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The Clippers Last Play in Regulation Last Night

I didn't focus on the final play in regulation in my recap.  It ended up being a decent look for Al Thornton, and it almost went in.  But we're getting a little more information about it at this point.

Milph were expecting the play to be called for Zach Randolph, as was I, as was everyone else in the United Center.  So why did the ball go to Thornton?  Was it to try to catch the Bulls off-guard?  Well, let's face it, if you're trying to cross them up, to use Randolph as a decoy, you don't just iso Thornton on the wing.  In order to use Randolph as a decoy, you have to, you know, use him as a decoy - have him involved somehow.  Watching the play, it simply looked like an iso for Al, plain and simple.

After Randolph scored on the first possession of OT, Milph wondered aloud where that play was at the end of regulation.  MDsr overheard them, and shot them a look that they interpreted as "That was the play - they effed it up."  At the time, I thought they might have been misinterpreting the look.  But sure enough, in his press conference he said it in no uncertain terms:

The play was for Randolph.  He'd been killing them every time down the floor. Al just slashed in and got the ball. Yeah, he shot a good shot; the ball was in and out. But the guy who had the hot hand for us was the guy we wanted to go to.

Which begs the question, how does that happen?  It's also an interesting case-in-point in the discussion about Al on a recent FanPost.  Should we be really, really concerned about his basketball IQ?

I went back and re-watched the play on the DVR just now.  Like I said, when I watched it the first time, it didn't look like a broken play, so I wondered if MDsr was engaging in some revisionist history.

  • There are 20 seconds left in the game.  Eric Gordon inbounds the ball to Baron Davis on the right wing.  This looks like a play for Randolph so far, since that's the side he likes - oh, and they've only run this play about 20 straight times in the fourth quarter so far, so I recognize it.
  • What happens next is what threw me.  Randolph fades away to the left, free throw line extended.  At the time I remember thinking, "That's weird.  I guess they're not running that play, since he'd be down near the baseline to set up the cross screen if they were planning to get him the ball."
  • Rewatching it, I realize that they were just burning some clock.  They didn't want Zach to shoot too early in a tie game, so they wanted to get him the ball with 10 or 12 seconds left.  So Zach's just hanging out for a few seconds.
  • Just before Gordon starts down to set the cross screen, you can hear MDsr's voice on the telecast:  "Al! Al!"  I didn't notice it at the time, nor would I have known the significance, but in hindsight he was trying to get Al's attention, because he was in the wrong position. 
  • Gordon sets the cross screen, and Al is the one that pops over.  Surprise, surprise.  There's about 10 seconds left now, so the play is officially broken - no time to reset.  Baron can either give the ball to Al and let him go one-on-one, keep the ball and go one-on-one himself, or call a timeout (the Clippers had one left).  He gives the ball to Al.
  • So that's why it looked like the play was called for Al.  Everyone ran the play correctly except for AT, who just happened to take the Z-Bo role for himself. 
  • In re-watching with the new information, you can tell by Randolph's reaction that he was supposed to get the ball.  He throws his hands in the air as the ball rims out, and he's very frustrated and perplexed on the bench.

So in the course of less than 10 seconds of game time, you have two crucial mistakes by the Clippers last two draft picks.  Ouch. 

In the case of Gordon's foul, it's fairly easy to understand - in a split second, in a big situation, he knows he's hung up on the screen, and he does the one thing he should not do - he reaches and fouls.  Not smart, but I get it.

But what was Al thinking?  Was he not paying attention in the huddle?  Did he willfully usurp Randolph's position in the play, deciding on his own that he wanted to be the hero?  I'm not sure how you confuse "The play is for Zach" with "The play is for Al."  Or maybe they talk in code in the huddles, and it was play Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot-Blue and Al thought it he said Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot-2.  Seems unlikely though.  I'm guessing MDsr said something like "Same play we've been running all 4th quarter."  So it's difficult to explain what Al might have been thinking.

Still, I want to put point something out.  These were mistakes, no question.  But we don't know what would have happened had these mistakes not occurred.  Let's say EJ doesn't commit that foul.  Clippers win, right?  Not necessarily.  Ben Gordon makes the three, there are still 20 seconds on the clock.  Bulls foul, and even if the Clippers make both free throws, there's still plenty of time for Chicago to tie the game with another three.  I said it last night - the Clippers win over Portland, with Blake missing 4 of 5 free throws in 30 seconds, was MUCH more unlikely than this game.

