Clippers vs. Toronto - Game Preview and Open Thread
Toronto Raptors at Los Angeles Clippers, Dec 22, 2008 7:30 PM PST
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| December 22nd, 2008, 7:30 PM | ||
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| Probable starters: | ||
| Baron Davis |
PG | Jose Calderon |
| Eric Gordon |
SG | Jason Kapono |
| Al Thornton |
SF | Jamario Moon |
| Zach Randolph |
PF | Chris Bosh |
| Marcus Camby |
C | Jermaine O'Neal |
The Big Picture:
It's hard to know what to expect from the Clippers tonight. After embarrassing themselves in a 34 point loss in Milwaukee, will they be re-energized to be back home? Will they be able to prove that the last game was just a fluke? This game precedes an all-star-break-like hiatus of 5 days off - so maybe they'll just mail it in, and start their vacations a day early. If fatigue was the only reason for the debacle in Milwaukle, they should at least be a little fresher. But if the bench is incapable of providing any quality minutes, the starters will just wear down in the fourth quarter again. The unfortunate reality is that every positive trend for the team was negated in the Bucks game. They had been consistently competitive for about a month - until they lost by 34. Zach Randolph had scored at least 21 points and shot a high percentage - until he scored 4 and shot 2 for 11. They had held 13 consecutive opponents below 50% shooting - until Milwaukee shot 52%. It would be really great to be able to write that game off as a complete anomaly - let's hope the Clippers give us a reason to believe that tonight.
The Antagonist:
If the Clippers are the biggest disappointment in the Western Conference so far this season, the Raptors have that distinction in the East, and they may take the overall prize as well, especially given their play of late. While the Clippers have won 5 of 8 and 6 of 12, the Raptors have lost 5 straight and 9 of their last 11. Their lackluster season so far has cost Sam Mitchell his job, and the team has done no better with Jay Triano, posting a 2-8 mark under the new coach. Expectations were very high going into the season - Chris Bosh is a major star and had played like one while winning a Gold Medal in Beijing. Jose Calderon emerged as an all-star caliber point guard last season and signed a new contract over the summer. Then they traded their other point guard, T.J. Ford, for a former all star in Jermaine O'Neal. In theory, if O'Neal had anything at all left in the tank, this team would be among the top four in the East. Instead, they're languising near the bottom of the conference. So what happened? I'll tell you - I don't know. Bosh is playing as well or better. Calderon has been very good again. I think what may be happening here is that the Raptors were never as good as we thought they were. Guys like Anthony Parker and Jamarion Moon and Jason Kapono and Andrea Bargnani just aren't great NBA players. And the recent defections of Carlos Delfino and Jorge Garbajosa to the European leagues has hurt team depth. The one statistical area that jumps out is rebounding, where the Raptors are a league-worst minus 6 in differential. Whatever the reason, the Raptors are hurting right now.
The Subplots
- Defending Bosh. Marcus Camby is going to draw the tough one-on-one assignment of Chris Bosh. This is not Marcus' favorite thing to do - he'd really rather play free safety, taking a non-scoring and ignoring him to look for blocked shots. But there's no way that Z-Bo is taking Bosh, so it's up to Camby. Many Denver-watchers were critical of Camby's on-ball defense, and I myself have been in the past. After watching him more closely this season, I've concluded that it's really a matter of focus and effort. He can play great on-ball defense when he wants to. But sometimes he's lazy showing on picks, and closing out on shooters. The rim draws him like a magnet - he's had so much success in his career rebounding and blocking shots, and you just can't do those things chasing your man out to 20 feet. So sometimes he just doesn't. On a key possession during the Chicago game, Marcus was assigned to Nocioni and he was helping in the lane with Noc standing behind the arc. They kicked it out, and Marcus just stood there and watched as Nocioni nailed a crucial three. But Bosh is a special challenge, and I think that Camby will want to live up to that challenge.
- Rebounding. As mentioned above, the Raptors are a league-worst in rebound differential, by a pretty wide margin. As in worse than Golden State. Coincidentally, rebounding has been a pretty good baromter of success for the Clippers this season. When they outrebound opponents, they usually win, and they've been playing better of late partly because they've been rebounding better. If the Clippers can dominate the glass, they should win this game.
- Three point shooting. The Raptors don't use it as much as you might think, but they shoot a very good percentage from the arc (38%) and they have three key players ove 40% (Calderon, Kapono and Parker). The Clippers, on the other hand, are 29th in the league at 31%. Gee, that seems familiar. What is it about this team? I mean, the roster has almost completely turned over, and it certainly seemed like there were more shooters on the team now (Baron Davis, Eric Gordon, etc.), yet they remain among the league's worst in 3 point percentage year after year. What is that?
- Is Help on the Way? We've all sort of penciled in Chris Kaman and Ricky Davis to return against the Mavs in the next game Sunday. But according to Lisa Dillman in today's LA Times, that looks pretty unlikely for Davis, and Kaman might also be out until January. So Happy New Year, everyone.
