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Lakers 106 - Clippers 88

It's becoming eerie.  Not to mention depressing.

In each of the Clippers 5 games, they have gone through a brutal stretch of total incompetence.  17-0, 18-0, no field goals for 8 minutes... that sort of thing.  In 4 of 5 cases, the run has broken open a previously close game - in the other one, it erased a substantial Clipper lead to send the game into OT on the way to defeat.

Tonight the Clippers played well enough for 40 minutes to lead 81-79.  This, despite foul trouble for each of their three best players, and a discrepancy in fouls called of about 2 to 1.  But over the course of the next 7 minutes, the Lakers went on a 22-0 run (a new season high in runs allowed!).  It's never a good time to give up a 22-0 run.  But when you do it over the course of 7 minutes with 8 minutes left in the game, you don't leave yourself a lot of time to recover.

I'm at a loss.  Why does this keep happening?  Is it a lack of intensity?  When the other team steps up the level of play, do the Clippers simply not respond?  Is it a lack of conditioning?  Did so many key guys miss training camp that they're out of shape and sucking wind in the fourth quarter?  How can this be explained?  I'll tell you this much - it's no fun to watch.

I don't have a lot more to say about this game.  Like I said, for 40 minutes the Clippers looked pretty good.  Just like they looked OK for about 35 minutes against the Jazz on Monday, and for about 30 minutes in Utah before that.  Actually, if you graph how long the Clippers were competitive in each game, I guess the trend is encouraging.  At this rate, they'll wait for the last few minutes before they completey collapse against Houston on Friday.  Maybe they'll play a full game against Dallas this weekend.  (I hope that game doesn't go into overtime - it will be just enough time for a collapse at this current rate.)

Some bullet point thoughts:

  • Tim Thomas played well.  But he's still maddening at times.  His lasy pass was one of many lackadaisical plays that helped the Lakers during their run.
  • Baron had a great first half, but a disappointing second half.  Foul trouble did not help as far as that's concerned.
  • Mike Taylor looked really good.  At least he plays with energy, and I like the way he finishes for a little guy.
  • Bynum is a game-changer around the basket - particularly when officiating crews give him the benefit of every call.
  • Marcus Camby had 4 blocked shots in only 16 minutes of playing time.  It wasn't conditioning that kept him off the floor, but rather foul trouble.
  • During the 22-0 run, the Clippers attempted 5 threes and several other long jumpers.  So it's little wonder that they're not getting to the line.

For the fourth time in five games, the Clippers shot under 40%.  In the other one, they made it all the way to 40.3%.  If you can't shoot, and you can't get to the free throw line, you're not going to win a lot of NBA games.  One or both of those things needs to change quickly.

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These big epic collapses...

In a strange way, the way the stock market has been plummeting 300 points in the last 10 minute of trading and the way the Clippers have been collapsing is eerily similar. I sense a conspiracy of some kind, probably by evil short traders or a cabal of rogue referees fixing Clippers games.

On most real professional basketball teams, with real coaches and real NBA players, when the other team goes on like a 10-0 run, the coach usually calls a time-out, diagram a play, change some personnel and tries to get a good look/basket to break the run.

We haven’t been screwing up the time-out part (Dunleavy hasn’t broken his fingers jabbing his palm or spoken in Portugese to the referee) but everything else has been disastrous. We haven’t made any dramatic personnel changes to break the opponent’s run; we might subsitute Ricky Davis for Mobley, or Paul Davis for Brian Skinner and they usually take up space on the floor but don’t contribute much in the way of helping us get a bucket. I’m thinking, if the other team is on like 20-0 run and we haven’t scored a bucket in 8 minutes, wouldn’t it be good to try to put in some shooters like Novak or Gordon? If Millsap or Bynum is grabbing every loose ball for 5 minutes straight, shouldn’t we put in someone like DeAndre Jordan to body up on him? I mean how bad can the rookies be? Are we afraid that the run is going to baloon to 68 – 0 or something? Heck we’re already down by 25.

Generally, we’ve been trying to force the ball into Kaman on those crucial plays or it ends up with Mobley or TT shooting a prayer of a fade away. So the run continues unabated. I want to know the NBA record for the most unanswered points in an NBA game or across multiple NBA games. I mean we should set a very high goal here. Not only can we go 3 or 4 quarters where the other team score on us unanswered, we can stretch it out over two or three games where we get outscored like 280 – 0 and own this record for all of eternity.

by MichaelCage on Nov 5, 2008 11:21 PM PST reply actions  

Well, the record for second half futility is still held by the Hornets to my knowledge

Locked down by your Los Angeles Clippers on 3/1/06. Yes Chris Paul and David West played.

