Clippers at Philadelphia - Game Preview and Open Thread
Los Angeles Clippers at Philadelphia 76ers, Nov 21, 2008 4:00 PM PST
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| 2-9 | 5-6 | |
| Wachovia Center | ||
| November 21, 2008 - 4:00 PM | ||
| TV: FSN Prime Ticket |
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| Probable starters: | ||
| Baron Davis |
PG | Andre Miller |
| Ricky Davis? |
SG | Andre Iguodala |
| Al Thornton | SF | Thaddeus Young |
| Marcus Camby |
PF | Valdemort |
| Chris Kaman |
C | Samuel Dalembert |
The Big Picture:
I can't believe I'm even writing this preview. The way this day is going, but the time I actually post it Zach Randolph will be a Clipper, Elton Brand will be named Man of the Year by the Boy Scouts of America, and everything I say here will be proven indisputably incorrect. But I'm undeterred. In all of the 'will EB and MDsr talk?' and 'will Z-Bo be a Clipper?' talk, we seem to have forgotten that this is a pretty important game for the struggling Clippers. The team played really well for the last 27 minutes of their last game. Sure, it was against a pretty weak opponent, but it was nonetheless good to see. Can they bring any of that positive energy into tonight's game? Does the dynamic change if Cat Mobley and Tim Thomas are packing for New York? Or even if they're not? Baron Davis is in a nasty shooting slump, and it's hard to imagine the Clippers winning this game if he is outplayed by former Clipper Andre Miller. But if Baron can create on offense, even if he's still not on fire from the field, I think the Clippers can win this game. Kaman and Camby have been playing well, and are starting to develop some rapport on the court, and those two and Baron need to put together good games. Here's what the Clippers can't do: they can't fall behind early and let the Sixers starting running downhill. Philly is an energy team and if they start clicking, they are tough to beat.
The Antagonist:
The Sixers closed last season very strong, and then added an All Star power forward (whose name escapes me) in the off-season. Expectations were sky-high for the team, understandably so. So how's that going? Well, they've started 5-6 against a very soft schedule. In fact, the Clippers and Sixers have the same number of victories against 07-08 playoff teams (1), and the Clippers have fewer losses to teams with losing records last season (1 such loss for the Clippers, 2 for the Sixers). But just as the Clippers can use personnel changes as an excuse for a slow start, so can the Sixers. The better question may be whether their new power forward fits the style of play that was working for them at the end of last year: trapping on defense and running on offense. On paper so far, it appears to be a good news / bad news story for the Sixers. The good news: second year player Thaddeus Young is having a great start to his sophomore season, leading the team in scoring and shooting 52.5%. The bad news: they have a ton of money tied up in Andre Iguodala, Samuel Dalembert and some other guy, all of whom have had terrible starts shooting the ball.
The Subplots
- Matchups. There are interesting matchups all over the floor in this one. Power forward is interesting for obvious reasons. Although it's worth noting that Camby never defended Brand when he was at Denver. Center is interesting because (1) Dalembert was a precedent in determining Kaman's contract extension and (2) Kaman played very poorly in both Philly games last season. Point guard is interesting because it's Baron Davis, the latest great hope for the Clippers at the point, versus Andre Miller, a former great hope that was incredibly disappointing. And small forward is interesting because it features two second year players, averaging 15 or 16, both leading their team's in scoring. Young was drafted two spots ahead of Thornton, and the Clippers were supposedly very high on him as well.
- Iguodala. What the hell's wrong with Iggy? I actually don't know. Just saw today that he's shooting 38% from the field on the season. Ouch. That's almost as bad as Baron; worse in a way, when you consider that Iggy is ove 46% for his career.
- More to come. Apparently the Clippers have made some trade or other.
- Moving on. Rather than trying to make this preview coherent, I'm just going to add more bullets. Everything above this point was BZ (Before Z-Bo). Now we're in AZ time (After Z-Bo, not Arizona). The immediate impact of the trade on this game is that the Clippers' starting shooting guard is gone. I'm guessing that Ricky Davis will get the call, especially given Iggy's size - that's a tough matchup for Gordon. The Sixers like to play Lou Williams at the two some, and whenever that happens, MDsr will likely counter with Gordon immediately. But the 1 through the three just got really thin, for tonight and beyond. With Ricky picking up minutes at the two (and with him mired in a sub-30% shooting slump), does Novak get some minutes at the three? We're also likely to see Baron on the floor with Taylor or with Hart over the next few days.
- The loss of Tim Thomas. The Clippers are 2-9 on the season. But they are 1-0 without Thomas. Coincidence? Paul Davis got to guard EB in practice two years ago - he's going to get to do it again tonight.