- Bradley Brave drinking game. OK, I made up this game last season, but many of you are new here, so I'll give you the background and the rules. Another chance to play the Ralph Lawler drinking game. Anthony Parker is one of two active NBA players from Bradley University in Peoria, Ill. Ralph Lawler is from Peoria and is a Bradley alum. Here's how the game works. When Ralph says Bradley, you drink. When he says Bradley Braves, you chug. When he says Peoria, you drink. When he says Peoria Illinois, you chug. When he says Bradley Braves in Peoria Illinois, you chug, then open another one and chug it.
- Superstar for one game. Foreign-born point guards have been pretty big in this category when you consider the games that Beno Udrih and JJ Barea had against the Clippers. So Jose Calderon is a good candidate - but he may be too established to qualify. Then I realized that maybe it's just foreign-born that is the problem, since Nocioni killed the Clippers in Chicago. So maybe Bargnani is the man. I'm going to go with Calderon, in the hopes that my reverse-mojo can work it's magic on a key Raptor tonight.
- Get the Raptors perspective at Cuzoogle.
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Crazy Stat
No mention of the fact that Calderon has not missed a free throw ALL SEASON? 59 out of 59, yes 59 straight—but how many did he make in a row at the end of last season? Is anybody talking about or noticing this? What’s the record? And record for how many games played to start a season without a miss?
Grumpy Calvin Murphy is holding his breath
I don’t know who is more possesive about their record, Murphy or the ’72 Dolphins.
F-Elton!
What's the record?
The Clips seem to have pretty good mojo at times with great free throw shooters—latest case is Steve Blake, but I remember Nash missing some against them too.
by citizen zhiv on Dec 22, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
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by milleniumprince on Dec 22, 2008 4:39 PM PST reply actions
this isn't looking good.
no marcus, no taylor, already without kaman and davis2. randolph has two fouls and i just turned it on.
by WestsideBrandon on Dec 22, 2008 7:50 PM PST reply actions
eric gordon
has to go OJ Mayo status for the clippers to win
this is the second straight game that we've managed 32 points in a half.
ughhh…this is getting bad. This team needs to find some consistency.
by WestsideBrandon on Dec 22, 2008 8:40 PM PST reply actions
wait a minute
consecutive games with the same score is consistent, if nothing else. I think you need to ask for something other than consistency. How about some shooting ability?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 23, 2008 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Someone needs to take over the game
for them to win
randolph is down
fell on his ass really hard, had to walk out of the game, nothing serious seemed to happen
What a disgrace
A loss by 22 to the Raptors at home. Dunleavy should give a refund to everyone that bought a ticket to that game.
by FireDunleavy.com on Dec 22, 2008 9:57 PM PST reply actions
I don't see
how having Camby and Kaman out, then losing ZBo to injury has ANYTHING to do with Dunleavy. Hard to win any game with 60% of your starting line up out.
We get it. You don’t like MDsr. Give it a rest.
Of course you do...
that doesn’t surprise me. Just your lack of anything constructive to say about anything is what is surprising.
I agree...
Somehow FD manages to spin any loss towards Dunleavy. Never has anything positive to say about the Clippers in general, never gives them credit for any wins, barely ever comments on a winning post, but always see him commenting on a loss post.
Comments are to the tune of:
“They lost, Dunleavy sucks” - No really we lost? Looking at the score could have told me that. Why does he suck? Which specific plays were bad? What could he have done better in your opinion?
“The stands are empty good thing I got a refund on my season tickets.” Good for you. Yes we can see the stands are empty. Winning will help that. How can we take better steps toward that in your opinion? What are specific reasonable trades you would do? Yes yes, fire Dunleavy, what coach would you pick up and why? How would he fit in?
And
there it is.
With a bunch of fatigued overplayed starters, an injury was imminent to happen.
Hopefully, the knee to knee collision with Randolph is not serious.
Baron
I don’t know if its the system or what not Baron is really struggling…
Our ball movement is really stagnant as well.
Also, just in, Mike Taylor out for 6-8 weeks (Clippers Live). He’s having the surgery tomorrow.
X-Rays Negative
Looks like Randolph’s injury wont be anything serious, thankfully.
Good to see DeAndre get all that playing time…he helped spark that late run, but once Randolph went down we (not surprisingly) couldn’t get anything going.
Tonight’s poor shooters: Thornton: 1-10!, Novak: 2-9, BD: 4-15
If this were the start of a playoff series, Jake Voskhul might have been Toronto’s MVP runner-up, sending Randolph out of the game and roughing up Thornton twice. Talk about sharpening up your elbows.
Hopefully we can lick our wounds over the break and be healthy for the next one.
Thornton....
Did he mentally relapse? Does he forget that he’s a slasher first, we want him to go to the rim. If not, kick it out. If you can’t get a good shot, pass it!
