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Clippers 95 - Houston 82

A win streak.  It's a win streak.

Entering the week, the Clippers had the second worst record in the NBA.  But looking decidedly unlike a last place team, they have won back to back games for the first time this season, and did so against a pair of 15 game winners who were until very recently leading their respective divisions.  Were it not for a horrific drought at the beginning of the fourth quarter Monday against Orlando, it would have been three big time pelts in a week for the Clippers.

This is, simply put, a different team since Zach Randolph arrived in town.  They were 2-12 before he joined the team.  They lost their first game with him by one point, and are 4-4 since, and they've been in almost every game.  They are still a minus 5 in point differential on the season, but they lost almost all their early games by wide margins.  In the nine games since Z-Bo joined the team, they are actually a plus 2.

Aside from a couple of brief lapses, the Clippers dominated the Rockets in this game.  Excellent defense held Houston to 35.6% from the field.  I wasn't charting deflections, but you can bet MDsr was, and you can also bet that he was happy.  12 blocks and 8 steals give you 20 right off the bat - as a team, they probably had 20 more at least. 

Houston did not look good.  I'm not sure all of the credit can go to the Clippers defense.  The Rockets just looked flat.  Both teams played last night, although the Clippers had a longer flight, not to mention two OTs.  But clearly they were the more active team in this game.

The Clippers played well in the first half, but couldn't sustain it.  After a terrible sequence in which the Rockets scored 5 points in the final 10 seconds of the  half, and then opened the second half on a 6-2 run, the Clippers were behind 54-47.  From that point, they outscored the Rockets 48-28. 

It started with defense.  With 6 minutes left in the third, the Clippers were still down 2.  The next 6 Rocket possessions were:

  • Steal by Eric Gordon leading to a layup
  • Steal by Marcus Camby (after a Gordon deflection) leading to a layup
  • Steal by Al Thornton leading to a layup
  • Missed long jump shot by Tracy McGrady
  • Missed long jump shot by Rafer Alston
  • Steal by Zach Randolph leading to a layup

Four steals and two long jumpers in 6 possessions.  That's just great defense.  Not to mention the scoring opportunities being generated.  For a team that has yet to shoot 50% in a game this season, those easy baskets can really come in handy.  (The Clippers shot 47% for the game, and were well over 50% on their 2 point shots at 36 for 68.) 

Going into the season, I was hoping / expecting that the Clippers would be able to generate a lot of steals this season; the presence of not one but two top level shot blockers protecting the rim allowing the perimeter defenders to gamble a little more.  Unfortunately it really hasn't happened before this game.  However, in the third the Clipper defenders were jumping into passing lanes and doubling from the blind side and just generally flying around the court.  It was completely uncharacteristic of the team, to tell you the truth.  And it was a lot of fun. 

Eric Gordon is already a very good defender at 19.  His hands are incredibly quick and he's very good at staying in front of his man.  And he got another blocked shot tonight.  If he improves as one would expect a motivated 19 year old rookie should, he could be a defensive terror in this league.  He also showed an ability to get to the rim in this game - he went 5 for 5 from inside the arc, and several of those were tough drives to the basket.

But back to Zach for a moment.  I already mentioned how much better the team has been since acquiring him.  He scored 30 tonight after going for 38 last night.  He finished the game shooting 12 for 23 - and that was with him going cold in a 2 for 7 fourth.  He was 10 for 16 in the first three quarters, and very few of them were easy shots.  He's in an incredible groove right now, and it can't possible last forever, but let's hope it lasts a little longer. There are many things that Elton Brand does better than Zach Randolph - shot blocking and defense come to mind - but Randolph is a significantly better scorer than EB ever was, and it's not really close.

Don't look now, but the Clippers aren't even in last place in the division any more - that distinction now belongs to the 6-18 Kings.  Seven of the next eight opponents have losing records, and the other one is Dallas, and frankly the Clippers should have beaten them twice already this season.  So with a bit of momentum and a soft spot in the schedule, the Clippers could actually do some damage before New Year's Day. 

