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Houston 103 - Clippers 96

The Rockets made twice as many three pointers as the Clippers in this game (10 versus 5) and almost three times as many free throws (31 versus 11).  That's a 35 point advantage for Houston in those two categories.  I'm no expert on basketball (although I did once stay at a Holiday Inn Express), but I'm pretty sure you can't win when that happens.

Rafer Alston once again looked like an all star against the Clippers with 21 points, 7 assists and 8 rebounds.  He was 5 for 9 on his three point attempts.  Not bad for a guy shooting 36% from the field on the season and 31% from deep.  If you're looking for telltale signs that the Clippers will lose a game you can start with this one:  when Baron Davis is badly outplayed by an opposition point guard that you're not even sure should be starting in the NBA (think Beno Udrih, Rafer Alston, those kind of guys), then the Clippers are probably not going to win.

It's hard to hold this one against Baron though.  He spent most of the first half in the locker room throwing up after a bout with food poisoning.  He played 34 minutes in the game, and went the distance in the second half, but he clearly didn't have it in this game. 

The bright spots continue to be the Clippers forwards.  Zach Randolph and Al Thorton have combined for 54, 50 and 47 in the last three ball games.  One would think that with that kind of productivity from the forward spots, the Clippers would be winning games.  Unfortunately, the defense has been giving up about 100 points a game in that time as well.

Randolph has an uncannily soft touch.  It's really astounding how many shots he gets up on the rim that just bounce around and eventually fall in.  When he's near the basket, he just gets it up there, and it doesn't have to be a perfect shot, but he somehow gets the ball in the hoop.

Thornton has been outstanding attacking the rim.  It's worth noting that he's had big games recently while being defended by Shawn Marion and now Ron Artest.  Last season, big time defenders tended to take Al right out of the game.  Not tonight.  He took the ball right at Artest, and got the best of him on many occasions.  He finished the game 11 for 20, and while his shot chart shows a few more jump shots, at least the shot was falling tonight.  He's also had very few shots in the last three that have felt forced - not too many of those '17 jab steps and a fallaway' touches.  He's also been rebounding better than at any other time in his career.  He's had 8 or 9 rebounds in each of the last 3 games, and it's no coincidence that the Clippers have been more competitive on the boards in those games.  (They battled Houston to a 47-47 standoff in this one.)

But despite the efforts of the forwards, and despite the fact that the Clippers fought back from 15 down to draw within 1 at the end of the third quarter, this one frankly never really felt much in doubt.  Yao Ming was 6 for 8 from the field and 12 for 13 from the line - 24 points on 8 shots.  And if felt like, with no Chris Kaman for the Clippers, he could score any time he wanted to.  His productivity is even higher when you consider that many if not most of Houston's threes were the result of Clipper double teams on Yao.  It's a boring and predictable but very effective strategy - surround Yao with a bunch of guys who can shoot with range, dump the ball into him and spread the floor.

With Kaman out and Baron hurting, this one would have been a major upset.  It sure would be nice to be 1-1 on this trip right now instead of 0-2.

It gets a lot easier in Memphis on Friday, but of course the Clippers have managed to lose to really bad teams this year as well.

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Losing every way possible

What’s the point to talk about how they lost? They’ve lost every possible way this season. This game was close but the Clips played from behind the whole way. You could tell they just didn’t have enough to push them over the top. It takes mental toughness to win the second half of a back-to-back and if there’s one thing this team doesn’t have, it’s mental toughness.

I can’t believe what a perfect storm this season has been. Every single bad thing that can happen CONTINUES to happen. Injuries, flu, food poisoning, etc. Good lord.

by madglove on Dec 3, 2008 10:17 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel like if you are a Clippers blogger

You need to be particularly comfortable and adept and breaking down and discussing losses. Historically speaking.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Dec 4, 2008 10:26 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another Loss, but Good Effort

I’m pretty sure we were all worried we’d get blown out tonight. After going down 15 points in the 3rd quarter, it looked like that was exactly what was going to happen, but I credit the guys for battling back. Cutting it to a 1 point game at the end of the third was a pleasant surprise, even if you knew they weren’t going to get over the top. Al Thornton has probably had the best three game stretch of his career (averaging 25 & 9), after bottoming out against New Orleans and Denver. Randolph looks to really be freeing him up, and hopefully Kaman will enjoy a similar benefit.

