Knicks may be seeking pick as Cuttino Mobley physical hits snag
OK, this is actually pretty funny if you ask me.
- The Knicks made this trade for one reason - cap space in 2010.
- Cat Mobley, whose heart has not impacted a single day of his 11 year NBA career, will provide them with cap space in 2010 whether he plays or not.
- The Knicks have ZERO leverage in this. Call off the deal, Donnie. You're not getting a pick. You can have Z-Bo and his big fat contract back.
The good news is that this will be over soon.
Funny that two old Gamecocks are staring each other down. Hat tip to Citizen CTGN for finding this.
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that's got to be a joke
they actually want us to give them a pick for the pleasure of sucking Randolph’s contract.
It's Quite Remarkable...
I like Dunleavy’s take or leave it approach this time…if it doesn’t go through, it may be a bit awkward, but our depth issues at the 2 & 3 will be put to rest. Hopefully, in that scenario Thomas would be grabbing a lot of bench.
Well it doesn't make sense
He wanted to unload ZBo on us for free in the summer and now he wants a 1st rounder? LOL. If MDsr goes through with this, I may have to change my name to “FireDunleavy.com2”
If we add anything...
I’m registering killdunleavy.com. Yes, a bit perverse and possibly illegal but I’ll argue he’s not a human being as only a single cell organism would give up any more for a fat SOB like Z Bo.
No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities. -Christian Nestell Bovee
by ClipperChuck on Nov 25, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
I know you thought that would be funny...
but it really wasn’t. Can we try to have a little class around here please?
No, I was being serious
Moot point, trade has gone through. Fortunately we didn’t add anything. I still think Z Bo is a fat and worthless. I’m not the only one I’m sure as it wasn’t as if other teams we’re burning up the Knicks front office with offers. Oh wells… another 3 years of hopelessness ahead of us.
More than anything I’m baffled at our direction, do we really have no plan at all? I grew up in GA, is it too late to become a die-hard Hawks fan? I haven’t felt like this since FElton left us in a lurch. Being terrible is one thing but should we really be adding malcontents like Randolph? Give me a team of Shane Battiers and Chris Duhons, at least I can root for them without feeling like I’m watching a Kimbo Slice video. Oh me oh my…. : (
No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities. -Christian Nestell Bovee
by ClipperChuck on Nov 25, 2008 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
I sort of agree with ClipperChuck...
I don’t think we have any plan at all..Dunleavy is making moves in a desperate attempt to win a game or two. His role as GM and coach might be hurting the franchise now because this was a move to win a few games this year rather than for the long term stability of the franchise.
But on the other hand, I don’t think our team will play that much worse with Zach…Baron has been forcing up alot of bad shots, TT, Mobley, and Al would post up on isos and shoot over two defenders, and nobody would pass the ball. If you’re going to run the same offense as if EB were still here, then Zach is a better imitation of EB than TT was.
Overall, I’m curious to see how he will do tomorrow. My expectations for this Clippers team is so low right now that any win would be a surprise. I would prefer the rookies to get big minutes and build for some semblance of a future. Otherwise, the remaining ticket holders base just might give up entirely next year….especially with the economy getting worse…
by MichaelCage on Nov 25, 2008 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder
If we are actually close to a deal for Kaman that is dependent on this deal going through . . . If so, bold move by Walsh.
i agree with jax
it is a possibility. I posted this on another thread but I think the reasoning makes sense.
-The bobcats want a center
-the clippers want offense
-The bobcats want kaman and offer wallace
-the clippers counter with kaman for richardson
-Jason Richardson is injured so the trade cant go down immediatly
-since the contracts don’t match, the bobcats cut 2 players to take on another contract in the trade
-the trade is thus kaman and hart for richardson
-the trade is still wanting on jrich to pass the physical after his knee surgery.
-the clippers continue to deny reports of a trade so they can get kaman to play hard for them and maybe win some games in the meantime waiting for the trade to happen.