Dunleavy
For those non-believers of Dunleavy, somewhat including myself, youre not alone. At least ten times throughout tonights game a “Fire Dunleavy” chant was started. I almost felt bad for the guy. Another upsetting game to attend at Staples.
I feel bad for the season ticket holders.
by FireDunleavy.com on Dec 23, 2008 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
There you go again.
Do you just have an automated response button…?
“Press 1 for: I feel bad for season ticket holders”
“Press 2 for: Dunleavy sucks”
“Press 3 for:…oh that’s all I ever really say”
Sorry, I'm taking joy in this season.
2 blowouts in a row after showing flashes of a decent team. Sorry many of my posts are the same. I don’t have the luxury to keep changing my posts, from ‘Oh the Clippers are going to win 50 this season, we don’t need Brand’ → ‘Oh the team just needs time to gel, they’ll be fine’, → ‘Oh damn, the refs’ → ‘Oh Randolph is going to solve everything, playoffs here we come’ → ‘damn refs’ → ‘Clippers need rest’ → ‘damn injuries’.
by FireDunleavy.com on Dec 23, 2008 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Post the why...
Something with some depth every once in awhile.
Take joy in Clipper loss = Clipper fan?! 0.o
by Newton Pham on Dec 23, 2008 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
I've posted the why
it’s on my site:
First off, the dunce’s offense is extremely predictable and boring. He’s a control freak and controls EVERY shot. This doesn’t allow the players to play their games, especially when the opportunities present themselves during the game.
The dunce also could quite possibly be the worst at making in-game adjustments. Opposing coaches continually change things up during games and the dunce does nothing to counter.
To make matters worse, when the game is on the line and the team needs the dunce to see something and call a play that will get a bucket, he’s absolutely horrible. Probably the least clutch coach in the entire league year after year.
Then there’s his many infinite player personell blunders:
Korolev- absolutely terrible pick, we needed a shooter like Granger and the reason the Clips had to take Gordon with this pick this year is cause the dunce F-ed up 3 years ago here.
Livy- too frail to ever reach his potential. The dunce gambled here and the Clips are still paying the price cause again, they could have taken Ben Gordon here and thus had their shooter once again.
Mobley- total panic move when Kobe didn’t sign. Like Kobe was really going to come to the Clips over the Lakers, dream on dunce.
T2- a complete waste of space if you ask me. He shows up one out of every 5-6 games and even then he doesn’t play any D and get no boards, something the 4 should bring not stand at the 3 point line all game.
Ross- the dunces infatuation with Ross baffles nearly everyone not names the dunce or ACD. A shooting guard that can’t shoot and forgot how to play D, so let’s give him more minutes. Typical Dunce.
Point guards- the dunce is responsible for an extremely long list of points that were among the worst to ever play in the NBA. I’d name them all here I think we all know who I am talking about.
Then there’s the mishandling of Corey that cost the Clips the last Playoff spot two years ago. His treatment of Corey was petty and childish, and this alone should have cost him his job.
His past is terrible as well. From the 17 point 4th quater WC Finals comeback for the Lakers against his Portland team, not playing Jermaine O’neal and under achieving everywhere he’s gone.
Ask Buck fans how the GM/coach combo went.
Not that he’s credible but, Rasheed Wallace still yells at him for screwing up their team.
No one wants to play for him. Baron will find this out soon.
by FireDunleavy.com on Dec 23, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Not generally why you hate Dunleavy
Can you point out specific things in each game?
You know…this is the game commentary thread. If you want to post generalizations on why you hate Dunleavy, post it in a fan post. ClipperSteve has asked you to do the same before as well.
A game thread is here to talk about the specific game, not for campaigning.
The NBA TV analyst dont even think that the Mavericks will be able to catch up and land a playoff seed. They are 16-11 . So Its clear the Clippers will not join the play off party .
I would love to think that the team can go on an incredible winning streak but after back to back blowouts, its less likley to happen.
Magic Number is 15
15 more losses and Clippers are mathmatically eliminated if it takes 48 wins to make the playoffs.
by FireDunleavy.com on Dec 23, 2008 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
You may want to check up on what a Magic number is
There is no “if it take x losses” clause in the magic number. The magic number is the required number of your losses plus the other team’s wins. Period.
Now, if we’re talking about when the clippers are essentially eliminated from the playoff race, we’re already there. Everyone knows that.
If we’re talking about the ‘magic number’, it’s in the 50’s – and it’s team-specific. 46 for Phoenix, etc.
But here’s a question… let’s say the Clippers go 39 and 15 the rest of the way, win 47 games and miss the playoffs. What then? Obviously what we’re looking for at this point is improvement. The playoffs are a moot point. Would you rather be playing well at the end of the season and miss the playoffs, or be playing poorly, make the playoffs and lose in the first round?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Dec 23, 2008 4:08 PM PST up reply actions

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