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Clippers vs. Kings - Game Preview and Open Thread

Sacramento @ Los Angeles Clippers


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vs.
 
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1-6 3-5
Staples Center
November 12, 2008 - 12:30 PM
TV: FSN Prime Ticket
Probable starters:
Baron Davis
PG Beno Udrih
Cuttino Mobley
SG John Salmons
Al Thornton SF Mikki Moore
Marcus Camby
PF Jason Thompson
Chris Kaman
C Brad Miller

The Big Picture:

The Clippers are coming off their first win of the season - a 103-92 victory over the Mavericks on Sunday afternoon.  They've had an extra day and a half of rest for the first time on the young season.  The Kings played last night in Sacramento.  The Clippers are facing a non-playoff team, non 50-win team for the first time this season.  I'm not sure if a 1-6 team can have a 'trap' game, but if so this could be it. With the day off, bored sports columnists on both coasts were trying to create problems for the Clippers.  But Chris Kaman and Baron Davis were having big fun playing together on Sunday, and hopefully that will come through again tonight.

The Antagonist:

The Kings traded away Ron Artest in the off-season after having traded away Mike Bibby last February.  That left Kevin Martin as the only remaining member of their Big Three.  And then Martin turned his ankle game before last.  So tonight the Clippers face a rebuilding team lacking the player they're rebuilding around.  I don't even think there's a word for such a team.  Still, these are NBA players and if you take them lightly it will not go well.  John Salmons in particular has always played better against the Clippers than Speed Racer (though Quinton Ross had something to do with that) and Brad Miller is a long time Clipper killer.  This seemingly innocuous group of Kings were leading against the Pistons in the fourth quarter last night.  It must also benoted that the Kings are 3-1 in Sacramento this season and 0-4 on the road, so that's another factor in the Clippers' favor.  

The Subplots

  • You just can't lose this one.  We've made a big deal about all the 50 win teams the Clippers have been facing and the lack of pre-season games together.  Facing the Kings, without Kevin Martin, in Staples, with more rest, eight games into the season, with key players healthy... the Clippers just can't lose this game.  There would be no excuse - none.
  • Lucky breaks (or lucky sprains).  In seven games this season, the Clippers have faced five teams missing a key player, many of them all star caliber.  The Nuggets, Jazz (twice), Rockets and Mavericks were missing Carmelo Anthony, Deron Williams, Shane Battier and Josh Howard respectively.  That trend continues - tonight against the Kings minus Kevin Martin and in the next two games against the Warriors and Spurs.  It's just one of those things (unless MDsr has some voodoo dolls we don't know about).  So far, they've been mostly unable to take advantage of the weakened competition, partly because they were not at full strength themselves.  At the end of the season, a win is a win, and it won't matter that you met teams playing below full strength, but you have to take advantage of these opportunities.  Two season ago, when the Clippers went 40-42 and missed the playoffs by two games, they lost numerous games like these - to the Raptors without Bosh, the Rockets without Yao, etc. etc.  They have to do better this time.
  • Jason Thompson.  Before the Dallas game we talked about how some athletic power forwards like Paul Millsap and Carl Landry had been killing the Clippers.  LA managed to keep Brandon Bass in check Sunday, but tonight the face yet another four in this mold in rookie Jason Thompson.  When the Kings drafted Thompson out of Rider with the 12th overall pick many eyebrows were raised.  But the rookie is averaging 11.5 points and 6.5 rebounds while shooting almost 59% on the season so far so it looks like they knew something the rest of us didn't.
  • Kaman - King Killer.  Throughout his career, Chris Kaman has had some of his best games against Sacramento.  Traditionally, he struggles against really big centers, and running teams present a different issue.  But if Kaman is Goldilocks, then Brad Miller is just right - not too big, not too small.  Second year player Spencer Hawes and Thompson may change the equation some with Miller's minutes decreasing, but look for Kaman to have a big game.  Citizen Zhiv pointed this out in a recent comment, but it really needs to see the light of the front page - Kaman is now shooting almost 52% for the season.  We've discussed before the importance of FG% in Chris' game - when it's down, it usually means Mr. Flippy has reappeared.  Well, after shooting 10 for 32 in the first three games, he's 27 for 40 in the last four.  Let's get him some more shots.
  • Big game for a big point guard?  Baron Davis has the strength to overpower smaller opponents.  Well, Beno Udrih has never been known as a great defender, and he's giving away some size to Baron.  And Bobby Brown at 175 pounds has been getting the back up minutes (hey, that's Reggie Theus' prerogative).  I'm not seeing how the Kings are going to handle Baron tonight.
  • Tracking Gordon.  Eric Gordon played 17 minutes against the Rockets and 30 minutes against the Mavs.  I don't expect him to play 30 minutes tonight, but if he comes into the game and plays well, he might get more minutes than the struggling Ricky Davis, and keep Cat Mobley on the bench for awhile.  It's clear that he's in the rotation, and will get some burn, but he needs to continue to earn it.  The offense will come - he's too talented.  But if he keeps working hard on defense, he'll be a fixture in the rotation.
  • Thomas.  Tim Thomas' ankle is feeling better, and he may play tonight.  Try not to be overwhelmed with joy.