Something very interesting has happened in the Western Conference so far this season.  Right now, there are 9 teams with winning percentages of .580 or better, and 6 at .350 or worse, and nobody in between.  In other words, it's looking like there are 9 teams fighting for the 8 playoff spots, and 6 who can start making lottery plans here in mid-December.  But if a team got hot, they could get back into the discussion pretty easily.  I'm not saying it's going to be the Clippers.  But if they run off some wins, and a couple of of the top 9 teams get cold (Phoenix being a prime possibility), it could happen.

Two other things that caught my eye in this game:

  • After saying that he wasn't particularly flashy in my preview, Rafer Alston broke out one of the niftiest dribble moves I've seen in an NBA game in a long time.  With the left hand, he went through his legs, back to front, as he changed direction on the way to the rim for the (appropriately) and-one.  It was sweet.
  • You have to give MDsr for the way he's using Mike Taylor and Jason Hart right now.  Taylor got the call in the first half, as he is still second on the depth chart at the point.  But he had two terrible turnovers on consecutive possessions in the second quarter.  When Baron came back on the floor, Taylor took a seat and didn't get back up.  In the second half, it was Hart, who frankly looked significantly better in this game.  He still can't shoot, and I have no idea why he would be taking a PUJIT.  But he ran the team well, and his defense was outstanding - he came up with 2 blocks and a steal in only 8 minutes.  I guess you have to give Hart credit for being ready when MDsr called him as well.

It was a good win.  Not as exciting as beating Portland on the road in double OT, but perhaps more satisfying.  The Clippers pretty much dominated a top opponent for the first time this season.  Three straight starts Tuesday night in Oklahoma.

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in 8 starts zach randolph is averaging

26 points (next best = 23.7)
10.5 rebounds (career high = 12.5 in 11 games with knicks)
53% from the field (next best = 46.7)
50% from 3 point range (8/19) (next best = 29.2)

by andrewexd on Dec 14, 2008 2:24 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LET'S MAKE IT 6!!!

@ Oklahoma City Thunder
@ Chicago
@ Indiana
@ Milwaukee Brew
Toronto

I can see the Clippers winning 4 more.

by wily6 on Dec 14, 2008 7:03 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No mention of the bench scoring...

there’s no way the starters can keep this up…the bench needs to start scoring because the minute one of our starters has a 1-10 game, even the thunder will beat us!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Dec 14, 2008 8:04 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's there to post?

Kings fired their coach for only 6 wins today. Clippers have some talent and will get some wins, (although Tmac and Battie were playing hurt and no Artest). I don’t think the Clippers are going to lose every game. Forget about the playoffs though.

by FireDunleavy.com on Dec 15, 2008 11:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The question is

Why does this always read like what you and Jax want?

That’s the sad part.

I mean, you could have named yourself: Win or Fire Dunleavy. The name thing allows enough characters for that.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Dec 15, 2008 11:44 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

John R always likes to lump me in with others

In truth, however, my viewpoint is very different than his.

I have said that MDSr should be permitted to finish out the season so we can reevaluate things at that time, but that the team should hire a competent GM now. Do I think he’s a good coach who will lead this team to the promise land based on his past performance? No. Do I think they should fire him without a plan? No.

Your position, on the other hand, is that the coach is never to blame and should never be held accountable. Players are widgets in your view. You’ve already suggested that BD be traded, for example. Not a very informed position in my view, and, yes, it is quite sad.

by Jax on Dec 15, 2008 12:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

excited over 2 wins?

Not sure I understood your post John. Seems like the same people who were saying the Clippers were going to win 50 this year, now are excited by 2 wins in a row.

To what Jax , it really doesn’t matter to me who the coach is once the team is out of the playoff race. I’ve had my doubts during the playoff series vs the Suns and wanted him fired the next year during the whole Corey fiasco.

by FireDunleavy.com on Dec 15, 2008 2:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you ever have anything positive to say?

Like sayyy ohhh… we played hard today, exhibited some good D, I liked that play at 4:12 in the third…etc?

