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New Orleans 99 - Clippers 87

Near the end of the game, I turned to Jeff and asked "What are the Clippers shooting?  Other than Gordon and maybe Kaman, I bet no one is over 40%."  Well, I was not 100% correct, but I wasn't too far off.  Camby managed 3 for 7, and Paul Davis was 1 for 2.  But Baron Davis (6 for 16) and Al Thornton (5 for 18) by themselves easily brought the team percentage down to 38%. 

In fact, given the shooting percentages (49% vs. 38%) and the rebounding discrepancy (48 to 37 in favor of the Hornets), I'm hard pressed to understand how the Clippers were within 6 points in the fourth quarter of this game.  Seriously... how is that possible? Weird.

I alluded to this in the preview, but the Hornets are a matchup nightmare for the new-look Clippers.  Neither Chris Kaman nor Marcus Camby really wants to stay home on David West.  West is in fact maybe the worst matchup in the league for the 'let's play two centers and see how it goes' Clippers.  The guy is just automatic from 17 feet, and he's fully capable of blowing by guys if they overcommit on the closeout - which in fact he also did several times.  Looking at the box score, I'm shocked that he actually missed 9 shots (he finished 12 for 21, a mere 57%).  I remember two meaningless misses at the end after the game was decided, but it seemed like he made absolutely everything in the second and third quarters.  He's always been a Clipper-killer and tonight was no exception.

So, given the combination of big nights for West and Chris Paul (who recorded a triple double), the rebounding edge for the Hornets and the Clippers poor shooting, the outcome was inevitable.

But there was still something to cheer about.

Eric Gordon scored 25 points on 9 for 18 shooting and 4 for 8 threes.  He took the ball to the hole strong, and maybe he'll get some calls when the refs learn his name.  (Anybody out there have a visceral hatred of Steve Javie, or am I the only one?)  He also had 4 steals and drew the defensive assignment of Chris Paul.  (Contradiction alert - wasn't it just a couple of weeks ago that MDsr was talking about protecting EJ's fragile ego but not playing him against the likes of Kobe and other top shooting guards?  So now he puts Baron on Rasual Butler and sticks the rookie on CP3.  Does this mean we're not worried about his confidence any more?)  Gordon was terrific, and is going to be a very good shooting guard in this league, and may indeed be able to play some point.  I think it would be wise to hand the starting job to him now, with or without Ricky Davis' tendonitis.  Let's get through the learning curve sooner rather than later, and oh by the way make some shots along the way. 

Mike Taylor also displayed his talents, and although he got out of control at times, his talent and hustle are welcome additions to this team.  His ability to pick NBA point guards clean one-on-one is uncanny.  I'm more and more convinced that he's going to be a good pro.  He's going to mature and figure out when to use that speed of his and when to slow down the pace.  Even DeAndre Jordan got his first non-garbage minutes of the season.  Too bad CP3 sniffed out that lob play - but glad to see the Clippers reaching deeper into the playbook, even if it didn't work out.

The rebounding is an enigma and quite troubling.  New Orleans is not a particularly good rebounding team, and this was supposed to be the Clippers forte.  I realize that all the misses on the Clippers' end helped the Hornets pad their defensive rebounding stats, but still.  Kaman did not have a very strong rebounding game with 7, but it's the team outside of Camby and Kaman who have to do a better job.  Thornton, 4 rebounds - Peja Stojakovic, 9.  Not good.

But the biggest concern has got to be Baron Davis.  Although he finished the game with a statistically acceptable 19 points and 8 assists, he isn't giving the Clippers the big time offensive option that he was supposed to bring.  Maybe it really is the MDsr system holding him back.  Maybe Baron is still bothered by his finger.  I don't know.  What I do know is that the Clippers will continue to lose with this mild-mannered guy with the beard running the team.

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Nov 2008 from At The Hive - 2 comments

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Agree with your assessment of rookies...