The Hornets went more than a quarter without scoring and more than 14 minutes without a field goal. So that’s going to be tough to beat. They scored only 8 in each of the 3rd and 4th quarters. So the 08-09 Clippers might get only 8 once, but twice is a tall order.

The Clippers went on a 19-5 run, immediately followed by a 19-0 run.

So if you want to shoot the moon, thats the current target.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Nov 6, 2008 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

There was actually a drought in the 2nd quarter

but their defense kept them in it. The Clips missed 14 shots in a row, I believe. I’m also curious as to why Bynum gets all the calls when he is a relatively new and young guy in the league. I’m really frustrated by Ricky Davis as well. Paul Davis is a sloth out there and he doesn’t hussle. At this point, I don’t see any issues with putting DeAndre in the game. I don’t think he could hurt us anymore than those guys could.

by Newton Pham on Nov 5, 2008 11:27 PM PST reply actions  

Someone really needs to look into the officiating of this game...

Seriously. I don’t think it could be more blatantly obvious how bias this game was officiated. It’s not the refs fault that we couldn’t put the ball in the hole during the 4th and I’m in no way saying that. However, the officiating was definitely unbalanced. Everyone saw it, even Laker fans.

by Newton Pham on Nov 5, 2008 11:32 PM PST reply actions  

agreed.

a good example is when they gave that foul on bynums dunk to camby, when replays obviously showed kaman hacked him.

Dodgers - 2008 NL West Champions

Tim Hightower for ROY.

by wongy on Nov 5, 2008 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

agree, but clippers should not let that bother them

Another example might be the technical foul called on BD as compared to the non-call on Lamar Odom’s flailing of his arm. Did the league not say that should be an automatic technical?

As for the free throw disparity, I would have to say it was half the ref’s fault, half clippers fault for jacking up so many jumpers. Credit Al Thornton for taking it to the hole and drawing fouls (that were not called).

by ClipperHuy on Nov 6, 2008 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

The two worst parts of every Clipper Laker games are

1)listening to the constant screaming from every Laker player at any sort of contact. No other team I watch on league pass throws their arms around and scream in mid-air like the Lakers. It’s almost like Kobe’s personality for doing this has spread to the whole team.

2) listening to Laker announcers. Annoying voice play by play guy and “I sound like a 8-year old talking to action figures” color commentary guy. I also get a special feeling when Stu does the following exchange:
    Bynum pushes Kaman in the back and gets a rebound:
Stu: "Oh the big fella would not be denied. He said ‘hey I have long arms might as well use them’ then he said ‘Excuse me Kaman stay on the ground while I show off’ then he turned and threw the ball to Kobe and said ’I’m playing point guard next week people, that was such a good outlet pass’……Then He-man said ‘Hey ’Drew you need to be one of the Masters of the Universe’ and Bynum said ‘Oh no I’m already Master of LA’

by HeardYouLooking on Nov 6, 2008 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Um...

Why aren’t you listening to Ralph and Mike?

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 6, 2008 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

I’m in SF and the Comcast League Pass feed regularly does the Lakier announcers vs. Clippers.

by HeardYouLooking on Nov 7, 2008 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Ah.. that explains it

I I feel for you in that case. Joel and Stu are not good.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 7, 2008 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

really disappointed in ricky davis this season. they should be playing eric gordon more and ricky less. i also vote that deandre gets some PT rather than paul davis. paul blocks a few shots here and there, but its not worth the playing time he gets. same with brian skinner.. after watching him botch that “gimme” dunk.

clippers had it plain and simple.

Dodgers - 2008 NL West Champions

Tim Hightower for ROY.

by wongy on Nov 5, 2008 11:55 PM PST reply actions  

Ricky looks lost...

Really lost, he passed up a lot of open shots. One shot was in the 2nd when he juked his defender to get open then hesitates and makes a bad pass which is intercepted.

I’m not sure what his deal is. It seems like he is trying very hard to be a good soldier and that’s not really who he is, his game is suffering from it.

I can’t believe I’m saying this but, go back to being Ricky Buckets.

by Newton Pham on Nov 6, 2008 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice recap, some signs of hope

It was an encouraging game for Clips Fans. Camby and Kamen can play well together, whenever they are actually on the floor at the same time. Foul trouble hampered any real sense of continuity in the 4th. MDsr probably should have kept Baron on the floor after the 5th foul, but once again, he’s sometimes too conservative.
it was close, a few plays here and there could have kept the Clippers in the game longer. Plays like the missed dunk by Skinner, TT’s mystifying lazy pass, Thornton making one of his many missed layups, etc.
-Don’t think we’ll be see much of Novak as long as Thornton and TT and Paul Davis are healthy and productive. He’s a superb shooter, but he just doesn’t really have a position to play, even on the Clips.

