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Clippers vs. Rockets - Game Preview and Open Thread

Houston @ Los Angeles Clippers


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0-5 3-2
Staples Center
November 7, 2008 - 7:30 PM
TV: FSN West
Probable starters:
Baron Davis
PG Rafer Alston
Cuttino Mobley
SG Tracy McGrady
Al Thornton SF Ron Artest
Marcus Camby
PF Luis Scola
Chris Kaman
C Yao Ming

The Big Picture:

The Clippers are 0-5, their worst start in a decade.  Now, if you're wondering how bad it can get, let's hope that it doesn't reach the point of that 1999 team.  In that strike shortened season, the Clippers started 0-17.  As for tonight, the Rockets are tough and have a lot of talent, but you have to figure that the Clippers are happy to see anyone other than the Lakers and the Jazz right about now.  They've opened the season with four of their five games against those two opponents who have always owned the Clippers over the years.  So even with three all stars on the roster, the Clippers figure to be happy just to see another team.  They'll have to play well (certainly better than they have) if they want to get their first win of the season.  It will be the second game in which the Clippers should field their regular starting five.

The Antagonist:

The Rockets added Ron Artest to a team that won an NBA season high 22 straight games last year and made the playoffs, and they didn't give up much to get him.  So as you might imagine, expectations are through the roof in Houston.  With Yao Ming at center, Tracy McGrady and Artest on the wings, and Argentine power forward Luis Scola, point guard play may be their only weakness.  That, and the eventual controversy that Artest will somehow create.  And the seeming inability of their stars to stay healthy.  But they're healthy tonight, and that poses a major challenge for the Clippers.  The matchups in this one are not good (see below).  The Rockets started the season 3-0, but have since lost 2 straight, including in Overtime in Portland last night.  The tough game on the front of a road back-to-back might mean that the Rockets are tired in Staples tonight.  Then again, the close loss may have them extra motivated to get a road win against the winless Clippers.

The Subplots

  • The matchups.  At center, big centers have traditionally destroyed Chris Kaman, and Yao is as big as they come.  But don't expect Marcus Camby to draw the assignment, as he gives away even more size to Yao.  Kaman gets the assignment, and we'll have to see how he does.  On the wings, Cat will have to try to contend with TMac (quick fact, they were traded for each other a few years back) and Al Thornton will have his hands full with Artest, especially on offense.  And if Camby roams too much, Scola may have a big game with his nifty work around the basket.  Baron Davis versus Skip-to-my-Lou is the only matchup that clearly tilts in the Clippers favor.  Baron will have to have a big game.
  • Conditioning.  As we are all painfully aware, the Clippers have gone through some horrible stretches in all five of their games.  Most of the time it's been in the second half, and fourth quarters in particular have been brutal, most recently as the gave up a 22-0 run to the Lakers after taking an 81-79 lead with 8 minutes to go.  We've been wondering if conditioning has been part of the problem, since so many key players missed so much time in training camp.  Ramona Shelburne has some quotes from MDsr on her blog that confirm that it's at least part of the problem.    "We've run out of gas. I've got to figure a way around that, maybe shorter stints minutes wise.  You can't trust players. You ask a guy, `How do you feel?' and next thing you know they just drop off a cliff."  This is going to get better as the players get into game shape (the old-fashioned way, by playing games), but it needs to happen soon.
  • The Eric Gordon chant.  Some Citizens of Clips Nation have pledged to start an Eric Gordon chant at Staples tonight to try to get more court time for the promising rookie.  In today's LA Times, Lisa Dillman writes about the difficulty of the transition from High School and College star to NBA benchwarmer.  Although he made a brief first half appearance Wednesday night, EJ has yet to receive any sustained minutes outside of garbage time, and has been unable to get into the flow of any game.  The glimmer of hope may be that MDsr continues to speak highly of the kid; might we see more of him tonight?  According to Dillman "Dunleavy hinted that Gordon would probably be getting increased playing time, making a point of praising his play in practice Thursday."
  • Camby's heel.  Marcus Camby played 26 minutes in his first game back against Utah, followed by only 16 against the Lakers.  Those 16 minutes were at least in part a result of foul trouble.  But while we were encouraged by some good health reports following the game against the Jazz, apparently Marcus is not out of the woods yet.  According to Dillman, the heel is still sore, and his minutes will likely remain limited.  Too bad - he blocked 4 shots in his 16 minutes against the Lakers, and he clearly helps the Clippers on both ends of the floor.  
  • How do they score? This bullet was in my preview before the Lakers game, and it remains a big issue.  The Clippers scored 27 points in the first 9 minutes Wednesday when they were getting up and down the floor and their shots were falling.  They scored a meager 61 over the next 39 minutes, but at least the cracked the 80 point barrier in a regulation game for the first time this season.  The shot under 40% for the fourth time in five games and are shooting 39% on the season.  Prolonged scoring droughts have been a feature of all five games, and they've been excruciating to watch.  Baron Davis has got to be the one to pull them out of these dry spells - he's the superstar, he's got to find a way to create some scores. 
  • Free throws.  On the very young season, the Clippers are averaging just over 22 free throw attempts per game, which is 23rd out of 30 NBA teams.  On top of that, they're shooting them poorly, and rank 27th in makes.  The disparity in FTA's in the last two games has been particularly stark: 45-15 in favor of the Lakers, 31-20 for the Jazz.  During 8 seasons of Corey Maggette, the Clippers were among the better teams at getting to the line, so we're not used to this.  And the free throw line is one way to overcome poor shooting, which the Clippers have suffered from in spades.  Thornton needs to do a better job of creating contact at the rim (although the refs did him no favors against the Lakers) and Baron needs to get to the line (and convert when he gets there).  This is also an area where more time for Gordon should help - he took a bunch of free throws in pre-season.  The problem of course is that the Clippers have been relying on jump shots a lot so far, so fewer free throws come with the territory. 
  • Trending positive?  Although the margin of victory remains pretty consistent (the only close game being the OT loss to Denver), the Clippers have remained competitive a little longer in each game as the season has progressed.  In game 1, things fell apart in the 2nd quarter.  In game 2, although they remained tied until the end of regulation, it was early in the third when Denver started to take large chunks out of the 18 point half time lead the Clippers had built.  Game 3, the game was tied 60-60 with 5 minutes to go in the third.  Game 4, the wheels came off in the final minute of the third.  And in game 5, it was 4 minutes into the fourth.  It's actually pretty interesting - if you were to plot the last 4 collapses on a graph, it's almost a straight line.  If you believe in such things, the Clippers will lose again tonight, after playing well until about 4 minutes remaining in the game.  But the same trend implies that they will soon be able to put together a full 48 minutes of solid basketball, so maybe that will be tonight.