Or do you only like to comment with negativity?

by Newtybar on Dec 15, 2008 5:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I had know idea

that Zach Randolph was this good and could shoot this well, especially from downtown. Whereas guys like Kaman will brick a 2 foot bunny, Zach is just about automatic near the rim, and if he does miss, he finds away to get back in there and rebound it. He is quite amazing actually. Ralph and Mike were talking about it last night. He just has great hands, and even in the absence of other athletic and fundamental skills, great hands will take a player far in this league. But Zach is pretty athletic, too, even though he doesn’t look it. Growing up, I had a fat friend that was just super athletic and coordinated. He was fast, could hit baseballs, shoot basketballs well, dance. Z Bo sort of reminds me of that. He really handles the ball well, and though I have seen a few errant passes and turnovers, I don’t think they are happening at an alarming rate, especially given the amount of touches he gets. The two man game with Zach and Baron on the right side is just pretty, even more so than the Cassell/Brand left block S/R. And I don’t really think he defense is as bad as was advertised. He does seem to make an effort at least.

I also had no idea that Eric Gordon was as good a defensive player as he is. He seems to know where to put his body to disrupt his man’s shot or block his path to the baseline without fouling him. Active hands. Strong. There was a play where he blocked a shot near the rim, then took the ball all the way down and converted, in traffic. He was very steady last night. Certainly doesn’t look 19 right now. I think he will be a very solid NBA player.

Al Thornton is un-guardable when he is on. He hit a turnaround fade late in the fourth that only a handful of NBA players could hit. And this was mostly against Shane Battier. I like the aggressive, take it to the rim AT a lot. He really hustled last night.

I love it when Marcus Camby blocks his shots with roundhouses and haymakers. His timing is amazing, and is mostly attributable to his age and experience. He combines this experience with great athleticism. He has worked his way back up to the top of the block and rebounding lists for the season (ZBo is right behind him in rebounds). He has certainly done his job in the absence of Kaman, and it is apparent that he is a much better center than PF. Kaman may be looking at a sixth man role when he returns, which I think would work great. I still agree with Zhiv that Kaman would make a fine PF. But either way, always having two of Camby/Kaman/Randolph on the floor will be a step up over bringing in Paul Davis, who has played well lately.

I was surprised by Mike Taylor’s struggles last night. Hart did a nice job in the 3rd and 4th, except for that ill-advised Pujit. But at least he got back on D and blocked the transition layup that resulted to make up for it.

We will see how the next few games play out, but I like what I have seen over the last two.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Dec 14, 2008 9:51 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zach's effort

Milph said something about him being better than advertised, and giving great effort on every play or some such. And I agree that he is. But of course that’s 9 games. The ‘consistent’ effort threshold is a little higher. So the question is how will Randolph’s effort be a month or two from now.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Dec 14, 2008 10:15 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

STOP thinking about winning 6 in a row, and start thinking about winning 3!

The clippers have played well, but we can’t get ahead of ourselves. Looking past an opponent is not a good idea as we’ve seen from Portland and Houston looking past us. A couple of comments on the win streak though… Th clips have won 3 of their last 4, but if you include games they were leading in the 4th (Orlando and dallas), they SHOULD have won 6 of their last 8…

I don’t mind the PUJIT from hart that much because it’s much better than the clippers trying to run the clock in the 4th and wind up taking last second long shots like they have in the past.

by cantthinkofagoodname on Dec 14, 2008 11:00 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Al Thornton's isolation play

Hey Clipper Steve,
What’s your take on Al Thornton’s offense? I’m talking about that play where the first pass goes to him, he holds it, turns, backs up, stutters, backs up, stutters and then takes a VERY OUT OF CONTROL shot.
Is that actually a play designed and approved by MDsr?
When Thornton runs his “iso” play the rest of the team just stands there. And Thornton rarely backs in and then dishes off to the open man.

Now contrast that with the very few running plays from last night where somebody like the Baron passes him the ball on the run, allowing Al to take flight and do his magic going to the rim.

Does this Al “iso” play frustrate you as much as it does me???

Thanks.

by ClipperLifer on Dec 14, 2008 11:06 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's a simple rule...

A couple years ago, I said of Kaman that he should never take more than one dribble. (The coaching staff adopted the one dribble rule a few weeks later.)