In fact, we may not have much of a bench right now, but when Kaman comes back it looks like we’ll have 5 players capable of going for 20 points on any given night. In order of most likely, Randolph, Thornton, BD, EJ, Kaman. Camby’s also proven capable of threatening 20 points once in a while. So we know we can score. Defense & rebounding is another story…

What are the chances we can sweep Minnesota & Memphis right now? Tough to say, but if we had a 50/50 chance to win each game, our chances of winning both would only be 25%. Since we seem to be playing much better than our record indicates, taking care of these next two games would be the time to prove it. Minnesota hasn’t been playing very good after their big home win against Detroit, but should still be the tougher matchup. Memphis seems like a true 4 win team as none of their losses look like they were very close to being wins. We get an off day tomorrow before another back to back, but it will be the same deal for Minnesota on Saturday. They’ll be traveling back from New Jersey to host us on Saturday.

by ghost_ride on Dec 4, 2008 12:53 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we have

to end 2-2…we are playing way better playing close game agaisnt playoff team, those should be an easy win.

by XXDC2XX on Dec 4, 2008 9:38 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So when does

that Timberwolve pick become non protected? It does not look like they are going to get out of the lottery any time soon.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Dec 4, 2008 8:46 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2011 draft...

It’s top 10 protected through 2010, so IIRC, we get it in June 2011 at the latest. It’s actually the longest term on a protected pick I’ve ever seen. Of course, at the time the Wolves had KG and had made the playoffs like 6 straight years, and had been to the WCF a couple years before. So I’m sure Elgin or MDsr or whoever was negotiating the trade said, yeah, whatever, thinking they’d get the 18th pick that year.

Which brings up what will likely be an NBA record. By the time this trade is completed, Sam Cassell (born 1969) could be traded for a draft pick born in the 90s. Players born 3 decades apart, traded for each other. Wow.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Dec 4, 2008 10:08 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Major upset?

Houston had McGrady out and Artest isn’t playing that well these days.

Detached tone in CS’ post.

by Jax on Dec 4, 2008 9:12 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No Answer For Ming...

Kaman might have helped there, but the Rockets are a solid team that can get by without McGrady. Out of the 4 games, this was the one we weren’t supposed to win, especially coming off a back to back.

by ghost_ride on Dec 4, 2008 10:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is a huge point

In terms of importance to their team, Kaman >>>> McGrady.

As would be a non-barfing Davis1.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Dec 4, 2008 10:42 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excuses, excuses, excuses

Kaman is less important now because of Randolph. McGrady is one of Houston’s big three. Yes BD was sick. The Clippers could have beaten Houston.

My point is that there are a number of reasons why the Clippers are 3-15, and it’s not just because this player was out or that player has the stomach flu. Look at Kevin’s post today in Clipperblog regarding defensive rotations, for example.

by Jax on Dec 4, 2008 10:49 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have no idea what you are talking about

Or how any of it relates to my comment.

Any team could beat any team. Its not a very interesting point.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Dec 4, 2008 10:50 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not surprised

that you can’t see the relation. But at least you got in your insult. Must make you feel a bit better.

by Jax on Dec 4, 2008 10:51 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What insult?

You wrote a comment that said nothing of substance. I don’t think its an insult to point it out.

Any team COULD beat any team. Its why they play the games, you know.

Players being out or playing sick matters. Seems obvious in the context of any given game.

Tracy McGrady is very inconsequential to the Rockets. His absence doesn’t hurt them much at all. Personally I’d put the Rockets big 3 and Yao, Scola and probably Artest. But in the context of you only understanding scoring, I could see how you may make this mistake.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Dec 4, 2008 11:00 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok, John R

My point is that Houston is a well-coached them. Feel free to read Kevin’s blog this morning which describes some weaknesses on the Clippers’ defensive game that can and should be addressed through coaching. There are always excuses why teams lose. But if you fall into the excuse trap, you might never be able to get out.

Your style leaves alot to be desired IMO. Even if I thought your post sucked, typically I wouldn’t say that in the context of a blog. I’d just move on. Or explain why I disagreed with your post.

by Jax on Dec 4, 2008 11:09 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let me give you an example

Like CS, I coach my son’s AYSO soccer team (U10). In our league, there is one team that’s composed primarily of club players and that is consequently more talented than everyone else (total 28 teams). Our team is one of the top four that is not quite as good as the best team. We are now in the playoffs. We hadn’t lost until we played the best team. We got trounced. The kids were initially crushed and were complaining that the other team was too good that it wasn’t fair, etc. We pointed out to them that they are doing a good job and that we would put in some schemes to allow us to do better next time (double elimination). And we told them to start looking at this quarter by quarter.

I don’t know whether we will beat the club team next time around. But I sure as heck am not going to teach my kids to give up or to avoid demanding the most from themselves. Or to search for excuses for losing.

