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Clippers at Milwaukee - Game Preview and Open Thread

Los Angeles Clippers @ Milwaukee


2008/2009 NBA Regular Season
Lac1_70_medium
vs.
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8-18
12-16
Bradley Center
December 20th, 2008, 5:30 PM
KTLA Channel 5
Probable starters:
Baron Davis
PG Luke Ridnour
Eric Gordon
SG Michael Redd
Al Thornton
SF Richard Jefferson
Zach Randolph
PF Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
Marcus Camby
C Andrew Bogut

 

The Big Picture:

The Clippers come to the end of a four games in five nights road trip in Milwaukee.  As if that schedule wasn't tough enough, they decided to play one extra period in their loss to Chicago on Wednesday and two extra frames in their win in Indianapolis last night.  Coupled with the fact that the bench has not been very helpful lately, and the Clippers' starters have got to be feeling pretty tired right now.  They all played between 48 and 50 minutes last night, which has never happened before in the shot clock era.  Zach Randolph for one does not appear to be fatigued, as he remains almost unstoppable.  He has scored 30 or more in four of his last five games, including 34 last night.  He's also shooting well over 50% as a Clipper.  A win tonight would give the Clippers 3 wins in the 4 games of the road trip, with the sole loss being in overtime.  Perhaps we hoped for a 4-0 trip, but 3-1 is pretty good.  We know that the Indiana game should never have been that close, but a 3-1 trip is a 3-1 trip.  Baron Davis needs to start making a few more shots - the Clippers can't win many games with him shooting under 30% as he has in the last two games.

The Antagonist:

I know next to nothing about the Bucks.  They have three new starters this season: Luke Ridnour at the point, acquired in the three team deal in which they sent Mo Williams to Cleveland; Richard Jefferson, acquired from New Jersey in the deal that sent Yi Jianlin east; and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, a second round draft pick from UCLA who has beaten out Charlie Villanueva for the starting power forward job.  These three join the Bucks established players: Michael Redd and Andrew Bogut.   They've had some injuries in the early part of the season, notably to Redd (14 games) and Bogut (3 games).  But everyone is back now, and they've won 3 of 4 (though not against the greatest competition).  As you might expect, Redd leads them in scoring at almost 20 per game, and Jefferson is close behind at 18.  But if you can stop those two, I'm not sure where they're going to find points.

The Subplots

  • Stopping Redd.  Eric Gordon will draw one of the tougher assignments of his young career when he goes against Michael Redd.  Redd is a scorer - he can shoot from outside, he can drive to the basket, he shots a variety of shots and scores a variety of ways.  He's also got one of the quickest releases in the NBA.  Gordon will have to stay home on him, take his space on the perimeter, and still try to stay in front of him.  Not an easy task.
  • Stopping Z-Bo.  On the other end, rookie Mbah a Moute will have his hands full with Zach Randolph.  Clipper fans may be interested to know that LRMaM is the guy who got Elton Brand to fall on him and separate his shoulder.  But Zach doesn't jump that high.  Zach's going to be licking his chops to be going at a rookie in this game; even one who played defense for Ben Howland. 
  • Ramon Sessions.  This will be my first chance to watch Ramon Sessions as a pro, and I'm looking forward to it.  A second round pick in 2007, he was the college teammate of Nick Fazekas at Nevada, but Fazekas was far and away the star of that team.  Sessions spent most of last season in the D-League, but when he came up to the big club late in the season, he just tore it up, including a 24 assist game in the next to the last game.  His minutes have been dropping lately, but I still want to see what all the fuss is about.
  • Superstar for one game.  I'm going to go with Sessions.  Baron's tired, and several lightly regarded point guards have really lit him up this season.  (By the way, I was almost right last night.  I consider Ford and Jack, who both had big games, before dismissing them.  And the guy I picked ended up in the hospital with some infection, so I can hardly be blamed for that.)
  • Get the Bucks perspective at Brew Hoop.