Al should have a ‘one jab step’ rule. If the jab step is going to work, it’s going to work the first time. The odds of it working the 2nd time (or the 3rd or 4th or 5th, etc) just aren’t good. When Al does the incessant jab step thing, the result, as you pointed out, is that everyone else stands around.

The key is ball movement, and the MDsr Clippers have never been great at it. Of course MDsr encourages all of these isos – if he thinks he has an advantage, he just wants to go to it and he’s OK with everyone else spotting up.

I’m sure everyone, Al included, is happier with him filling a lane on the break. But sometimes you have to do something in the half court. Al’s a good option in the half court, but he needs to make quicker reads, and either make his move or pass the ball. If he gives it up early in the clock, he may get it back in better position.

I think he’s getting better at it, but there’s plenty of room for improvement.

I’m not too frustrated with Al right now. He hasn’t been settling for the jumper too much lately, so that’s a good thing.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Dec 14, 2008 4:40 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

zach randolph certianly isnt giving dunleavy a reason to stop isos he just gets the ball holds it for a couple seconds and shoots, 2 points. its so strange how he makes those constantly.

by andrewexd on Dec 14, 2008 6:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Absolutely

Zach is really a perfect player for MDsr… it’s no wonder in retrospect that coach was so keen to get him here.

The good news is that Zach usually makes pretty quick decisions. He’s not going to hold the ball to long before shooting. He’s not into delaying the inevitable.

I also like the play late in the Houston game where Z-Bo had the ball and Al cut down the lane, resulting in an and-one. He’s got a reputation as a black hole, but he appears to me (so far) to be a good passer. He’ll get plenty of attention, and if his teammates are active, it should result in some good looks for people.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Dec 15, 2008 7:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zbo

From not really ever seen Zbo play when he was with the knicks and all the bad things i heard about him, this is a completely different Zach that what i heard. Things such as bad defense but as i watched him guard people like Yao and Howard and Oden and he definitely give it his all and keeps those guys from being close to the rim, plus he is like at least 3 4 inches shorter than those guys. so great effort to him

by civicdude590 on Dec 14, 2008 11:27 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

imagine

what we could do if we had ricky davis…

by highriser on Dec 14, 2008 12:34 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where are our reserves?

Four points from the bench – that will not cut it long term. I know we have two guys injured, but the last few games our bench has been non-existent.

Randolph may be the best player I have ever seen. I can’t wait to see how he thrives in an offensive system that is so devoted to the PF position. It looks like the Clippers finally have their superstar. I just hope Baron, Kaman and Al realize the “on the court” implications of this.

Great games – finally a splinter of light in a dark tunnel.

by citizen bob on Dec 14, 2008 1:52 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bench should improve

with return of RDavis and Kaman

by bestclipfan on Dec 14, 2008 2:03 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's just 2 wins......

and it sure feels nice.

I hoped the team would play this way earlier in the season with the talent that we have.

Maybe we should give MDsr some more time.

by 69knicks on Dec 14, 2008 3:43 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Clippers are 2-0 when I am in attendance!

Does that make me a good luck charm? Anyways, I liked a lot of what I saw last night, but I want no make sure that we don’t get ahead of ourselves by thinking about possibile winning streaks. Especially when we root for a team where we can’t even be comfortable with a 15 point fourth quarter lead.

However, I must say that I am impressed. Obviously, we did not blow a late lead, though the scoreboard did go out in the last few minutes (presumably because it couldn’t comprehend the Clippers beating a good team). In all seriousness, though, I think that the team defense is something that should be mentioned about this game. We held a good team to just 82 points, and it’s it wasn’t just the great individual defensive plays (steals, blocks, etc.), but the containing of Yao, forcing long jumpers, rotating on screens and other things of that nature. Tell me if I’m wrong, but I don’t remember the Rockets having a dunk in the game. Actually, I don’t remeber them having a whole lot of open layups. The Clippers did a good job forcing the Rockets outside the paint. That was what I was most impressed with.

I do have a few other notes that are worth mentioning. One, Zach Randolph is amazing, and that is so worth repeating. He drains jumpers like they’re layups. He had 15 in the first and ended up with his second straight 30 point game. This guy is a prolific scorer and great rebounder. I know that his defense leaves a little something to be desired, but the team defense that I alluded to above really helps to mask that. This guy is a star and a true spark plug.

