pass the laugh test. After all, back in July the Clippers offered NOTHING for Randolph and a Knicks draft pick. How is it possible that they would somehow be willing to part with their 26 year old center for Randloph now when they were looking for a fire sale in July?
Zhiv's also correct to point out the telltale "1-6 Clippers" clue. As if the Clippers are ready to start over two weeks into the season. Does he also think that Tim Duncan is being shopped around now that Spurs have started 1-4?
All NBA columnists have their sources. They all print myriad rumors that turn out not to be true in the end. Obviously, if a rumored trade doesn't happen, they can always maintain that it fell through for various reasons, and that the proposal was nonetheless true - that they didn't make it up out of whole cloth. Maybe. It's not like anyone can prove any of this one way or the other.
I will say that Vecsey has a VERY ANNOYING habit of demeaning other trade rumors that he feels lack credibliity while simultaneously floating flights of fancy. I noted this very thing in a post from Dec. 2006. And in his Kaman column, he does the exact same thing. He calls a rumored Eddy Curry for Gerald Wallace three team deal a 'whopper' and in the VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH starts a rumor involving Kaman which will, in the end, turn out to be just as false as the one he maligned (i.e. neither trade will happen).
That does not entail importing or including Eddy Curry in some shadowy three-team train [sic] affecting Gerald Wallace. It's unclear who should be discredited for manufacturing that whopper. However, merely a minimal degree of groundwork by those who circulated the report throughout the NBA would've established its in-authenticity.
This tendency by Vecsey to insist that his poop does not stink while everyone else's smells like... well, poop, is extremely disingenuous. It's one thing to throw the rumors out there and stir the pot for the sake of an interesting sports column. But why does he insist on yelling "liar, liar pants-on-fire" at everyone else?
Might the Clippers be quietly (or previously quietly) entertaining offers for Chris Kaman? Sure, it's possible. But to imply that it's somehow related to Camby's recent performances is silly. Some have insisted that Camby and Kaman were redundant from the moment of the Nuggets deal, but the simple fact of the matter is that the Clippers need two quality starting bigs and right now those two are Kaman and Camby, regardless of whether you think one of them is not really a power forward. Dealing Kaman would have some very specific requirements in return, a fact which Vecsey doesn't even address. Somehow, the Clippers don't want Gerald Wallace because he's too similar to Corey Maggette - but isn't the obvious answer that it would leave the team with Tim Thomas starting at the four?
Kaman probably has more trade value than anyone on the team right now. He's 26, he's signed for four years, and he's underpaid (providing that he plays like Kaman 2.0 and not Mr. Flippy). All teams want to improve, and they only have so many options, and if you want to make a trade you have to recognize what assets you have available. So I agree with Citizen Jax that the Clippers would be wise to at least be thinking about the possibilities.
But rest-assured - any deal for Kaman would have to really wow MDsr. I'm pretty sure he likes the big lummox more than any of us do, so he'd want something substantial in return. The current plan in ClipperLand - to build around Davis, Kaman, Thornton and the rookies, to allow Thomas and Mobley and Camby to expire, and to use the cap space (or the expiring contracts) in summer 2010 or before to acquire additional help - is looking more and more solid as Kaman and Baron start playing well together and as the rookies display their promise. I don't see MDsr veering off of that path for anything less than a spectacular deal.
No matter what Peter Vecsey says.
UPDATE: Both Art Thompson in the OCR (glad to see he kept his job in the latest set of cuts there) and Ramona Shelburne in the LADN have posts on their respective blogs refuting this rumor. The pest has quotes from MDsr with an extended and frankly a little creepy dancing metaphor. MDsr dancing cheek-to-cheek with Michael Jordan? Eww.
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Great thoughts once again
I did not read this before I posted my rant, but once again it seems we are in agreement. Good job.
by moKi on
Nov 11, 2008 1:22 PM PST
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absoltely...