As I’ve said, the Clippers’ play leaves alot to be desired right now. Yes, Kaman’s out. Yes, BD had a stomach virus. But there are a number of things that they can do to improve their game. They should focus on those things and we should stop the easy rationalizations.

My two cents.

by Jax on Dec 4, 2008 11:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kaman means a lot

You get a fresher Camby, Randolph, and don’t have to play Skinner/Davis(3). Obviously, this is a bigger deal on a 4 game week on the road.

You also get someone who has matched up with Yao favorably, team leader in FG%, etc.

To make this a competitive game was surprising to me, and it’s only because of the Randolph trade and the emergence of AT lately. I’ll be the first to admit, if it weren’t for those two things, we wouldn’t even be relevant right now.

by ghost_ride on Dec 4, 2008 11:00 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

But now we do have the players to compete. We shouldn’t be surprised that they do compete. We should demand as much from them and from their coach.

by Jax on Dec 4, 2008 11:11 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It'd be nice

To have BD healthy for a few games in a row. Not sure we’ve seen that yet.

by ghost_ride on Dec 4, 2008 10:49 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kamen out another 10 days

Memphis probably has this game circled and isn’t going to make this game easy.

by FireDunleavy.com on Dec 4, 2008 9:14 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can see it already

“QRoss Beats the Clippers”

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Dec 4, 2008 10:02 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Dec 4, 2008 10:08 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That,

would be, poetic, injustice.

by supac on Dec 4, 2008 10:47 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

with a last minute 15ftr

that he missed all last year, to boot!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Dec 4, 2008 10:56 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice Fodder for FDDC

Notice how they don’t show any teams who’ve rebounded to respectability after a slow start.

by ghost_ride on Dec 4, 2008 11:39 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They do show it.

None of those 20 teams listed finished with over 15 wins. I do think the Clippers will finish over 20 wins though.

by FireDunleavy.com on Dec 4, 2008 11:44 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good Times

I have to say that I am really enjoying watching the Clippers right now. I’m sorta used to losing, which is never easy, but super-low expectations can be liberating. What’s the difference between a 3-13 team and a 3-14 team? Not that much.

But it’s really fun to watch the new parts as they try to come together. What I’ve seen thus far from Randolph is nothing but joyful and exciting, a really nice prescription for a major Clipper ailment. And the young guys are all fantastic—Thornton and Gordon and Taylor are all playing major minutes and they’re exciting to watch. Camby blocks shots and rebounds. And I love Baron Davis. I can’t wait for Kaman to come back.

Really, it’s a great time to be a Clipper fan. We took the hit and the team is still out there playing hard, and this team is about 1000% more fun to watch than seeing Tim Thomas, Cat Mobley, and Ricky Davis. The Clips were stabbed in the heart by Brand and gutpunched with injuries to Camby and BDavis and RDavis and who knows who else, and they’re not going to win anything any time soon. That’s just the way it is. But the big personnel changes have taken some exciting twists and we should be seeing some results eventually. I was as skeptical of the Randolph trade and I could possible imagine, but the sheer joy of getting to see Eric Gordon hit shots and make plays, and seeing BD playing with Mike Taylor, all of it instead of the plodding, steady—and steadily disappointing—play of Mobley, not to mention never having to see TThomas again, and getting to watch Randolph hit shots and grab rebounds instead, it’s all awesome. I thought that the Clips would be okay and be competitive hanging on to Thomas and Mobley for two years and then getting a great free agent, but now that feels like it would have been a horror show. This is fun. Let’s hang in there and see where it goes.

by citizen zhiv on Dec 4, 2008 11:51 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks Mike D.

Dunleavy has had 6 years to build this team, what make you think things are different?
See where it goes? I know it’s not going to a playoff birth.

by FireDunleavy.com on Dec 4, 2008 12:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It would've been a horror show

You’re absolutely correct. God forbid we’d give Dunleavy props for making this bold in-season move. Even if it was motivated to save his own ass, and even if he’s not a very good coach he’s made some solid personnel moves considering the players that were on the market and available in the draft.

by ghost_ride on Dec 4, 2008 12:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reality

TT’s and Cuttino’s contracts were too long. Cat’s in particular given his age. Coming into this season the team did not have a legit young SG and it was obvious that this was going to be a problem.

Having said that, I’ll give him props for making the move. Perhaps it would have been better to wait and see what we’d get, and avoid four years of Zbo’s huge salary, but that team would have been extremely difficult to watch. His decision was not unreasonable. Now he has to make this team, which can and should win, into a winner.

I do think that losing EB might have been a blessing in disguise considering what’s going on with him.

by Jax on Dec 4, 2008 12:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ZBo

I think ZBo is three years, not four. One year past the 2010 Free Agent Bonanza, although Camby expires then.