I love LAC.

by oasisman on Nov 5, 2008 11:55 PM PST reply actions  

Taking BD out was the right call.

I believe at that point MT was doing pretty well and the score was 81-81. He can’t be guilty for feeling that the Clips couldn’t stay in it. The decision was, have Baron now and potentially not down the stretch or have him for the last 5 minutes.

Make no mistake there was contact and no calls on many of Thornton’s missed layups, Lawler even commented on it.

On teams like Houston, Paul Davis should be alright with the slow bigs. However, on teams like the Lakers with athletic bigs, let’s put him on the inactive list and activate DJordan.

by Newton Pham on Nov 6, 2008 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

BD or MT

I agree, the fact that Mike Taylor was playing well probably made that decision what it was. The thing I wish Coach would do is not wait until after the 6 minute mark of the 2nd qtr to put BD back in the game. This has happened several times and I think it cools him off too much.

by ClipperHuy on Nov 6, 2008 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

The problem is...

Baron has yet to play well in a fourth quarter this season. He missed a lot of conditioning in camp with the flu and then the finger… it seems like he’s wearing down. So getting him on the court may seem like the right thing to do in the 2nd, but what does it mean in the 4th?

The good news is that Taylor played so well. If he can do that, then we can leave Baron on the bench a little more. In the end, it was Baron’s 5 fouls that limited his effectiveness as much as anything.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 6, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Getting There

One thing I’ve noticed, especially against the Lakers, is that BD came out firing, putting up big numbers early in the 1st, but unfortunately fading late. 7/21 isn’t gonna get it done…especially considering he had a hot start. Until we see him putting together two good halves, we’re not going to do much. Our team goes as our PG goes, and thank goodness Taylor continues to impress. The better he gets, the better it is for everyone.

Tim Thomas…definitely a guy to bring in off the bench when we need some scoring. His overall carelessness and lack of hustle and defense doesn’t usually add up to positive production. Tonight was a mixed bag, but he offered scoring when we really needed it to kick off a late 2nd quarter surge.

Kaman managed to have a -22 in 29 minutes. Not one of his better games.

Mobley logged close to 39 minutes…he did well to not take too many shots, not turn the ball over, and play solid D, which led to only a 4 on the +/ scale.

Playing time. A lot of us seem to agree that the rookies are looking good, though EJ & DeAndre aren’t getting enough PT. Would much rather see Novak & DeAndre active than Davis(3) & Hart.

by ghost_ride on Nov 6, 2008 1:15 AM PST reply actions  

Good point about Boom

As you said, “Our team goes as our PG goes.” Period. Point blank. Baron’s clearly gassing in the second half (zero points in the 4th!) and it’s all a process. He’s not in great shape and he’s starting to press and force things. Hopefully he’ll get better as the weeks progress.

I can’t stress enough that this is pre-season for us. It will take about 10-15 games before we’re flowing. THEN we can see what we have.

by madglove on Nov 6, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

You're Right

Right now it’s a mix of gelling as a team and getting healthy, but at least we’re starting to see improvement. That preseason game against the Lakers really screwed with mine and a lot of other people’s prognostications. But really, that was the healthiest we’ve seen Baron Davis and we saw the results. As Steve mentioned, BD missed out on conditioning because of the flu, then had the hand issue, then the hip issue. He’s been pressing to play just because we need to post a “W”, but until he’s fully healthy, we’re not firing on all cylinders.

by ghost_ride on Nov 6, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

One common thread

is that Eric Gordon has been glued to the bench during each of these runs, or if he has been on the floor he has been invisible.

Mike Taylor was impressive last night. For a lottery team he just might be a decent option for a backup point guard.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 6, 2008 7:18 AM PST reply actions  

Is it time to trade for Vince Carter?

Is it time to get rid of Mobley and Tim Thomas? Time to forget 2010??

by Qlippers on Nov 6, 2008 7:47 AM PST reply actions  

no...the schedule will get easier after the next two...

and I think they’ll compete against houston…the lakers got such an easy starting schedule…

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 6, 2008 7:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps if Carter could play some D

because I think that is what the team needs a little more of.

I thought the Clips looked pretty good in stretches last night, so I am optimistic.