Gordon and Taylor brings energy and hustle to both ends of the floor. Not only should Gordon get the start even with a healthy Ricky Davis, Gordon might have to become the go to guy on this team. Even though he’s not going to shoot 50% and score 25 points every night, he’s probably got the best shooting stroke of anybody on the team right now and the kid can create his own shots. He only had three assists I think, but all three were beautiful. His defenders had to play him tight at the end and this opened up the passing lanes. With the ball in his hands tonight, in the second half, good things happened. For tonight at least, he made better decisions with the ball than Baron down the stretch.

DeAndre might help with our lack of rebounding…Kaman is just not a natural rebounder due to his small hands and short arms, and having Camby out in the 1st half with foul trouble hurts us. Dunleavy seems to be giving Taylor and Gordon some minutes now, so lets see if DeAndre can help with defense and rebounds. The kid has the body and the tools to do it. Now Dunleavy has just got to get over his phobia of playing three rookies and learn to live with their mistakes as well as their promise.

by MichaelCage on Nov 25, 2008 12:16 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gordon looked as steady as any Clipper has all year

I really thought AT was going to be the Clippers go to option (Baron, too, of course). But maybe it will have to be EG.

Though I hope his 25 pt performance won’t earn him a spot back on the bench in favor of the veteran, Ricky Davis. That is just the way things sometimes go around here.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Nov 25, 2008 2:58 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

I hadn’t really seen him play much before, including while he was at Indiana. He’s got great range, and if he can continue to stroke it, it appears that he can create his own shot, including driving to the hole, which will really help this team out. He’ll be inconsistent, but he has to start.

Note, however, that the Clippers’ lack of SG depth almost bit them last night when EG rolled his ankle in the first.

by Jax on Nov 25, 2008 8:54 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perhaps the reason why Baron isn't Baron...

I didn’t get a chance to post this after the Philly game, but the camera showed Baron checking into that game in the second or third quarter and he lifted his jersey to tighten what appeared to be a medical wrap around his waist that perhaps went all the way up to his lower rib cage. It happened so fast on camera, but as soon as I saw it I wondered whether he has a broken rib or something like that…

Other than what I think I saw, I have zero corroborative evidence… but if it were even somewhat true, it would sure explain why his shot has been so far off this season… If his core is not right, forget about having a natural shooting stroke.

Did anybody else see this snippet during the game and have any ideas as to what it might be for?

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Nov 25, 2008 1:10 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I saw it too and was wondering what it was....

I thought maybe he was having back spasms ala Sam Cassell or maybe wanted to keep his muscles warm in that area…he isn’t young anymore.

by Newtybar on Nov 25, 2008 9:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hes always had that thing

check out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VO6Pw_-fXU&feature=related

when he pulls up his jersey you can see it.

by saintdee on Nov 25, 2008 1:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

link

is broken but its the AK47 dunk. He pulls up his jersey after he makes the dunk.

by saintdee on Nov 25, 2008 1:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn

someone already posted a response later down in the blog refrencing the same thing. o well

by saintdee on Nov 25, 2008 1:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What was with the carry over calls

although at least they were calling them on both teams.

by bestclipfan on Nov 25, 2008 8:14 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Carries

Yeah, they called it tight. The amazing thing is that the Clippers had only 10 turnovers – and three of them (at least) were carries! That’s what you would call an ‘unforced error’ in tennis. I haven’t re-watched on the TiVo yet, but the first one (on Al) seemed really harsh to me. The other two (Taylor, Gordon) were good calls – clearly discontinued dribbles. The guy sitting behind me was yelling to Taylor that this wasn’t an And One video and he wasn’t Hot Sauce on his, and it was a pretty accurate description.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 25, 2008 9:35 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ralph said this must be Javie's first day of refereeing

if he felt the need to call the Thornton carry.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Nov 25, 2008 9:56 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did I mention that I hate Steve Javie?

I was at the game… not nearly as close to the action as Javie. But that dribble happens about a thousand times each NBA game.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 25, 2008 10:36 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some Positives

Offensive Rebounding: We won 13 to 10
Turnovers: We won 10 to 15
Assists: Only lost by two 20 to 22
Free Throws: We earned 6 more, but only netted 1pt in makes

Overall, there seemed to be a lot more hustle, but we have to close out better on the 3pt attempts. Even with Peja making some incredible shots, there were too many guys open out there. And what can you say about West, matchup nightmare for sure.