And age is a good point. ZBo is only 27—just a couple years older than Thornton. He seems pretty healthy, and I’m curious to see what might happen when he’s playing for Dunleavy: we all remember when MD challenged EB to get in prime condition, and the way that he improved. And add the fact that you have ZBo getting comfortable with the 3 during his brief stint with D’antoni, and he looks a lot better than I ever would have hoped.

Yeah, it’s funny to look at it as if the Clippers unloaded bad contracts and got an elite player, rather than the idea that the Clips took on a bad contract and gave up valuable capspace. Right now it looks like a very good deal, and I’m shocked and happy about it.

by citizen zhiv on Dec 4, 2008 1:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pretty Lucky Indeed

Resigning Brand to play alongside BD would’ve have rightfully created a lot of buzz, but when you look at, we’d pretty much be paying Brand 75M for services already rendered. He gets to burden Philly now with a less than stellar contract.

by ghost_ride on Dec 4, 2008 2:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Club Optimism

at it’s best Zhiv. And I agree with you. This team reminds me a little of the Clips when they had all the young athletic guys (Maggs, QRich, Lamar, Dooling, DMiles). Once they started figuring each other out, they were a fun team to watch. They didn’t necessarily win a lot of games, but they were entertaining, and quite respectable at home, if memory serves.
This team definitely has the potential to be good, I don’t think people will argue that. But this team is a lot better to watch than the one that started the season. The losses, however heartbreaking, are to be expected in the short-term I think. I love watching Mike Taylor, EJ and Al bring it every night too. Hoepfully, soon they can start winning games and head this team in the right direction.

by Clip Show on Dec 4, 2008 1:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree

I think this team is going to get it together eventually and start playing well. They’ll get up to 20 wins and cruise past 25, but it will be too late and the games that they’ve given away in this first quarter of the season will really sting. The LO-Brand-QRich-Maggs-Miles team was playing great and was really fun to watch, but they needed to win out and be perfect and it wasn’t going to happen. If all goes well and things start to pick up, it seems like a classic recipe for the same thing to happen. Lots of good times but some intense frustration at not getting it together much much sooner. But at least it’s fun to watch a team with new components that keeps getting better and is on the upswing.

by citizen zhiv on Dec 4, 2008 3:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we are going to end up with more than 20 wins

at least so this list seems moot. They are just speculating.

by bestclipfan on Dec 4, 2008 1:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Randolph appreciation

Never thought I would be doing this, but I’m very intrigued by the guy. As CS says:

“Randolph has an uncannily soft touch. It’s really astounding how many shots he gets up on the rim that just bounce around and eventually fall in. When he’s near the basket, he just gets it up there, and it doesn’t have to be a perfect shot, but he somehow gets the ball in the hoop.”

And you know what else? For all the times that the uncanny soft touch results in kind bounces, how often does he get nothing but net? When he sets up on the right block and you’re watching on TV—the Clippers attacking left to right on your radio dial—it’s really something to watch: perfectly on line, perfect rotation, nice little arc, right into the net. It’s pretty sweet. I’m not sure that he’s going to continue to be able to shoot as well as he has the last three games, but I’m impressed. He seems to be able to get the shot off pretty well too, and then there’s also the junk he picks up around the basket. I think he really likes playing with Camby too, not to mention BD and EJ and Thornton.

It’s good to have great shooters on your team. Gordon’s shot is amazing. He’s going to have growing pains, but the kid can shoot, and he can do other stuff as well. Randolph’s soft touch and sweet shot has been an unexpected surprise. We knew he had a strong offensive game, and we’ll probably find all sorts of reasons to be frustrated over time, but at this point it’s all good.

by citizen zhiv on Dec 4, 2008 6:04 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

EJ can do other stuff as well

Thank god for that, him & Camby are our defense right now, though Thornton has been picking it up as of late.

Dallas continues to be horrible at home lately…

by ghost_ride on Dec 4, 2008 7:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Randolph's offensive game

is well known to many of us. That’s not the issue. The issues, rather, are his reputation, effort and (lack of) defense.

by Jax on Dec 4, 2008 11:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So far...

I would say I am please with his effort and passion out on the floor. The lack of defense is still there, and not sure that it will ever get better. I suppose he is a lot like Maggette in that respect….in that he is who he is. If the Clips can put 3 or 4 other mediocre to great defenders around him (Camby, Kaman, Gordon, BD, Thorton?), it may work out. If not, then they may be in more trouble than we think.

by Clip Show on Dec 5, 2008 8:58 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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