And we don't know that Z-Bo would have scored had the final play been run correctly.  It's the play we wanted, it's the play MDsr called, and it doesn't excuse Thornton's bonehead mistake - but we don't know what would have happened.  If Al's shot goes in (which it almost did, after all), the Clippers win and he's the hero.  It didn't.  No big deal.

There's another interesting bit from the story in the LA Times.  Randolph and Camby were complaining after the game about the SECOND offensive foul - when the Clippers were still only down one - not the first one, the reversed call.  And yes, everyone knows that Andres Nocioni is a talented flopper.

(A quick aside - there's a slightly xenophobic tone to some complaints about the Argentine's and their embellishments on the court.  Let's be clear.  Selling fouls is a HUGE part of international soccer, and if you grow up in a soccer mad country, it's simply part of what you do.  It's part of the game.  It is also effective.  So while some may find it distasteful, it's really up to the referees to sniff it out and make better calls.  You can't really blame the players, and I do not.  Maybe Citizen edu_argentina can expound on this point some.)

My immediate reaction to that play, watching it in real time, was that Nocioni was flopping.  It just didn't look like Zach turned that hard.  On the replay, it was clear there was contact, and Ralph commented, "Not much question about it."

But I guarantee you that Nocioni sold it.  We've all played enough basketball to know that when you catch someone in the jaw, and you really get them - you get them hard - you know it, and you're first reaction is a human reaction.  "Oh crap!  Are you OK?"  Zach on the other hand was immeditately livid.  Which makes me believe that he knows he barely touched the guy.  Add in the fact that this was the call he was complaining about after the game, when he had PLENTY of questionable and significant calls to choose from, and I'm completely convinced that Nocioni turned incidental contact into a life threatening situation.  And he continued to rub his jaw on the bench during the time out.  The guy is good.  Too good.

Going back to the play at 3:39 when a foul was called on Nocioni, you can see him lobbying the refs after the whistle, pantomiming an elbow - he set the whole thing up beautifully.  On the subsequent offensive foul, he basically put his head as close to Zach as he could, almost resting it on Zach's shoulder, then snapped it back when Zach turned.  It's pretty brilliant, especially if you, like me, don't think the contact was significant.  Usually when watching the replay, you can spot the acting job - the reaction is delayed just enough.  But this had the rare quality of the truly great flops; it actually looked BETTER on the replay than in real time.  In real time, the action-reaction wasn't quite right: Zach does a small turn, and Nocioni ends up in the first row.  But slowed down, you take the physics out, and you just have a blow to the jaw, and a perfectly timed head snap.  Bravo, senor Nocioni.  Bravo.

One final aside from the perspective of a journalism student: the Times did not send Lisa Dillman on this trip.  We got an AP story from OKC.  We got a Chicago reporter, KC Johnson, on this one, since the Tribune company which owns the times is based in Chicago.

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with mdsr yelling "Al! Al!"

Al probably assumed the ball should go to him.

Dunleavy should have yelled “Al WTF?! you’re in the wrong place! get back to your spot” But that would’ve taken too long to say. lol.

I was listening on the radio in OT and the radio announcer guy pretty much said the same thing CS has said here about that play.

by cantthinkofagoodname on Dec 18, 2008 1:02 PM PST reply actions  

I didn't watch the game...

but 2 things stand out from what I have read so far in the blogsphere and the internets…

-MDsr micro-coaching got Al confused…Could TJ Simmers be right about him?

-If it’s a broken play, why didn’t MDsr call a for a Corona? Coaches can call them right? 10 seconds to reset is better than the shot Al took.

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Dec 18, 2008 2:04 PM PST reply actions  

I think its only FIBA that coaches call timeout

And then only coaches can.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Dec 18, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

New rule this year...

NBA coaches can call a timeout. Which basically says that he didn’t micro-manage that play. Maybe he should have.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Dec 18, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure why anyone would want to be an NBA head coach

When on any given play you might be accused of both simultaneously micromanaging and not micromanaging. Brutal.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Dec 18, 2008 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I am usually not so condeming of mdsr, but given his

tendency to overcoach, and Al’s questionable bball IQ, it made for an explosive(or dud) combination!…

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Dec 18, 2008 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya, I didn't even mean it like that

I was more looking at the complexity of the decision tree. Its entirely possible a coach could both micromanage and undermanage within a single play.