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Good Writeup. I Look Forward to these Every Gameday Morning

I think a big factor in tonight’s game will be Tim Thomas (believe it or not) and how MDsr handles the second unit. I too get the feeling that Camby’s heel is still bothering him, which is why despite foul trouble during the huge run he didn’t just Camby in there to get more feel.

Tim Thomas has been a key factor in us staying in games, while Camby is out. If he breaks down and reverts to old lazy not caring TT, I think we will be in deep trouble. Right now, no one else is stepping up. I would even argue Thornton hasn’t shown me the fire. Ironically our historically passionless player TT is showing the most. Something is wrong with this picture.

I’m sorry, but Paul Davis does not come across to me as any more effective than DeAndre. He’s slow, couldn’t keep up and fumbled the ball several times. Let’s activate Jordan and get him some time out there.

…I still have nightmares about Brian Skinner’s missed open dunk…by open I mean completely no one around within 8 feet open.

by Newtybar on Nov 7, 2008 9:41 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thomas

I almost put Thomas in the preview, but it was getting pretty long. He’s been much better than expected, and possibly the Clippers best player so far (eek). The shooting has been so bad, that TT’s barely better than 40% looks ok by comparison, and he actually managed 11 boards against the Lakers. He’s shown flashes of real aggressiveness on offense.

If he can be a positive force off the bench, the team could be pretty good. But it implies that he belongs on the bench, and that means that Al and Cat and Kaman have to play better.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 7, 2008 9:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Playing Time

Eric Gordon: I’m with the rest of Clipper Nation on this one. The guy is far too agressive to leave him sitting on the bench. I think him, BD and Al Thornton are a great answer to those long scoreless streaks that have been plaguing us. They can get to the rim and to the foul line (and yes, getting there is only half the battle).

Paul Davis vs Deandre Jordan: Why are we even discussing this issue? Of all the Davis’s on the team, this isn’t the one that is going to determine whether or not we are a playoff team. But if you really want to discuss it, here you go. Yes, we need some strong center play off the bench. And I think everyone will agree that void has not been filled yet. So why not develop the rook? I vote for DJ.

by ClipperHuy on Nov 7, 2008 10:21 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good job

I’m with Newtybar in that I look forward to these previews every game day. Keep up the great work Steve!

A couple of thoughts:

- Yao destroys Kaman. It’s usually not pretty either. I’m nervous about this match-up and the team is going to need to double down a lot. Whether Houston’s shooters can make us pay for that will be a determining factor in this game.

- Carl Landry is another bruising big man off the bench. Not quite as rugged at Milsap (few are) but still capable of frustrating the Clippers with his energy and hustle around the bucket. He was part of some crucial plays in last night’s game vs. Portland.