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3 Bucks wins have been vs the Knicks

including a blowout win in NY last night. Could be a tough game.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Dec 20, 2008 6:22 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This game

being the last of the road trip and 4th in 5 nights, could very well be a blow out, and not in the Clippers favor. The D last night was absolutely pathetic, and if they play the same way against the Bucks, they will get their asses handed to them. I hope for some more energy and passion from the guys tonight, but truthfully don’t see how they can have anything left in the tank at this point. I hope they prove me wrong.

by Clip Show on Dec 20, 2008 12:47 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know it's a bad season...

when we’re complaining about wins after starting the season with a slew of losses.

I totally agree though. It’s not like this team has figured it out and is clicking, it’s winning, but winning ugly while running its starters into the ground. Meanwhile the players continue to get injured.

The thing that worries me the most is that this team is winning in spite of Baron, and I think that’s fool’s gold. Z-Bo has been absolutely unstoppable, but can anyone really imagine an elite team with Z-Bo as its primary option?

What’s worse is that Dunleavy doesn’t seem interested (or capable?) in finding a better way to use Baron. Instead, he’s just relying on the same predictable play time after time to get Z-Bo the ball. You can only go to that well so many times.

Yes Baron is in a horrible slump and he’s responsible for some seriously bad shots. But a huge factor in his shooting slump is the fact that in Dunleavy’s offense, he only gets outside shots with the clock running down after Z-Bo kicks it back out due to a double team. That’s not a recipe for success.

And I ask AGAIN – If Dunleavy supposedly has so many plays, why is it that we see the SAME exact play over and over a game at the end? SAME EXACT PLAY!

by madglove on Dec 20, 2008 2:39 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes and no

Baron Davis

60% of his shots are coming in the first 15 seconds of the shot clock.
30% of his shots are close or dunks.

Baron Davis last year.
72% of his shots were coming in the first 15 seconds of the clock.
33% of his shots are close or dunks.

His getting to the rimness hasn’t changed this year from past. He has fluctuated between like 29% and 33%.

As for his shooting percentage, well hat tip to Clipperblog, but he is in an all-time, epic funk. He is no better or worse so far this year than he was at the end of last season, under a completely different coach and system.

He is shooting poorly no matter his coach. Its on him. How about a 6-10 night tonight BD?

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Dec 20, 2008 4:40 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BD is what he is

Well known to everyone including MDSr, who decided to sign him. That’s his game. He excels best in an uptempo offense. MDSr knows that. MDSr won’t play uptempo, and got ZBo to continue to run his old tired sets. Good news, however, is that ZBo and BD are ballers who should figure out a way to work together.

by Jax on Dec 21, 2008 11:42 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meaningless Stats

Hate to break it to you, but those stats don’t dispute to my points. So 60% of his shots are early in the clock. How many of those is he making? What percentage of his shots in the latter 11 seconds is he making? My argument is about the QUALITY of his shots. Of the 40% of his shots in the latter 11 seconds, how many are quality shots and how many are ones he has to chuck up because the play broke down and someone gave it to him with the clock running down? That’s my point.

And I’m not arguing that Baron is an efficient player. NEVER once did I make that claim. If you thought he was, you were simply ignorant (not you specifically, but the general "you"). Anyone who has followed his career knows he takes bad shots. He’s no John Stockton. But he off-sets the inefficiency by imposing his will on the game and hitting big shots. He was able to do that in Charlotte under Paul Silas and Golden State under Don Nelson – two completely different coaches. Yet he can’t do that under Dunleavy because of the completely predictable offense that features giving it to the post time after time in isolation. If we were going to run this kind of offense we should have kept Sam Cassell and never signed Baron.

And again, I’m not absolving him of this either. I’m just saying that the system is a poor fit and we’re not making the most out of our asset. Good teams accentuate their strengths and minimize their weaknesses. In Baron, we have a PG who can run, create and cause havok to the other team. Yet our offense doesn’t allow him to do that. You don’t sign Shaq or Duncan put together a run and gun team. You run a half-court, post oriented team. You don’t get Nash and Wade and force them to walk it up every play (unless you have a YOUNG Shaq of course). We however get Baron and force him to walk it up and dump it into the post on every play.

by madglove on Dec 20, 2008 4:58 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree and blame Mike Dunleavy’s stubborness for this. He still seems so set in his ways and unable to allow some of the flow of the game to be dictated by his general on the floor (Baron). MD appears to be a bit of a control freak. The thing is, for the first time, we have legitimate inside, outside and slashing options. With more freedom to Baron, we could become a very hard team to defend against.

by ClippersUK on Dec 20, 2008 6:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Blame for that"!!