They just need to gel a little more.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Nov 6, 2008 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

tim thomas

Tim Thomas needs to get rid of his post up game. Nothing good ever comes out of it. The Tim Thomas that I love to see is the one in the 2nd quarter, when he was running the floor and spotting up outside the three point line and baron was finding him for easy buckets. Thats the Thomas that we saw in Pheonix and I believe thats the way we can get the most out of him. Stop giving him the ball in the post and isolating him that way.

by clipschamps on Nov 6, 2008 8:14 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed

TT needs to know if his back is to the basket pass it out

by Qlippers on Nov 6, 2008 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

It's not the post up game per se

The problem isn’t Thomas’ post up game, which can be effective. It’s the way in which the Clippers insist on running isos to the exclusion of everything else. Thomas and Mobley are the worst cases, but it happens with others as well. They iso, everyone else stands, and they convert about 1 in 5. When Thomas has good post position, great, get him the ball. If nothing is happening, kick it back out and reverse it, or repost, or SOMETHING. But running a post up iso when the player never established good position in the first place is a disaster.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 6, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes

I pointed that out the other day. Another attendant problem with running isos incessantly for TT, who MDSr obviously loves to put in that position, is that he now must defend on the other end, which doesn’t always work out well (see Millsap).

by Jax on Nov 6, 2008 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Half agree...

TT was actually fairly effective down low and cutting in yesterday. He’s being active and I like that. It also allows him to spread the floor in different manners. If the opposing teams knows TT may drive it in…he may not follow TT out to the 3pt line, living him open. You have to mix it up.

by Newton Pham on Nov 6, 2008 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

TT to the cup

I think TT needs to give us a good mix of spotting up and driving hard to the rim, which I felt he did well last night. I’d rather the Clips not take too many 3’s unless their jersey says Novak on it. BTW, we need to activate him and get some deep threats to free up Kaman a bit.

by ClipperHuy on Nov 6, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Gordon was glued to the bench because he took a shot Dunleavy didn’t like. Dunleavy needs to be able to control him before he can play him.

Typical Dunleavy loss. You knew this would happen. Refs are not going to be responsible for a 22-0 run. They were letting stuff go on both sides. Clippers have lost by an average of 20 pts a game.

by FireDunleavy.com on Nov 6, 2008 9:26 AM PST reply actions  

FD that's a great point

He gave an opportunity for Eric Gordon to come in the game. EJ squandered it a bit by taking a hasty shot which clanked off the front of the rim.

Shot clock wise, it was a bit hasty. I don’t think it was a “bad” shot though because he was open. He needs to get more than one shot before getting taken out of the game. Look how long RD’s leash is.

by Newton Pham on Nov 6, 2008 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Gordon is hesitant b/c he’s a rookie…but hell, let him play

I think we should start a Gordon Chant at the games….

by Qlippers on Nov 6, 2008 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I just have one person on board

Anyone else going to Friday and Sunday games? Lets get Gordon some PT

by Qlippers on Nov 6, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Gordan Chant will start

I’m going to start chanting for Gordon as soon as Ricky D and Mobley start missing shots.

by MichaelCage on Nov 6, 2008 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

so

during warm-ups then?

by supac on Nov 6, 2008 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

maybe in mid draught

When we’re mired in another 0 for 12 slump and the other team is on a 22 – 0 run, lets start screaming for Gordon. I’m also going to call Dunleavy a nincompoop and other derogatory names if that will help.

by MichaelCage on Nov 6, 2008 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Nincompoop...

Not your everyday chant. Good luck getting that one started.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 7, 2008 7:10 AM PST up reply actions  

hehe

We’re in the process of moving to another section closer to the bench so I can call a Dunleavy a nincompoop. We found a good section tonight, lots of passionate fans who let their displeasure be heard, leaving us content to watch the proceedings…now for our season ticket rep guy to make it happen. Gordon finally got some minutes tonight and did pretty well.

by MichaelCage on Nov 7, 2008 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Tim Thomas had a good game...

…statwise, but he is, and has always been his whole career, a guy with great natural gifts but a flawed individual who commits mental mistakes at crucial times.

by saxmanager on Nov 6, 2008 10:59 AM PST reply actions  

was it just me...

or was everybody just waiting for dryspell to show up again after the half? You just know it’s coming…very agonizing way to watch a basketball game…

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 6, 2008 12:00 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah...

We were all waiting, though it didn’t happen as soon as we expected…so at least there’s that.

by ghost_ride on Nov 6, 2008 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually...