- Houston’s heartbreaker yesterday. If anyone saw that game, they had the game in the bag after Yao hit that free throw. If not for Roy’s absurd 31 footer with 0.8 seconds left, Houston would be feeling pretty good about themselves right now. Unfortunately, they come into Staples tonight with their first loss fresh in their heads. I expect them to come out strong early and try to run the Clips off the court. We have to match that intensity early and hope that Houston starts feeling the effects of OT and travel.

- Playing the rooks. Fans want Dunleavy to play Taylor, and Gordon, AND Jordan. That’s just unrealistic. Name me one team with playoff aspirations that has THREE rookies in its rotation. NONE. You never play that many rookies because even if they’re more talented than the vets, they routinely blow defensive assignments and rotations. Even Gordon in the Shulburne article was quoted as saying he needs to work on his team D. These are things that we as fans don’t pay attention to and often miss. This isn’t the D-League, I don’t want to see 3 rooks out there. I hope EJ gets more run, but we’re not seeing Jordan this year.

by madglove on Nov 7, 2008 11:06 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Portland

The Blazers are playing Batum and Rudy right now, will certainly start Oden when he’s healthy, and may well play Bayless later in the year. (Of course Batum is playing partly because Webster is out.) But they’re a special case, especially given that Oden was a number 1 overall and Rudy was a pro in Spain. Having said that, I essentially agree with your conclusion: EJ will play before too much longer (look at Al’s trajectory last year and adjust down some) and Jordan will be in the D-League, barring front court injuries and/or the Clippers being so far down that MDsr no longer cares about winning at all.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 7, 2008 1:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right

There’s just not that many teams that were able to make 3 solid draft picks this or any other year. It just comes down to playing the best players on your squad.

Dunleavy made the change w/ Taylor, and has hinted at the same w/ Gordon. Whatever we think of Jordan, it’s clear he’s gonna have to earn his time in practice and convince Dunleavy he’s better than Paul Davis. We know Davis is one of Dunleavy’s guys, so it will be extra dificult, though Davis doesn’t seem to be proving his meddle yet, and it may be only a matter of time until he gets injured.

by ghost_ride on Nov 7, 2008 2:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FWIW

Paul was inactive tonight for the first time… they opted for Novak instead, leaving Jordan in street clothes still. It would seem to be a vote of no confidence in PD. I can’t see how you want fewer bigs against the Rockets.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 7, 2008 10:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I saw the attendence was only 12k for the Utah game. Probably get more tonight because it’s Friday and Yao, but 12k for any game means a lot of people canceled season tickets.

by FireDunleavy.com on Nov 7, 2008 11:37 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was at that game

I meant to say something about attendance… thanks for reminding me. As you know, if it was announced at 12K, the actual attendance was far less. And indeed, Staples looked about half empty. It was the worst crowd I’ve seen in years. Much worse even than the dreadful end of the season last year.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 7, 2008 1:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Economic Woes

& The prevalence of HD TV could really hurt the Clippers attendance this year. Plus who wants to see Utah, especially w/out Deron Williams?

The W’s are gonna have to come strong to reverse that trend.

by ghost_ride on Nov 7, 2008 2:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't see it hurting the Lakers

It’s due to a lot of people canceling their season tickets because of Dunleavy’s moves and coaching. No one wants to see a team that has no chance of making the playoffs. HD will never replace going to the game

by FireDunleavy.com on Nov 7, 2008 3:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

winning is the key to attendance...

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 7, 2008 3:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that must be it

All those season ticket cancellations are the direct result of MDSr’s personnel and coaching decisions. Nothing to do with the economy. Maybe he should be fired. Oh wait…how clever…

by supac on Nov 7, 2008 3:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dunleavy is responsible for the W/L record.

Clippers have the 11th highest ticket price and are 27th in the league in salary. If the Clippers have a winning record, people will come to the games. Besides the long list of Dunleavy’s other screw ups, if Brand signs there’s 17k at the game instead of 12 paid and 8 actual.

by FireDunleavy.com on Nov 7, 2008 4:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh...

And Brand not signing is Dun’s fault how?

Actually, n/m, don’t answer. You clearly aren’t able to make an unbiased argument.

by madglove on Nov 7, 2008 4:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GM is responsible for players

Bottom line is the product put on the floor isn’t worth the money they asking for tickets. All I want is wins. Dunleavy is on his 6th year here.
Here’s a link to a yahoo news site to why Dunleavy is responsible for Brand leaving:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ai9yZNC6VC625Jbd7jRgi.85nYcB?slug=aw-brandfalk070908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

by FireDunleavy.com on Nov 7, 2008 4:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Read your own article

“Brand is a grown-up, responsible for his own choices, but Falk will forever be framed as the reason everything fell apart there.

I rest my case.

by madglove on Nov 7, 2008 5:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And it’s Dunleavy’s fault for screwing with Falk. What Dunleavy did was also against the collective bargin agreement of the players union and he should know better. If Dunleavy didn’t go behind Falk’s back this might not have happened.