The CS “Superstar of the Game” mojo has never been stronger, than putting—who was it again?—in the hospital. Keep picking ‘em. Then somebody else will hurt us, but we hope it’s not so bad that the Clips don’t win.

Funky, funky Clipper team.

by citizen zhiv on Dec 20, 2008 5:24 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah :/

just checked the boxscore.. outscored 37-15 in the first quarter already?

Dodgers - 2008 NL West Champions
Cardinals - 2008 NFC West Champions

by wongy on Dec 20, 2008 6:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What the hell is happening

How many calls are going against us tonight….

by ClippersUK on Dec 20, 2008 6:19 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

is this the bench playing?

by highriser on Dec 20, 2008 6:33 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

60-30 still in the 2nd – this is beyond a joke Clips

by ClippersUK on Dec 20, 2008 6:37 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

I didn’t expect us to win this game…but we’re down by 37! Can DeAndre ever get some minutes?

by MichaelCage on Dec 20, 2008 7:18 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When is Dunleavy going to realize...

that we need to trade Kaman for a few players that could play off the bench.

Kaman IS pretty good but he is never on the floor. I think he sat out more games than he actually have been in this season.

by cliptakular on Dec 20, 2008 7:20 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Bucks are a bunch of jacka**es

They are still trying to posterize and humiliate our players…

I guess we would just have to blow them out on January

by cliptakular on Dec 20, 2008 7:44 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Deandre...

just made the ugliest post up move I’ve ever seen in an NBA game… he basically let out a frankenstein stomp before he turned to shoot, which of course missed badly, while Ralph quips “his offensive game is still a work in progress” haha, at least that provided a bit of entertainment watching this game.

by blowbyability on Dec 20, 2008 7:53 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey we bit them in one quarter!

Anyway, this game really killed my fantasy team.. I have Marcus

by cliptakular on Dec 20, 2008 7:59 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

UGLY

They do look tired out there. What is it 4 games in 5 days, 1 OT, 1 double OT, useless bench, starters playing an average of 43 mins a game. Yeah, they were going to lose tonight.

by Qlippers on Dec 20, 2008 8:15 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Posting from the Napa area...

…didn’t watch/listen to the game but just wanted to chime in a comment:

- Wine tasting is overrated
- Clippers deserve a pass after 4 in 5
- Got to watch the Kings vs Hornets though!…I think Salmos is definetly an underrated scorer and will give you some pretty good D also…good to have off the bench, but good enought to start in SacTown
- Listening to the Kings tv announcers, just makes a Clipper fan (actually, any real NBA fan) appreciate Ralph Lawler and Mike Smith…More dead air than Jim Rome.

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Dec 20, 2008 10:05 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep

They should have blown out Indiana the other night. So I guess last night’s W wasn’t a just a W after all. The Clippers have way to much talent to play like this.

by FireDunleavy.com on Dec 20, 2008 10:07 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not really bothered

By this loss. It was inevitable. The starters played 50 minutes last night. They’ve played 5 overtime sessions in the last 3 games. The blowout tells me it’s nothing less than fatigue. I’d be more worried if we lost another close, OT game where we had to run the starters in the floor again.

Onward…

by madglove on Dec 20, 2008 10:09 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

The starters could only play heavy minutes for so long. I’m kind of glad it wasn’t another close game…

by ghost_ride on Dec 20, 2008 11:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indy beats Philly, Lakers lose again...

Maybe it wasn’t such a horrible squad we lost to last night, they were able to beat pretty much the same philly playoff team from last year.

The parity in the NBA is really impressive this year.

by ghost_ride on Dec 20, 2008 11:27 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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