Taylor looks like our best option to backup the 1 & 2 positions. Now if we could only give Thornton more of a breather.

by ghost_ride on Nov 25, 2008 10:10 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We still need Ricky

Ricky Buckets still needs to backup the three spot. There are teams against whom you simply can’t play Novak. Julian Wright was a tough cover for him. And I’m not buying the Kaman/Camby/Randolph trio on the floor together. So while I want EJ starting, the team still has a big problem is Ricky Davis can’t make some shots.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 25, 2008 10:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Last Night

I think gave us a better chance to win with Ricky off the court. His personality makes it hard to just play him for 10 minutes a game or less. Has that even happened yet? He’s played less than 17 minutes twice (a 12 & a 15). I’d just rather give Novak & Mardy Collins an opportunity at this point.

by ghost_ride on Nov 25, 2008 10:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I definitely think Ricky will get it together

If he has been one thing during his career, it has been consistent.

Nobody forgets how to play. He is just in a slump. MDSr. probably has him overthinking.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Nov 25, 2008 2:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One more thing

Having more offensive rebounds is a function of having many, many more chances to offensive rebound. The Clippers missed 53 shots; the Hornets missed 41. Basically, offensive rebounding was essentially equal – each team got about one quarter of their misses back.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 25, 2008 10:42 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right

Applying the same devise to defensive rebounding, it’s not as bad as it looks. Any defecit can be put on Kaman’s 7 over 40 minutes of play. Hopefully the pending trade goes through because Randolph could help with both offensive and defensive rebounding.

by ghost_ride on Nov 25, 2008 10:50 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too Kind

Good analysis as always, but Gordon breaking out and making something of his minutes is hardly a surprise, and it should have happened a long time ago, in game 6 or 7 rather than #14. There’s a weird disconnect that somehow the horrendous and pathetic play of Ricky Davis will suddenly turn around and he’ll start hitting something resembling his career averages. But the obvious fact in reality is that he has been atrocious, looking like a player that few teams would want, and certainly not somebody you should expect to make a crucial contribution. It wasn’t a bad attempt, it could have worked and he might have been energetic and excellent, but he has been a worthless scrub all season. The example of Reuben Patterson stands very clearly before us, and Patterson was actually much better than Davis2 has been.

The fact that he was unavailable (a godsend, btw) showed a viable rotation: bringing Taylor in for Gordon, and putting BD at SG. With the energy and shooting of Taylor and Gordon, BD is going to wake up sooner or later—and there’s a lot less motivation to jump out of bed when you’re already very late for work and you know you missed the meeting about going to the playoffs.

I despised the trade when it happened, but now it seems like a decent surgical operation, removing Tim Thomas from Dunleavy’s arsenal, and taking the blanket away at the same time, which was the only way, it seems, that MD was going to play Gordon sooner rather than later. Removing the blanket makes Davis2’s deficiencies more glaring, and with the minutes, Gordon will show that he’s the best option by far, and he can really help the team. Addition by subtraction. And I suppose it was critical for Davis2 to miss this game and Gordon to have a chance to go off, before the Clips try to work Randolph into the mix.

Let’s remember that Mobley was barely adequate, savvy and a solid defender, and playing very well, but he was really just okay at best. RDavis is worthless. Novak should move ahead of him, and RDavis should get the kinds of opportunities that Novak was getting in the first 12 games—very few and far between. I know that Novak for Davis2 isn’t an exact match, but you get the point, and Novak should definitely be the backup SF to Thornton (and that’s if the Clips never play Kaman-Camby-Randolph up front). Play the best players, play the guys (Jordan, Davis3, Skinner, Novak) who play hard and with enthusiasm off the bench, not the ones who can’t make shots, who have gotten the minutes and failed to produce during 12 losses. This doesn’t apply to BD, who is the Clips’ star player. He needs to be supported by guys like Gordon who can shoot, rebound, and defend, and let him feed off the enthusiasm of other guys making plays.