Dunleavy said he expected Brand and Maggette to both be back this year. How can it not be his fault when he’s the GM. He’s had 6 years to build this team and most experts don’t pick the Clippers to make the playoffs.

by FireDunleavy.com on Nov 7, 2008 6:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You fail

What date, precisely, was MDSr named GM?

What date, presicely, did all your allegations happen?

You fail at logic and I suspect you fail at life.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Nov 7, 2008 10:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CS should publicly admonish those who stoop so low

as to personally attack the character of other posters.

That is unnecessary.

by Jax on Nov 7, 2008 11:42 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Firedunleavy.com takes care of request to give MDsr his walking papers...

I’m just saying winning and attendance go hand in hand…

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Nov 7, 2008 4:33 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there are lots and lots of empty seats

Yeah our season ticket rep mentioned that they lost like 40% of their season ticket base from last year…partly because of EB leaving, but mostly becaues the economy has gone down the tubes…

by MichaelCage on Nov 7, 2008 11:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't waste my time debating with FD

Just a hint to help keep your blood pressure down.

by Newtybar on Nov 7, 2008 6:09 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like he said

His goal isn’t to be taken seriously.

What’s higher than being taken seriously, I can’t imagne.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Nov 7, 2008 10:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

single digit loss

Progress is being made!

I love LAC.

by oasisman on Nov 7, 2008 9:56 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why all the support

for Dunleavy? He clearly was the GM all summer and he has had six years to do something, and other then one playoff run what has he done to earn such loyalty? You all enjoy watching lousy and boring basketball? I’ve got seats this year just like I’ve had for most of the last 17 years but I haven’t been to a game yet. When the team is ready to make a full game effort I’ll make the effort to go see them. I’m to old to waste my time on half ass efforts. Tonight was a start, this team finally looks ready to make a fight of it.

Granger went for 33 tonight. That Dunleavy knows talent when he sees it. I’m going to rest easy at night knowing he’s now in charge of getting us players like Ricky Davis, Hart, and the rest of that piece of crap bench. Q Ross was so well thought of in the league that he must have signed a big deal somewhere considering Dunleavy thought so much of his mad skills that he started for us most 2006-2007. No, hmm , couldn’t be because he’s a piece of crap talent and the only reason he played is because Dunleavy is so brilliant that he was the only coach in the NBA who would have started him over Maggette.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Nov 7, 2008 10:40 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As I understand it,

MDSr has been the acting GM for years. This is his team. True, most on this board support him, I think in part because they are afraid of the alternative and in part because people are uncomfortable holding those who run the teams they support accountable. I find that his personnel decisions, playcalling and general attitude leave alot to be desired.

Having said that, he’s not the only issue, and really nothing can be done at this time. He’s got a huge contract, the owner is clueless, the team would have no GM, and really what competent coaches are out there?

Firedunleavy is just a frustrated fan expressing himself. Understandable since the team is 0 -6. It’s easy to blame the coach. because he’s the boss. No need to rip the character of a fellow Clipper fan who has an opinion with whom one might disagree. Such posts say more about the posters than the person attacked. This board would be better if tpeople would stop the character assassinations.

by Jax on Nov 7, 2008 11:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dunleavy playing EG tonight

Gordon finally got meaningful minutes tonight and played well when he was in there…but Mobley going from 38 minutes in the Lakers game to 0 tonight is kind of perplexing…was he injured? I mean as much as I like Gordon in there, Mobley deserves around 14 minutes a game…he’s a pro’s pro after all.

Now that TT is injured…would it be possible for DeAndre to get some minutes on Sunday?

by MichaelCage on Nov 8, 2008 12:02 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mobley

You’re confusing me Citizen. Mobley got 21 minutes. Far below his norm since he’s become a Clipper, but not zero, and more than 14. See my recap, but I think it had to do with matchups. One reason Mobley tends to play so much is because he has to guard the opposition’s best wing. With TMac invisible, and Artest way too strong for Cat, his defense wasn’t necessary. Hence, EJ could play when Brent Barry was on the floor. That’s my theory anyway.

I’m guessing you’ll have Novak and P Davis in uni on Sunday with Thomas hurt, DeAndre in a suit.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 8, 2008 12:28 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

doh

Hmmm we were distracted during the game probably because we were trying to figure out better seats with our season rep guy (we also missed a bit of the first quarter)…strangely both my buddy and I never noticed Mobley in the game at all! We had mentioned that walking out of the Staples center…very weird…maybe it had to do with his quiet play tonight and EG playing louder.

by MichaelCage on Nov 8, 2008 12:40 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh..

Well, he sat the entire fourth quarter, which is very strange. But he started both halves.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Nov 8, 2008 1:23 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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