Second, the effort of Marcus Camby was huge. It’s really contagious. He makes all those hustle plays that don’t get the appreciation that they deserve. He gives the Clippers extra possessions and makes plays that shift the momentum of the game. He’s the type of player that the Clippers really needed to go along with the acquisition of Zach Randolph. The two really complement each other, and here’s hoping that Kaman will fit into that mix.

The agressiveness of Al Thornton was also nice to see. I realize that he took a lot of jump shots and he gets a lot of criticism for that, all of which I understand. But let’s concede that when this guy puts his head down and heads for the cup, he’s an offensive force. He’s a great scorer to put along side Randolph. Good drives mixed with a couple jumpers can make this guy a good second option, especially when teams start focusing more on Zach.

Lastly, I know that there is a lot of animosity towards Coach Dunleavy (and I’ve been part of it), but let’s say that he made some good decisions in this game. Look, him staying is most likely because of DTS’ penny pinching, but it might work out for the best (ehhh…better?). Sometimes, making hasty decisions is wrong. I’m not commending the guy for being a great coach, but I’m saying that this team has some pieces for him to work with, and they haven’t been all bad since the arrival of Z-Bo. So, let’s try to be optimistic.

I will leave you with a great line from Major League: “We won yesterday, we won today. If we win tomorrow, that’s called a winning streak.” Just a reminder to look solely at the game in OKC on Tuesday.

by WestsideBrandon on Dec 14, 2008 4:12 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah can't afford a repeat of Memphis

but the clips seem to be on a role right now and I don’t see a two day break stopping that momentum. But we can’t underestimate the Thunder (lame name aside). If you let them get close they have enough youth where they could make a run. But we have got to win on Tues. to show that Sat. and Sun. weren’t flukes.

by bestclipfan on Dec 14, 2008 6:42 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haven't you noticed?

Memphis has been playing pretty well lately? It seems that might not have been such a horrible loss. Also, the Kings have been playing the Lakers tough. Even OKC played the Spurs tough tonight….seems there are no easy wins in the association right now.

by ghost_ride on Dec 14, 2008 9:01 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah memphis has won 4 straight

by andrewexd on Dec 14, 2008 9:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On a side note...where's FD.com?

Or does he only come out when the Clippers lose?

by Newtybar on Dec 14, 2008 9:57 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where would you be?

Probably waiting for the next bad loss.

There are really three (3) main camps when it comes to this or most any other sports team message boards. Those who only want to talk about the good. Those who only want to talk about the bad. Those who can discuss both the good and the bad.

Different fans have different motives though. Take last year, most of us were rooting for the team to lose after a while in order to get a top pick in a stacked draft. This year, some people are rooting for failure in order for Sterling to be forced into hiring new management.

by ghost_ride on Dec 14, 2008 10:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How aboutus guys lurking in the shadows

but you did say “Main” in your post

The World Series would be a lot better if the Angels were in it.

by Andyman on Dec 15, 2008 5:50 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I posted up there.

I don’t post much on the weekend though.

And yeah, ghost_ride is right. After the last few years, I’m rooting for failure so the managment is changed.

by FireDunleavy.com on Dec 15, 2008 2:32 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or you could root to win?

Rooting for failure? Do fans do that?

by Newtybar on Dec 15, 2008 5:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FD= secret Laker Fan

fans don’t root for failure they just accept it when it happens

by bestclipfan on Dec 15, 2008 5:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't like Kobe

Otherwise I would be a Laker fan again.

Even though I wanted Dunleavy fired, I still rooted for the Clippers last year. After canceling my season tickets, this year I enjoy watching them lose. There’s only so much I can take. For the previous 2 years I paid $90 a ticket. How can I root for them to win, when I see the same train wreck over and over. What has he accomplished in the past that makes you believe in him?

by FireDunleavy.com on Dec 15, 2008 6:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Umm...

What has he accomplished?