It happened in the second quarter, and again at the beginning of the fourth. But each time, the Clippers continued to play solid defense, actually gathered themselves, and regained the lead. It was encouraging at the time. But it turned out to be fool’s gold, when the biggest drought of them all hit a few minutes later.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 6, 2008 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

i suspect after the second time around

it must be discouraging as a player…thus the blowouts…it’s like an endless cycle…

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 6, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

It WAS agonizing

I mean…it’s just not healthy to be afraid and on pins and needles an entire ballgame.

by Newton Pham on Nov 6, 2008 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I like the analysis but...

my own view would emphasize the progression and the “encouraging trend” of when the breakdown occurs. This was very different from previous collapses, and came much later. And what we’re painfully, excrutiatingly watching is essentially the preseason. This team is starting with both a handicap and a tough schedule. It’s going to get better very soon, barring new injuries, but the question will be whether they can make it up.

“Why is this collapse different from all other collapses?” (Manishtanah halilah collapse—can the Clips be above .500 by Hannukah?) Because of bad refereeing. The trick with all of the calls against the Clips was the way that it affected the middle of the game and then set up the 4th quarter. Call after call was going against the Clips and bailing out the Lakers. The way that the Clips battled through the 2nd, holding down the Lakers when the Clips went on their first significant drought, and won the 3rd was very impressive, especially Taylor going after Farmar.

But it was all set up for a crash in the 4th, when Davis, Kaman, and Camby were all on the edge from the very start. Once again (as with Utah 2), just when Camby was active and influencing the game, he had to head to the bench. The impact of the 5th foul on Davis was obvious. Again, it’s not that the 4th or 5th foul on any of these guys was an especially bad call or anything, it’s the fact that one or two or even three of the first four fouls shouldn’t have been whistled (or wouldn’t have been, if it was the Lakers). The Clips battled against this the whole game, and it all crashed down when Baron got his 5th foul, Camby was already on the bench with his, and Kaman had just come back in.

And this is against a stacked team which has no real weakness, matches up against the Clips’ strength, that has a dynamic bench. This game was real progress, and the collapse was very different. It’s great to have Camby playing and BD out there, and things are going to start clicking very soon. Maybe it won’t be soon enough, but it will be a lot more fun to watch. The degree to which the Clippers are competing and getting better with every game is very significant.

by citizen zhiv on Nov 6, 2008 3:01 PM PST reply actions  

I agree about the officiating and its effects.

I really think the officiating of this game needs to get called to attention

by Newton Pham on Nov 6, 2008 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

The refs?

Wow 4 paragraphs crying about the refs. It’s always the refs. I didn’t think they were that one sided last night, and you should know the Lakers will tend to get more calls because they are the Lakers and went to the finals last year. That’s the way it’s always worked.

by FireDunleavy.com on Nov 6, 2008 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Good trend

it seems like we are getting better. And if we hadn’t gotten those fouls (many of which were ticky tack fouls that wouldn’t have been called if the Lakers had made them) we may have very well won. And I am optimistically hopeful that we could win against the Rockets Fri.

by bestclipfan on Nov 6, 2008 7:00 PM PST reply actions  

Rockets...

Hopefully they’ll have a triple overtime game tonight in Portland!

by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Nov 6, 2008 7:25 PM PST reply actions  

Rockets...part 2

With the way our luck has been this year, the Rockets will lose tonight’s game in the last second of regulation on a controversial foul and they will come out steaming and pissed off against us tomorrow. By the first quarter of tomorrow’s game, we will be behind like 39 – 0 and Dunleavy still won’t play EG until there’s only 1 minute left in the game and we’re behind 150 – 12…upon which EG will hit a three pointer at the buzzer to make the score semi-respectable; 150-15.

by MichaelCage on Nov 6, 2008 9:01 PM PST reply actions  

oh noes

Dang it I jinxed us…Roy hit a miraculous 3 pointer with .8 seconds left to win it for Blazers >< Now Houston is going to be pissed and will take it out on us! It was a great game though…reminds me why I love NBA basketball, something easily forgotten when you watch the Clips fold, time and time and time again in exactly the same way.

by MichaelCage on Nov 6, 2008 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

That was a great game. They stopped the clock right after yao let the ball go though. I guess they stopped the clock because of the foul even though the ball is still in the air.

Rockets could be tired taking a late night flight. Good chance for a win Friday.

by FireDunleavy.com on Nov 6, 2008 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Calling it...

Tomorrow will be our most winnable game since Denver. As fun as this losing streak has been, I have a feeling it’s gonna end tomorrow night.

by ghost_ride on Nov 6, 2008 9:17 PM PST reply actions  

thanks to TMac's lousy D

I think the clips have a chance against houston

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 6, 2008 10:56 PM PST reply actions  

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