-but now the clippers lack low post scoring with only camby
-z-bo to the clippers for mobley and thomas
For the record, I wouldn’t mind trading Camby and the wolves pick for jrich, but nothing more.
by cantthinkofagoodname on Nov 25, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
99% positive that Kaman stays, as he should
Were you watching last night? Clippers have a shooting guard. There is no reason for them to trade away one of the best bigs in the league for a dime-a-dozen wing like Wallace or JRich. You just don’t do that, and Dunleavy knows it.
Believe me…Camby coming off the bench will be a lot more valuable than another wing.
F-Elton!
i love how you said "another wing"
because the clippers have no wings. we’re like a chicken. our wings dont work and we find ourselves on the KFC farm. jk
I agree with you I don’t think it would be a good trade. Kaman is a top 5 center, no doubt. But all I’m saying is the logic makes sense. Why else trade for zbo given how you already have 2 capable starting bigs? BTW in limited minutes, I don’t think camby will be any more of a game changer than brian skinner. Camby is a better player, but they will end up doing a lot of the same things if camby comes off the bench.
by cantthinkofagoodname on Nov 25, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Camby = Skinner
You will not find another person who agrees with this.
camby is a better player
but in limited minutes they pretty much do the same thing, block shots and rebound. limited minutes is the key phrase…
by cantthinkofagoodname on Nov 25, 2008 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
Camby will still be better...
In those limited minutes. Our bench plays…limited minutes…look what happens when they step on the court for those ….limited minutes…..
I would much rather have a talented person in limited minutes than a person with no talent that can’t make a wide open dunk in those same minutes.
Can Anyone Remember A Trade
where a team traded a quality starting center for a wing and didn’t later regret the trade.
I was at the Bobcats game last Saturday where they lost a 79-74 clunker to the Bucks and remember thinking the Cats really need J-Rich back. Without him, they can’t score enough to beat many teams. The Bobcats with Kaman would be a very boring, low scoring team. They would only make this deal because they can find a replacement for J-Rich much more easily than they can bring in a quality big man.
The Clippers should know what they have in Kaman. With the playoffs not looking too likely this year, a core of Baron, Kaman, EG and Thornton is going to be very strong if we keep them together.
wait wait i got a trades I can think of that involve starting C/PF's for G's
zbo traded to new york for francis and frye… oh wait thats a PG and a F/C,
ok lets try Shaq for marion? A C for a SF
still no?
Jermaine O’Neal to toronto for TJ ford?
by cantthinkofagoodname on Nov 25, 2008 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
I don't see your point?
Blazers hated Randolph so much they traded for a guard they bought out immediately and a backup big. They literally paid 20 million just to get rid of Randolph (our new addition sadly)
Suns made a desperation move parting with a player they were going to lose in a year anyways. Trade looks like a wash right now, Suns are playing well and Heat have to play super small ball as they have 3 undersized 4’s starting.
JON essentially hasn’t been on the Pacers for 3 years with injuries, good trade for both as Raptors had Calderon ready to step in for Ford and JON allowed the Raptors to move Bosh to PF where he is exploding this year.
No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities. -Christian Nestell Bovee
by ClipperChuck on Nov 25, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
I was answering the question posed by Clipcat
Can Anyone Remember A Trade where a team traded a quality starting center for a wing and didn’t later regret the trade
All of the trades I mentioned teams traded away starting big men for guards that I’m sure they don’t regret today
Let me just clarify people. I don’t want kaman to be traded! let me repeat that. I DON’T WANT KAMAN TO BE TRADED! But I’m saying why would the clippers trade for Zbo? It doesn’t make sense without another move? somebody just answer that question. Why trade for zbo if you already have 2 quality starting bigs?
by cantthinkofagoodname on Nov 25, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Is "because we're the Clippers sufficient?"
Because that alone is probably a strong enough argument.
Maybe its because we all know Camby is very fragile. Trade looks bad with our threesome of bigs making 35 million per year.