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Let's give Tim Thomas a chance

Before you put him out to roast. I for one think he’s a very skilled asset when motivated (keyword when motivated) and I think he is motivated this year.

I want him to be the Fugazi killer!

by Newtybar on Nov 12, 2008 10:37 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I kid because I love

Tim Thomas is a hell of a basketball player, and he will hopefully be a major asset to the Clippers this season. But he’s also an easy punching bag. I gave him a little jab.

I think MDsr will hold him out tonight… give the ankle a couple more days.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 12, 2008 10:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

$160 tickets for $25 at box office

I got a text from the Clippers, if you show the box office this text message, they give you $160 for $25, just for the Sac game. They must be hurting big time.

by FireDunleavy.com on Nov 12, 2008 11:57 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FD please

can you stop your bashing on the clips for one minute and actually post something meaningful. X( Other than that this is definitely a must win there is no reason why we shouldn’t win this. We have to start a win streak, we should build a big lead and not look back.

by bestclipfan on Nov 12, 2008 2:42 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re:

How was that bashing?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 12, 2008 4:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kaveman and The Hobbit

“Let’s get him some more shots.”

I couldn’t agree more. They’ve been doing a pretty decent job of getting him looks though. Of course since Baron is there, it’s easier on Kaman. When Baron is out, it’s like Kaman doesn’t exist.

As for EJ (The Hobbit as Camby has dubbed him), I expect him to get around 25 min tonight as long as he’s not struggling. I think EJ’s minutes will be determined by the matchups. Dun explicitly said that he wants to put him in positions to succeed so that he can be confident, and pitting him against the Kobes of the league isn’t the way to do that. I totally agree.

Tonight we go up against a team w/o its top flight SG. Thus, EJ will play. Dallas doesn’t have an elite SG, hence EJ played. But against teams with elite wings, I don’t think EJ will play much. Dun will give Cat and Ricky the chance to play D against those guys.

by madglove on Nov 12, 2008 2:46 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hobbit

I saw that. Not sure it’s going to stick.

EJ did a really good job on Jason Kidd the other day – not a scorer perhaps, but a great facilitator. I know that MDsr is concerned with keeping his confidence up but the kid appears to have some defensive chops. I’m not sure he has to be handled quite so delicately.

Having said that, I don’t see any overly imposing wing players in the next group of games (Kings, Dubs, Spurs, Thunder). So if that’s the criterion, he should get his chances.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 12, 2008 3:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to piss you guys off

But this is a tailor made handpicked game for you guys to win in double digits. The Kings shouldn’t win this game, and it shouldn’t matter to me if they do or not, but if they win, it will largely I think register as a launching pad for this team on the road.

The Clippers have had a tougher schedule than the Kings, but not by too much. On the other hand, missing Martin does not help. I mightily disagree that the Kings miss Bibby in any way, and don’t miss Artest because Salmons does many of the things that Artest does, and without the distracting BS that Artest brings on a nightly basis, or did in Sactown.

Last but not least, Good Luck tonight.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2008 7:22 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

geez...

no energy at all…hopefully the kings will tire out in the 4th qtr….

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:10 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

clips killing themselves with TOs...

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they should have wrapped this up in the 1st half

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Al is much better on the drive

he needs to take it to the hoop, then the spacing will open up for his jumper…settles for those Js too much…

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:15 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the kid thompson is very impressive

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:18 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he is killing the clips!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:19 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TT for a 3!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:19 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bingo!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:19 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

still down by ten...40 secs in the 3rd...