- My take on the Sixers. If you have time (and why would you not? It's not like there's anything else happening), re-read what I wrote about the Sixers in September. Then read what Bill Simmons said about them (item 7 in his NBA season preview).
ClipperSteve: Let's look at the Sixers' 'Big Three.' The Sixers three highest paid players are Elton Brand, Andre Iguodala and Samuel Dalembert. And this will be true for many years barring a trade, as Dalembert is signed for three more seasons, and the wet ink on Brand and Iguodala's contracts says they run for five and six seasons respectively.Elton Brand, Andre Iguodala and Samuel Dalembert is a 'Big Three?'
If Brand were number 2 in the Philly Big Three, this wouldn't really be a problem. But unfortunately for Sixer fans, Andre Iguodala would seem to have a very similar problem - he's a phenomenal athlete, he works hard every game, he does many things very well on the basketball court - and he's not particularly good at getting his own shot.
Sports Guy: In a league in which you're only as good as your best three guys, the 76ers are paying a second banana (Elton Brand) and a third banana (Andre Iguodala) first banana money, and they're paying a role player (Sam Dalembert) third banana money. In a league in which you need a proven crunch-time guy to battle the other proven crunch-time guys in the last three minutes of close games, they don't have a proven crunch-time guy. (And don't tell me it's Brand. I watched him for four years on the Clippers; he's not that type of player.)
So I ask you. Is Bill Simmons reading Clips Nation? He's Clippers season ticket holder, so it's possible. Bill? Are you out there? I like they way he worded it better, but he's kind of paraphrasing what I said in September, right? Of course, it may just be that great minds think alike. It's not that astounding of an insight, I suppose.
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Comments
If the trade is true...
I don’t see any way the Clips can win tonight. Not that Cat was producing like an All-star…it’s just that he was producing, period, and RDavis and Eric have not. I am kinda mad they couldn’t have at least waited until tomorrow (when they will be in New York/New Jersey) to pull this deal off.
The trade has still not hit any of the big sport sites, so I am a little leery as we speak. Hopefully that will change (one way or the other) in the near future here.
by Clip Show on Nov 21, 2008 1:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Tonight
This is obviously a significant move for the Clips, and could turn out really well. I don’t think the importance of tonight’s game can really factor in to an organization’s long term plans.
Thomas was frustrated with his lack of playing time. Gordon was frustrated with his backup/ utility role. By the 2nd half, Eric Gordon could be playing at a higher level than Mobley. Randolph gives us a solid post up presence and adds a true PF to our team in his prime.
Now if Randolph could just stay out of trouble…hopefully they can just let Ricky Davis go, then I’d be really happy.
by ghost_ride on Nov 21, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have not put much thought into the deal
for the long term. I was content gearing up for the matchup with FElton tonight, and then they spring this on us. We all knew that Cat, TT and Camby were going to be gone either this year or next, so that much is not surprising. I am just a little side swiped by the timing of it all. And now that the 2010 sweepstakes are out the window, it’s back to the “trade machine” on ESPN.
by Clip Show on Nov 21, 2008 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ricky
Although it’s possible that the aliens from Space Jam descended and stole Ricky Davis’ basketball mojo sometime this off-season, that almost never happens. So he’s in a horrific slump, and will likely break out of it at some point. Maybe an appearance in the starting lineup is just what he needs. Obviously this also means more minutes for Gordon, which is a very good thing, in my opinion.
The dynamic of tonight’s game is clearly messed up.
But there are some citizens who will be very happy to note – DeAndre Jordan will be in uniform!
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Nov 21, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon AND Ricky get more minutes
Mobley was a gamble anyway. He went one on one everytime and you just prayed he made his shot. At least Gordon and Ricky might pass the ball and play more team offense.
Tim Thomas – everyone knows what I’ve been saying about him. There was never any D in his name or game. Opponents just geared up for big spurts when they saw him come into a game…
by moKi on Nov 21, 2008 1:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ricky pass?
Ricky Davis? Has that ever happened?
F-Elton!
by mikey p on Nov 21, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He made a great pass...
To Kaman near the end of the OKC game.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Nov 21, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's right, now I remember
He is able, but not often willing.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on Nov 21, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Get 'em Baron
Elton Brand deserves anything he gets.
Playoffs!!??
by PAWarrior on Nov 21, 2008 1:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Nov 21, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Last time Kaman guarded him, EB blew his achilles
I say we go back to that matchup.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on Nov 21, 2008 1:57 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
LOL
That’s a really good plan. I should have thought of that.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Nov 21, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is talking in the Sixers thread (seems no one here is either) but can I just said, that Ralph Waller repeatedly calling the kid SPRITES is embarassing to him as a ‘professional’ and insulting and shows a total lack of preparation.
by jemagee on Nov 21, 2008 4:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Classic
You come here to rip a guy for butchering a last name, yet you butcher the last name of the guy you are complaining about.