Kaman has been our home-grown talent. We drafted him out of a small school, waited patiently and rewarded last year with a breakout season. We even signed him to a long-term deal, even slightly overpaying him at the time. He’s far from perfect but he’s one of the few bright spots we’ve had since… well ever. If we end up trading him just so we could bring in Randolph I’m never going to spend another dime on the Clips. In fact I might even become a Lakers fan out of spite.
No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities. -Christian Nestell Bovee
by ClipperChuck on Nov 25, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
that might be a tad bit harsh. dont do it chuck, dont do it!
We’re clipper fans. We’re used to being a bad team and making dumb moves. But at least clipper fans know our basketball. Talk to any laker fan about their teams offseason moves. I have a friend who’s a laker fan that still insists Turif was traded. he swears it.
If a clipper fan becomes a laker fan, thats the equivalent of an olympic athlete in their prime joining the special Olympics. That’s like an average kid taking the short bus for fun. That’s like comparing a world class chess player to a 4 year old check player. DONT DO IT CHUCK, DONT DO IT! dont be a dreaded dumb lakers fan!
by cantthinkofagoodname on Nov 25, 2008 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
correction: Turiaf.
damn, even the thought of a lakers fan takes my IQ down by 3 points.
by cantthinkofagoodname on Nov 25, 2008 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Ok you talked me off the edge of the cliff
But honestly we are as a whole much more educated about basketball than the average Lakers fan. Maybe that’s why it hurts more, after all ignorance is bliss. Does a franchise that makes dumb move even deserve to have smart fans? It is tiring have to justify our allegiance to a front office that is just so inept.
No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities. -Christian Nestell Bovee
by ClipperChuck on Nov 25, 2008 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
Love the special Olympics comparison
I’m going to use it and cite it in my Laker banter
i dont think laker fans know what the special olympics are...
I can hear it now “didn’t kobe win the gold?”
by cantthinkofagoodname on Nov 25, 2008 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
Best thing I heard at a laker game
How is that traveling?! He only took 3 steps, 3 STEPS!!!!
Best thing I heard (part 2)
A guy sitting next to me lean over to his girlfriend and said that the tall white guy named Gasol was a rookie that the Lakers has recently drafted.
by MichaelCage on Nov 26, 2008 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
Best thing I heard (part 3)
I guy was trying to explain to me how Sasha is an allstar and better than Billups.
Mine
“Did we win the championship last year?”
haha these are all pretty funny.
someone should make a fanpost about this topic so we don’t hijack this thread anymore.
by cantthinkofagoodname on Nov 26, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
They have too many centers and too few SGs
How difficult is that to figure out people? They should move a center if they could. They shouldn’t keep a player just b/c they know what they have. They also know they have too few SGs.
Problem
If EG gets hurt they have no one. Repeat, no one.
Move Camby not Kaman
One is entering his prime, the other is declining and his contract expires in 2010. We’re going to be the big player in 2011 now it looks like so why not make a move for Vince Carter (who’s contract expires in 2011). He could use a change of scenery. The Nets want to woo Lebron to Brooklyn in 2010 and could use the extra cash to surround him with a running mate. A threesome of Devin Harris, Lebron and Bosh some talented youngsters would be formidable.
I think the Nets would entertain the idea of Camby, R Davis and Hart with a lottery protected 1st round pick.
No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities. -Christian Nestell Bovee
by ClipperChuck on Nov 25, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Taylor
Looks like the replacement for EJ right now…as evidenced by Monday’s game. Other than that, as much as I hate it, once Ricky Davis gets back we have him and Mardy to work with. It would be nice to have 10 starting caliber players on the team, but it’s not so easy to do.
Too Early to Give Up on Ricky
He is going to snap back into form eventually, and I’m ok waiting for that as long as EG is getting minutes. I suspect Mardy is going to get some minutes, too, and he might be useful in small doses.
The Clippers have looked terrible, but I still believe there is enough talent to compete with anyone. Chemistry, especially on offense, is what is missing. That’s on Dunleavy to fix, but his job won’t get any easier by more big trades.