Just looking at the decision Baron is left with once the play is broken:

  • Go ahead and give it to Al
              + Reasonable chance of success
              + Rest of team is in position for the play
              + No pressure brought on self
               - Even if Al makes it, the team knows he blew it
               - Encourages this behavior in the future
  • Keep it
              + Reasonable chance of success
              + All glory brought to self
               - All pressure on self
               - Play will be a total scramble
  • Call time out
              + Avoids negatives of other options
              + Heady player credit
               - Risk of needing to inbound ball again with no more timeouts
               - Short clock with which to run new play

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Dec 18, 2008 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

This just invoked the image of the NFL ice the kicker timeout.

MDSr sees that Davis is going to give the ball to Al against his play call.
MDSr calls timeout on the sideline.
Thornton elevates and hits the shot.
Whistle blows indicating a time out.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Dec 18, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

no. TJ Simers is never right.

by andrewexd on Dec 18, 2008 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe

Al thought, screw this, I’m taking the shot. What’s Dunleavy gonna do? Bench me?
(probably not) Doesn’t seem like the team has respect for Dunleavy though.

by FireDunleavy.com on Dec 18, 2008 2:54 PM PST reply actions  

Yes FDC

We knew you blamed MDSr for the game even before tipoff.

Unless the Clippers win, then he gets no credit.

We get it.

Don’t you have anything original to say?

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Dec 18, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you?

Every time anyone says anything about MDSr: “Jeez it must suck to be a coach . . .”

Even though the guy’s making over $5 M per year coaching a game.

by Jax on Dec 18, 2008 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually...

Al Thornton job security is just about sky high right now. He could spit on Dunleavy and have a shot at starting, but he seems like a nice guy so no worries there. Hopefully the vets give him plenty of grief for taking that shot last night.

by ghost_ride on Dec 18, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

I’d give him a pass on this because he won that double OT vs Portland.

I wonder what Dunleavy’s career OT record is? I bet it’s under .400.

Being GM/Coach he shouldn’t get any credit unless the Clippers win.

by FireDunleavy.com on Dec 18, 2008 3:01 PM PST reply actions  

Long time no see

NO, I wasn’t a season ticket holder, and if you felt ripped off by your investment, I understand. I myself do not live close enough to Staples to warrant being a season ticket holder. For the record, I tried to find an OT win/loss record, but a simple Google search didn’t yield fruit.

Anyway, the game was loss by Eric Gordon’s foul….Indiana is coming up next. Let’s see how productive our razor-thin bench can be.

I love LAC.

by oasisman on Dec 18, 2008 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I must confess I didn't see the game

Did MDSr throw Al under the bus with that comment? Perhaps he was just frustrated.

The four point play seems to have been what did in the team. That type of thing is going to happen when you have a 19 year old rook as your starting shooting guard. It just is. Now did the coach warn the players about that? Should he have? Was there an opportunity to do so? I don’t know. And I have no basis to blame anyone for what happened.

But the play is eerily reminiscent of the Phoenix playoff game where as has been discussed recently where Ewing failed to guard the three point line allowing Raja to get the ball and the opportunity to score.

This team has to start doing the little things that ensure wins at the ends of games. The Clippers should have won this game. Period.

by Jax on Dec 18, 2008 3:48 PM PST reply actions  

yeah but the point was even if you dindnt guard the 3 at all we had a pretty good chance of winning. you have to give credit to Ben Gordon, pretty amazing shot.

by andrewexd on Dec 18, 2008 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

It does invoke it

But the play is eerily reminiscent of the Phoenix playoff game where as has been discussed recently where Ewing failed to guard the three point line allowing Raja to get the ball and the opportunity to score.

It obviously invokes this memory, but the execution was basically the exact opposite. MDSr was criticized for subbing in a cold player; this time he stayed with the one already in the lineup. He was criticized for how relatively passively Ewing played the shooter; Gordon played hyper aggressive.

Completely opposite execution; same result. Its why coaches don’t matter. The players are going to do what they are going to do, and in the NBA the players are so good they might just hit the shot no matter what you do.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Dec 19, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

good point

I guarantee you the coaching staff told everyone not to foul. Not they should have had to… my cat knew not to foul in that situation. But players make mistakes.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Dec 19, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

In this case the rookie likely made a rookie mistake. Not so with the Ewing situation.

by Jax on Dec 19, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Those who are knowledgeable

understand that what really happened was his failure to ensure that the players guarded the three point line. Simple play, poorly coached. I’ve explained this numerous times. John R can continue to bury his head in the sand for his slavish devotion to all things MDSr, and ignore my posts, but the misleadings only reflect poorly on him.