Very painful transition, but Eric Gordon should be the Clips’ starting SG for a long time now.

by citizen zhiv on Nov 25, 2008 11:01 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ricky Davis isn't Ruben Patterson

But the minutes without productivity is definitely similar.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 25, 2008 11:09 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I missed patterson

Who doesn’t like his careless dribbling thru the lane w/ his head down. Or the fact that he was looking to fight other PFs.

He was a character.

by Qlippers on Nov 25, 2008 11:13 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We've all got our own spin...

But I pretty much agree all the way down the line. What concerns me most with Davis(2) isn’t as much the shooting as how slow he looks, and scouts have noticed as well. Not sure what kind of off season he had, but something hasn’t been right with him. Could be conditioning, disinterest, drugs, whatever. At 29, he shouldn’t be having such a steep decline, but you can’t ignore how poorly he’s looked.

Maybe in retrospect Gordon could have won us some games with more minutes earlier on, but maybe all that time on the bench will help him appreciate his opportunity all the more.

by ghost_ride on Nov 25, 2008 11:53 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I saw RD many times this summer...

…at the UCLA pickup games. He was there every day and he was working hard on his own game as well as giving Mike Taylor a lot of pointers (I guess Mike took it to heart).

Obviously, something is very wrong with RD’s output, but I feel pretty comfortable in saying it’s not due to the fact that he took the summer off – physically or mentally. He came to play and unfortunately it’s not translating.

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein

by Another son of Mike Smith on Nov 25, 2008 11:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

stupid knicks stupid knicks stupid knicks!

apparently they want a 1st round pick from the clippers too! But they only had until mid day today so I hope the clippers didn’t cave.

That really makes me angry. They think they’re entitled to everything. Look knicks, we did you a favor by taking on a horrible contract. In truth, I’d rather have cat back, so go ahead and call off the trade then!

here’s the article for clipsnation
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/11/24/2008-11-24_knicks_may_be_seeking_pick_as_cuttino_mo.html

by cantthinkofagoodname on Nov 25, 2008 11:34 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BDiddy

Warriors fan here who occasionally drops into this blog (kudos, it’s excellent). Just wanted to comment about the wrap around Baron’s mid-section: He’s worn that for years. You can see it after he dunked on Kirilenko in the playoffs a couple of years ago and lifted his jersey to “pop” it. I’m not exactly sure what it’s for – I always assumed it was sort of a girdle to give him more stability due to prior back issues, more of a precaution thing. On the larger point of Baron’s game, I thought I’d give my views after watching Baron closely for two and a half years, for what it’s worth. He visibly slowed down around mid-season last year. Whereas before he was frighteningly strong and explosive to the hole, that part of his game just disappeared around February. Most Warriors’ fans were furious with Nelson for playing him too many minutes – if you remember, Davis’ shining moment was in the playoffs against Dallas, after he had missed a good chunk of the season. I just think Baron is one of those players who for whatever reason had only so many top-tier games in him, and in my personal opinion he has hit the wall. As a Warrior’s fan, I’m not gloating – the Warriors have problems of their own and we could use a PG like Baron even in his current state. And he brought me the greatest thrills I’ve ever experienced as a hoops fan, and I’ll always love that about him. But I don’t think the image of Baron as an elite PG matches the reality anymore.

by DubsFan on Nov 25, 2008 12:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks

It’s not gloating, it’s giving us a sense of reality. I think many of us may have had the blinders on this entire time. Thinking back on it, Baron does look a lot slower and not nearly as explosive. We created the excuse that it may be MDsr’s offensive system (which it may still be), but I think your reality is more in line with the truth. BD is just slower than he used to be. The half court set offense may make it a bit more stagnant, but it shouldn’t hinder his explosiveness that much. We have all witnessed many fast breaks with BD leading the charge…. now let’s think back…. did he finish any of those EXPLOSIVELY like he used to? I can’t think of a single time.

by Newtybar on Nov 25, 2008 12:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think I'm ready to judge Davis

after 14 games. Give it time. His 8 APG are impressive.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Nov 25, 2008 2:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for your input

Sometimes the truth hurts…and your assessment of BD pains me.

by supac on Nov 25, 2008 3:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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