I see the logic of trading Kaman or Camby, but I wouldn’t do it. If we traded for J-Rich or Vince, we would have a new problem finding enough shots for everyone. Kaman would rarely see the ball, and the development of Thornton and EG would suffer. I couldn’t see that team ever becoming a real contender.
Not that I'd trade for VC or JRich, but
why did we just take on $45 M and forego 2010 if we are not going to try to win now?
The team needs another reliable three point shooter / defender to play the three. It may be possible to get a fourth tier type without giving up Kaman or Camby. I don’t know. But it is clear that Camby or Kaman are expendable given the arrival of Randolph.
it's a little interesting that we're spending half of our teams total salary on 3 players for 2 positions
by cantthinkofagoodname on Nov 26, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
It's not an ideal situation
spending so much on two positions. But don’t confuse the amount of money paid to players with their relative value. We can also be thankful that the Clippers made two excellent first round draft picks. That sure wasn’t the same ole Clippers.
I would support trading for a shooting guard if I believed it would significantly improve the Clippers, but I just don’t think it would. I feel the best chance we have of winning now and in the future is to stick with our core, and I expect a lot of improvement out of them. If we don’t see that by mid-season, then it will be time to find a new coach.
why give up...
potentially the #1 pick?? Remember, it’s unprotected now.
Oh me, oh my!!!! The Red Baron has come home!!
That's why I said lottery protected
As long as we protect it outside of the lottery (which our history shows we have about a 85% chance of being in) it makes sense to me. Does Greek Shaq have any trade value?
No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities. -Christian Nestell Bovee
by ClipperChuck on Nov 25, 2008 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
no I think we would
have to pay someone to take him from us. Or at least pay for them to send him to boot camp or something.
Dunleavy would have to be an idiot to do this
if he does this he proves much FD.coms pleasure that he is incompetent in coaching and GM. If he doesn’t go through with it then he gets some respect from most of us. Come on Dunleavy forget about about Zbo you can get more for Mobley and Thomas later.
Dunleavy has more sense than this.
No way they get more. I don’t think he’s that much of an idiot.
by FireDunleavy.com on Nov 25, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Dunleavy really wants Randolph
but I don’t think he will bite on this. He said he is giving the Knicks until today.
We’ll see. I think Walsh blinks first.
F-Elton!
2010?
2010 can be taken off the table if the Knicks don’t agree to this trade.
Dont’ care if the trade doesn’t go thru.
Just don’t give up a 1st rounder
Especially considering we may end up getting a fairly high 1st round pick
considering the way this season is going.
So what do we do
if the deal falls apart. If Mobley and TT come back then it will be very very awkward. Would we immediately make another trade involving Mobley and TT or would we work them back into the system and trade them later in the season closer to the trade deadline like we should have any ways.
or at least tell we trade him
has something like this ever happened where two teams get so far into a trade and then it just gets stopped due to physical concerns?
Reading the NY Post Comments are funny
They are as bad as Laker Fans. Why can’t we trade ZBo for Amare??
Let’s be reasonable, Nobody wants ZBo’s contract. NYK just found a suitor and now they want more. Screw it, they have to watch from the sidelines in 2010 while LeBron goes to the Nets and Bosh elsewhere.
We should ask for more
At least the physical proves Mobley has a heart (if defective), that’s still better than 90% of the Knicks roster.
Heck, we should even ask for their 1st round pick. Honestly, I don’t know if I can root for a team with Ricky Davis and Zach Randolph, thats like voting for cancer to beat chemo.
No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities. -Christian Nestell Bovee
No he won't
The laws in LA will be to strict for him. He’ll have to make a lot of road trips to Vegas.
by FireDunleavy.com on Nov 25, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
That's BS
Dont worry Jim Hill will get ZBo in. Jim Hill is always at strip clubs before he does his CBS late night report.
LOL - random
I went to a strip club in downtown LA a few years ago as part of a bachelor party, and Hill was sitting there by himself, dressed to a T, surrounded by strippers. I was surprised to see him there but had forgotten about it until your post.
Great stuff!!
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