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:21 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

down by 12 end of qtr...ridiculous!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:25 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fight during the houston phoenix game

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:25 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

barnes and alston

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:26 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ralph i hope you're right abour Rdavis...

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:27 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Taylor with a 3ptr!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:29 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now Ricky Buckets!!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:29 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

back with in 3!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:29 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

looks like Mike was right!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:30 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WTF! Miller drives for a layup!!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:32 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

at least we're getting some foul calls

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:33 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TT gets 2 fts...

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:34 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

down by 5

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:34 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

couldn't grab a D rebound!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:34 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

man..beno has been killing us on the drives

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

splitting the D....

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

beno has been schooling BD!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:36 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FTs have kept us in the game

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:36 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PD misses that 16ftss

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:37 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

down by 7 with 6 mins left

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:37 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

geez...

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:37 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

24 sec violation! lets see if they take advantage

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:39 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

miller

short one assist of a triple double

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:41 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

kaman has been taken out of his game

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:42 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What is it....

…..about Sacramento? The Clips just can’t play against them!

by saxmanager on Nov 12, 2008 9:43 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

handed them the game

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:44 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can't stop them...

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:44 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not over yet

……but let’s get some stops!

by saxmanager on Nov 12, 2008 9:47 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is ridiculous, they are having their way with us.

Why is Kaman on the bench?! Am I missing something?

by Newtybar on Nov 12, 2008 9:47 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no stops all game

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:48 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why would it change now

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:48 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He must be hurt.....

…..Kaman was out for almost all of the second quarter

by saxmanager on Nov 12, 2008 9:49 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no...just not getting it down on the block

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:51 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he was playing fine...no mention of it by milph

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:51 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seatbelt time!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:52 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yikes LL in effect!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:53 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like how camby tries to energize the crowd

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow Beno

what a man

I love LAC.

by oasisman on Nov 12, 2008 9:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he killed the clips the whole game

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:56 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just not good that we made it back this close...

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:58 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it should have never been this close...

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 9:59 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where was the Paul Davis

everyone was talking about the other day. All I saw was a big doofus tonight. Beno just destroyed Baron tonight. Beno+Brand > Davis+Camby?

So that was the crunch time Baron Davis?

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 12, 2008 9:59 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bad, bad

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 10:00 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so he didn't put him in in the 4th...

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 10:02 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sucks...

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 10:04 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How come...

Some random (but pretty good) guy from each team always comes out and has a monster night against us.

Millsap
Beno
Etc.

by Newtybar on Nov 12, 2008 10:06 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

better question...

how come we suck even though we have good guys

by highriser on Nov 12, 2008 10:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

over-under as to when BD's cork will pop...

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 10:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2 more loses...

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 10:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's odd

Gordon +4, Mobley -8

by besaje on Nov 12, 2008 10:10 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we lost

to a kevin martinless team…

by highriser on Nov 12, 2008 10:10 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

md sr should have stuck EJ or Taylor on beno

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 10:11 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why do i waste my evenings like this!!??

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 10:11 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I ask myself the same question

Yeah, it sucks watching and rooting for a team that loses. Especially the Clippers, when LA is clearly a Laker Town. Put it this way, you’re wasting time whether the Clips win or lose. It just feels better when they win.

Come to think of it, Beno/Brand would be better than Davis/Camby. In 03, a certain PG also had a “homecoming” to play for his hometown team. That didn’t end so well.

I love LAC.

by oasisman on Nov 12, 2008 10:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good night kids...

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 12, 2008 10:11 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm just glad

I’m drunk on bday b/c I can’t watch this anymore

by Qlippers on Nov 12, 2008 10:22 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dunleavy does it again

Can’t beat the Kings at home with their 2 best players hurt. Gonna be hard to get over this loss. Thank god I canceled season tickets.

Kaman isn’t going anywhere. The OC register said part of Dunleay’s conditions to come to the Clippers is that they draft Kaman. I think he also has a trade clause that gives him more money if he’s traded.

by FireDunleavy.com on Nov 12, 2008 10:27 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree two more losses before BD loses it.

W…T…F is going on.

I almost miss mr. 20-10….. whatever his name is.

by Newtybar on Nov 12, 2008 10:29 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can answer this?

Why do we suck at the screen and roll D? Also, why is Kaman picks in the screen and roll terrible?

by Qlippers on Nov 12, 2008 10:29 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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