- Western Conference semifinals with a star who has made his new team significantly worse and has had one winning season in his 9 year career, a 37 year old point guard, and a bunch of guys that aren’t exactly tearing up the league on other teams.

Is it enough? Not sure. But that’s what he accomplished.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Dec 15, 2008 10:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

EB before injury

and a few years younger. I think that Clipper team and the year after should have made the playoffs with any coach and Dunleavy pulled no miracles. He also let Sam do what he wanted. I wouldn’t have fired him after that season, but I also wouldn’t give him full GM powers and total immunity.

by FireDunleavy.com on Dec 16, 2008 9:47 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's Funny

The L.A. Times actually commended Sterling for sticking with Dunleavy while half of the NBA is going out and firing their coaches.

by ghost_ride on Dec 16, 2008 9:54 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Order & Chemistry

If it wasn’t clear before, it should be clear now that what the Clippers lacked from the start of the season was a true #1 option on offense. It’s tough for a PG, no matter how great they are to operate without a legit 1st option. Chris Paul has David West. Deron Williams has Carlos Boozer. Nash has Amare, Rondo has the big 3, Calderon has Bosh, Cassell had EB, and on and on.

As tough as we were on Baron, he just just didn’t have a chance to succeed in terms of help. As much as we hoped Kaman & Thornton could be that guy, neither were even close to meeting the challenge.

Enter Zach Randolph. BD finally gets his go to guy, and order is restored on offense. BD can assume the #2 scoring roll if he needs to, but when Thornton assumes the #2 role, which he has been doing more and more, the offense clicks along much better. Eric Gordon is content to be a 3 or 4, can space the floor and make big plays on both sides of the floor, and Camby of course, just picks up the slack. It’s amazing how much one player can make such a big impact, but the dreaded Randolph has done just that. What a horrible GM Dunleavy is for such a proud franchise.

Even our defensive intensity and committment (as some of us guessed might happen) has picked up tremendously now that the team has something to play for again. The bleeding has stopped somehow. I liked the LA Times power rankings from today’s paper…we moved up from 27 to 24, with the appropriate comment: “They’re Alive!”

The bench is obviously vulnerable, and very workmanlike right now. You cross your fingers at no matter who spells the starters, though Davis(3) is looking like the most capable off the bench. But with the way the starting five is clicking right now, they look like they can creep closer towards .500 until reinforcements come (Kaman, Davis(2)).

by ghost_ride on Dec 14, 2008 9:58 PM PST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Wow - I go out of town and

the Clips when two big games in a row. Good point Ghost about the legit 1st option. Hopefully things will continue to improve.

by Jax on Dec 14, 2008 10:05 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we need scoring from off the bench. hopefully kaman will bring this.. or darius miles :o

Dodgers - 2008 NL West Champions
Cardinals - 2008 NFC West Champions

by wongy on Dec 15, 2008 4:31 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Memphis signed him

saturday, I think

The World Series would be a lot better if the Angels were in it.

by Andyman on Dec 15, 2008 5:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Dec 15, 2008 8:00 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anotine Walker anyone?

According to the yahoo Balls don’t Lie blog, Antoine Walker is close to a buyout. He can certainly score….and follows the Clips recent trend of bringing in Big Name “headcases” onto the team at deep discounts.

I love LAC.

by oasisman on Dec 15, 2008 12:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't see it

Would Antoine Walker be worth a minimum contract? Sure, why not. But Toine is not going to sign that deal with the Clippers, for several reasons. It’s not a particularly good fit for him. More importantly, if he’s going to do the vet’s min thing, he’s going to want a chance to win. i.e. he’s not signing with a 6 win team. Which in the end is a good thing for the Clippers, because ’Toine’s presence has more potential for harm than good.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Dec 15, 2008 12:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thoughts

It’s nice to see a little spring in the step of ClipsNation. Everybody has been remarkably patient and hasn’t gone completely nuts during a horrendously difficult and troubled start, and it’s nice to get a couple of wins and to see not just a few positive signs, but a whole lot, and a much brighter outlook for the road ahead.