We posted about the same time. I love the links you found of Vecsey once again throwing other reporters under the bus while he himself was pulling stuff out of thin air.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on
Nov 11, 2008 1:40 PM PST
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Oh man
Did you just jinx it.
Kaman is gone before the Kings game for sure now.
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
by John R on
Nov 11, 2008 1:37 PM PST
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I thought about that...
After Baron and Brand this summer, both of which I said would never happen, I should be more careful, huh? Tell you what, I’ll give up the blog if Kaman gets traded to Charlotte. You and Jax can co-write it.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on
Nov 11, 2008 1:40 PM PST
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We have no pride
I was thinking the same thing: if we’re all worked up into a tizzy and feel completely convinced that there’s no way that Kaman will be traded, that it just makes no sense whatsoever, somehow the chances that it will actually happen are dramatically increased.
But losing six games after having no discernible preseason can do that to you, I guess.
“The 1-6 Clippers today traded Chris Kaman, Al Thornton, and Eric Gordon for Zach Randolph, Dan Dickau, and Darius Miles. ’We felt like it was important to do something to salvage the season,” GM and coach Mike Dunleavy told reporters. ‘It seemed like there was a good chance that the team might win the next few games and come together, so we wanted to nip that in the bud and make sure that we could make some other teams more competitive early in the season.’"
by citizen zhiv on
Nov 11, 2008 1:54 PM PST
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If you want to self-destruct, do it royally
Kaman and Mobley out, MDJr. and Troy Murphy in. Between Murphy and Camby you build the feathery softest front court out there and you get all the drama of bringing in the coach’s son.
Of course, I could actually see an argument that it would improve the team too. Then you still have the Thomas and Camby contracts expiring for 2010, and the Pacer pals expiring in 2011.
Hmmm, I’m going to go ahead and not think about that anymore.
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
by John R on
Nov 11, 2008 2:03 PM PST
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Another Reason This Trade Doesn't Make Sense
Kaman wouldn’t be a very good fit on the Bobcats. Last year they traded for Nazr Mohammed and tried to start him at Center and Okafor at PF. That experiment failed because both players clogged up the lanes a la Curry and Randolph. Okafor doesn’t have much shooting range, and Mohammed has none.
The Bobcats would probably consider trading Gerald for a PF since Jared Dudley isn’t the answer there, and that’s what almost makes this rumor seem plausible. But a trade for Kaman only makes sense from the Bobcats perspective if they also trade Okafor and get a PF back, too. I wouldn’t put it past Larry Brown to blow up the team at some point, but I don’t think that will happen now.
by ClipCat on
Nov 11, 2008 2:45 PM PST
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Could be a money thing
Looking at the empty seats in Staples, the Clippers could be looking to get rid of as many big contracts as possible and throw in the towel for this season. I doubt it yet, but maybe later on in the year. I tend to agree that the columnsist is full of it.
by FireDunleavy.com on
Nov 11, 2008 4:20 PM PST
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Peter Vecsey
Vecsey reminds me of those Lakers fans who write posts proposing trades of Luke Walton for Lebron James and Sasha for Chris Paul. Things like the Gasol trade reinforces their belief that such trades can and do happen for the Lakers.
by MichaelCage on
Nov 11, 2008 6:35 PM PST
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A Blessing & A Curse
It’s always fun to hear about these rumours when they involve other teams and players. When I saw the story today I pretty much knew it was BS, but it’s never easy when you’re the butt of a rumour.
by ghost_ride on
Nov 11, 2008 8:50 PM PST
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The New York Post
It’s the Post! Their mandate is to sell papers and worry about nitpicky things like ethics and accuracy only if those they malign have the patience and temerity to sue. They are bottom-feeders. It’s not an accident Vecsey’s worked there the last 25 years.
by swamigusto on
Nov 11, 2008 9:11 PM PST
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Temerity
Good word. Temerity. Always been a favorite of mine. +1 for Citizen swamigusto.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on
Nov 12, 2008 7:08 AM PST
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