Ralph “Lawler” is the Clippers play by play man. Has been so for 30+ years.
SPRITES is a rookie, and is a lot closer to “Speights” than Waller is to Lawler.
Idiot.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on Nov 21, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or I got it wrong on purpose and deal with so much lawler that I want to vomit.
But it’s not my job to know his name – it’s his job to know the names of the opponents team.
There are only 12 names for him to learn – is 12 too hard for him?
by jemagee on Nov 21, 2008 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know that the name really isn't SPRITES?
Do you know the guy?
Maybe Ralph “Waller” is right.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on Nov 21, 2008 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ralph LOL'er?
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
by John R on Nov 21, 2008 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
obviously you have never listened to the best play-by-play man since Chick...
he and mike often banter back and forth about names…you should have heard him when they played the Jazz and those two big Euros went into the game…butchered the names on purpose! funny stuff
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Nov 21, 2008 11:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kaman dunk!!
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Nov 21, 2008 5:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
DAMN!
Clips are ballin…nice follow by Al
F-Elton!
by mikey p on Nov 21, 2008 5:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
can't see but it sounds good
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Nov 21, 2008 5:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
streaming the Philly radio cast is weird
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Nov 21, 2008 5:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lots of ads about gentlemens clubs and erotic shops
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Nov 21, 2008 5:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
what is the website for...oh erotic shops nm cant listen tot hat at work lol
by Newtybar on Nov 21, 2008 5:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
it's through that NBA broadcast link
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Nov 21, 2008 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so it's good...it's nothing bad...it just sounds weird when all you're used to hearing is..."You're killing me LAAAARREEE!"
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Nov 21, 2008 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can just hear Lawler
Blocked by Brand
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 21, 2008 5:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great 2nd Quarter
once Gordon got on the floor. For those who think Ricky Davis is just in a slump, I hope you are right.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
by Phil Gurnee on Nov 21, 2008 5:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
kaman blocks EB
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Nov 21, 2008 5:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Clips lead at the half, 49-46
scored 33 in the 2nd
EB already has 5 blocks, but he is only 3-10 from the field.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on Nov 21, 2008 5:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The stats story
Clippers got destroyed in the 1st on possession stats. They got it together in the 2nd. Possession stats are now nearly tied as is the score.
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
by John R on Nov 21, 2008 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ok...time to go home and watch MILPH call this game...I wont' be blogging so you guys hold down the fort!
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Nov 21, 2008 5:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe how much.....
….I’m missing TT………………………………………..not!!!
by saxmanager on Nov 21, 2008 5:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
EB with a dagger 51 sec to go
I love LAC.
by oasisman on Nov 21, 2008 6:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Another loss in the books
We needed a Cat Mobley in at the last two minutes
I love LAC.
by oasisman on Nov 21, 2008 6:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I felt like the offense looked better WITHOUT Cat
He was a ballstopper. And not having TT come in tonight was a plus.
Addition by subtraction.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on Nov 21, 2008 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so true
Dodgers - 2008 NL West Champions
Tim Hightower for ROY.
by wongy on Nov 21, 2008 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's the same story, same characters
Awful shot selection by Baron at the end, 2 fadeaway 18 footers and a running hook shot.
EB is the opposite of clutch.
Blame Dunleavy all you want but those are not the plays he drew up. Baron freelanced those.
Disgusting.
by supac on Nov 21, 2008 6:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How fitting........
Miller and Brand…….hit the last two shots
by saxmanager on Nov 21, 2008 6:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
85-78
Then outscored 11-3 in 5 minutes of play.
by saxmanager on Nov 21, 2008 6:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Baron = loss
Is this guy the opposite of Cassell or what? At least Sam makes his horrible shots and occasionally tricks the defender into bumping him at crucial points in the ball game.
by MichaelCage on Nov 21, 2008 6:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
thornton shoulda got the ball in that situation. thaddeus obviously could not guard him. sixers had their best defender (iggy) and half the team guarding baron during that last play. ball shoulda touched thornton’s hands in that last possession, besides during the inbound.
Dodgers - 2008 NL West Champions
Tim Hightower for ROY.
by wongy on Nov 21, 2008 7:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I Thought The Same
We can’t be going to baron every time, play the matchups or give it to the hot hand.
by ghost_ride on Nov 21, 2008 10:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i think mdsr is giving BD rope...
if he hangs himself enough times, he will have no complaints when he draws up a play for someone other than him…
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on Nov 21, 2008 11:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I think that might be true....
If we lose the next 40 games and end up with a 2-50 record, Dunleavy can go to Baron and ask if he minds if somebody else takes the last shot…he doesn’t want to piss off Baron or anything….
by MichaelCage on Nov 22, 2008 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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