It’s truly amazing that the Clips are doing this without Kaman, who was so clearly their best player last year. Pretty funny to put this last sequence into the frustrating mix of never having the chance to see Kaman-Brand. I’m going to say that we never really got a good look at Kaman-Camby either, based on Camby’s injury and slow start as compared to the way that he’s playing now, plus Kaman playing a couple of games on a bad foot. And now we’re still waiting to see how Kaman-Camby-Randolph will work, but the great thing is that we’re getting this phenomenal Camby-Randolph run as a sweet little bonus. More accurately it’s really a phenomenal Randolph run, with a very strong and solid Camby run that is meeting our optimistic expectations for him.

I’ll say it again and say it another 100 times: let’s remember how much better this team became when Tim Thomas was no longer on the roster and no longer an option for Mike Dunleavy. And the same goes, to a lesser extent, for poor Cat Mobley. Gordon would be nowhere near where he is today without that trade, and the injury to Davis2 as well, for that matter. In all of the analysis and details of how Gordon plays and what he can do, we would only know and have seen 10-20% of it if there was no trade.

And I’ll remember again how much I hated the trade.

Another bonus that we’re seeing play out is the way in which Baron Davis is playing with energy and heart and he seems to be happy. This seems to be a result of playing with Randolph, a healthy Camby, Gordon and Mike Taylor, along with Thornton. The team works and has good chemistry and the talent suits BDavis very well. As CS noted, hitting the shot against Portland, right after making such a horrible mistake, might have turned things around.

The 1st option comment is a great note. It’s going to be absolutely fascinating to see what this team is like when Kaman comes back. We’ve talked a fair amount about how there will be adequate minutes for all three of them. Kaman will come off the bench in his first couple of games back and he’ll probably play some limited minutes. That in itself should be interesting, and we’ll have to see who the backup big men are on some of the not-so-great teams that the Clips will be playing when Kaman returns.

Another thing is that, after the Camby trade, we talked about how Kaman and Camby would complement each other, Kaman inside and Camby outside, both good rebounders and shot blockers, both able to play center but having the athleticism to fit as PFs as well. And now that we’ve watched ZBo play a bunch of games, it’s obvious that he’s the PF, no two ways about it; he’s just an excellent player at the position, and he’s been playing it at an all-star level for the last 5 games. So what does this mean for the rotation and potential of the triumvirate?

I know I’m getting ahead of myself, but has anybody else noticed how Milph keep talking about how Camby is really a 7-ft small forward? Just saying. There may be a few extra minutes there, with all three guys on the court. When the trade was first made, before Kaman’s foot injury, there was some discussion about this with the idea that Randolph might play some SF. But now that we’ve seen ZBo it seems obvious that he’s going to get his 35 minutes a night at PF, and we wouldn’t want it any other way. And the Camby-ZBo combo is working; it’s excellent, and good things happen when Camby is out on the floor. Like I said, it’s going to be fascinating to see what happens when Kaman comes back.

CBlog is as bullish as any of us, and had a nice breakdown of the Clipper defense and a few of the other good things that are happening right now. A big part of it is the fact that there are no negative players on the Clips now, few empty minutes—the closest is Baron Davis when he’s in a funk, but when he and the team are riding the wave like this he’s the guy who can put the Clippers up into the higher levels of excellence. Even the Mardy Collins addition seems like a significant upgrade, giving the Clips an excellent perimeter defender and athlete, and it was good to see that Dunleavy didn’t overuse him against McGrady and that Gordon did such a good job defending TMac. Thornton needs to learn the CS jab step rule and get the ball moving but he’s going to prosper riding the wave as well, and he provides a lot of highlights.

Good times. GO CLIPPERS GO!

by citizen zhiv on Dec 15, 2008 11:25 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"triumvirate"

I always gotta keep the dictionary.com tab open when reading your great comments!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Dec 15, 2008 12:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Loving Zach

Enjoyed his time at Portland but never got to see him play for the Knicks. He seems to be doing the same thing for us that he did for Portland and that is score effortlessly while using his excellent hands to gobble up any ball that comes within his grasp.
To bad we got in such a hole this season because going forward we are already probably better then some teams who will make the playoffs.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 15, 2008 12:21 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clippers up to 21 in Hollingers power ranking.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 15, 2008 12:24 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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