Coaches only don’t matter to those who don’t understand the game.

by Jax on Dec 19, 2008 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't find AT with the ball surprising at the time

I thought it was a good shot. AT does seem to increase the degree of difficulty at times, but he still hits some good looks.

I definitley think he is talented enough to take the last shot.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Dec 18, 2008 4:47 PM PST reply actions  

He's yet to develop a good jump shot

I’d venture to say he’s in the low 30’s in connecting on jump shots this season.

by ghost_ride on Dec 18, 2008 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Why guess?

Al Thornton

61% of his shots are jumpers which he hits at an abysmal .343 eFG%, which is adjusted up for 3’s.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Dec 18, 2008 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks...

Figured as much having watched just about every game, but it’s nice to have the facts. He shouldn’t be allowed to shoot.

by ghost_ride on Dec 18, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, CS, acting is a part of soccer, more and more each day

Not only in Argentina, also in Brazil (see Varejao). Players cry of pain and the next second they are running like nothing happened.
As for Nocioni, he plays at the limit of rules, and this style gets him under the skin of the opponents, so at times even he won´t have to act, or flop, as the rivals will look to punch him. He sets them a trap. I only watched the first half,so I couldn ´t see the plays he was involved, but I can imagine them. I tell you, he´s 100% heart, and he´ll do what it takes to win. It´s shame last night he was on the other side. Maybe next game with the Bulls he´ll be in ours.

by edu_argentina on Dec 18, 2008 6:41 PM PST reply actions  

Noc

It’s surprising that the Chicago fans don’t all unanimously love this guy. His contract doesn’t help, that’s for sure. And he hasn’t shot well this season (until last night, that is).

But he’s the kind of guy you want on your side. Conversely, he’s the kind of guy you DESPISE if he’s on the other team.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Dec 18, 2008 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

no, i think your talking about kobe bryant (not that i would want him on the Clippers). Nocioni is shooting pretty horribly this season and hes been declining for a few seasons now. His hair style doesnt help.

by andrewexd on Dec 18, 2008 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Thornton would be worth lots on the open market

Maybe Oklahoma would trade Kevin Durant, Jeff Green and Chris Wilcox for Kaman, Thornton and Novak. It would strengthen our starting group, our bench and also make us players on next years free agency. Not sure if Oklahoma would pull the trigger on this one, but I think it would strengthen both teams. I am sure other trades for this combo could be arranged as alternatives.

by citizen bob on Dec 18, 2008 9:05 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe Houston would also be interested

Thornton, Hart and Kaman for Battier, Luis Scola and Brent Barry.

by citizen bob on Dec 18, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Indiana may also be interested

Kaman, Thornton and Hart for Mike Dunleavy Jr, Danny Granger and Marquis Daniels. The addition of Thornton may reduce the sting of losing Granger. Kaman would hold more value in the East.

by citizen bob on Dec 18, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

maybe OZ might be interested!

Kaman, Thornton and Hart for the Cowardly Lion, Tin Man and Toto. we might be able to swing Dorothy in place of the lion but it might cost us a draft pick or 2… and at this point in the season, I doubt OZ would be willing to make any moves.

by cantthinkofagoodname on Dec 19, 2008 1:19 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

wowzers.

How about instead, we just trade Mardy Collins, Kim Hughes, and a cup of Gatorade to Orlando for Dwight Howard, Jameer Nelson and Rashard Lewis + we get 1st round draft picks in the next 9 drafts?

Oh me, oh my!!!! The Red Baron has come home!!

by Clipper T on Dec 19, 2008 2:05 AM PST up reply actions  

What are you a Laker fan?`

Only a Laker fan would say something that stupid

For example:
I don’t get it, why don’t we trade for Lebron…We can package Odom, Farmar and Sasha…Who wouldn’t take that deal!!! That’s all NBA team, we are giving the Cavs.

by Qlippers on Dec 19, 2008 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

So...

Trading productive players for unproductive ones will strengthen the starting group?

I don’t follow.

In a vacuum without further facts, why anyone would absorb the core of a 2 win team and think it would improve their team blows my mind. Assuming the other team isn’t a 1 win team, of course.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Dec 19, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you seriously saying

That you wouldn’t trade Thornton and Kaman for Kevin Durant and Jeff Green?

No wonder you are such a strident supporter of everything MDSr. 7 is indeed greater than 2.

by Jax on Dec 19, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

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