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Clippers at Memphis - Game Preview and Open Thread

Los Angeles Clippers @ Memphis


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3-15 4-14
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December 5, 2008 - 5:00 PM
TV: FSN Prime Ticket
Probable starters:
Baron Davis
PG Mike Conley
Eric Gordon
SG O.J. Mayo
Al Thornton SF Rudy Gay
Zach Randolph
PF Darrell Arthur
Marcus Camby
C Marc Gasol

The Big Picture:

The Clippers have played well against some decent teams in the last few weeks.  Let's see how they do against a really bad one.  The Grizzlies are a horrible, terrible, no good, very bad 4-14 on the season.  Of course, that makes them a game better than the Clippers.  I would like to think that the Clippers will at least take care of beating the weaker teams in the NBA this season - they have had a tough schedule to open the season, there's no denying that.  But then again, they have home losses to the Warriors and Sacramento, so there's just no telling.  (By the way, of the Grizzlies' four wins, two came against the Dubs, and one came against the Kings.)  The Clippers forwards have been terrific lately - Zach Randolph and Al Thornton have combined for 50+ points and 20+ rebounds between them in the last three games.  You'd think the team would have more to show for that than a single win.  2-2 on this trip would be OK, considering where the team has been, and tonight in Memphis and tomorrow in Minnesota were always the more likely wins.  Let's see if they can put it together.  A laugher like the game in Oklahoma wouldn't make me mad.

The Antagonist:

We've already mentioned the record (4-14) and the fact that 3 of the wins came against the struggling Warriors and Kings.  They're also riding a 7 game losing streak in which they have not been competitive.  When the Grizzlies traded Pau Gasol to the Lakers last season, it obviously wasn't to help their team in the short term.  The bad news is, they used all that cap space they had this summer to sign... Quinton Ross... to an unguaranteed minimum contract.  I'm not kidding - that was their big signing.  Oh, and some Iranian dude who hasn't played yet.  I'm being a little unfair - they did sign Josh Smith to an offer sheet.  But didn't that seem designed to appease the fan base?  Did anyone really think Atlanta was going to let him go?  Now GM Chris Wallace gets to say, "Hey, I tried to improve the team, but those darn Hawks matched." The other big event of the off-season was a trade for O.J. Mayo (and we'll see the other half of the trade tomorrow night).  I give them credit for being bold - but when you take all of the 'bad contract guys' out of the equation (they got rid of Brian Cardinal's 11 on a scale of 10, but took back Antoine Walker's 10 and Marko Jaric's 9), the trade boils down to Kevin Love and Mike Miller for Mayo.  (Walker hasn't played a minute this season, and Jaric has appeared briefly in 7 games.)  Mayo's been good for them - but they gave up arguably their best player from last season in Miller, plus the fifth player in the draft.  He'd better be damn good.  The net effect in Memphis is the mother of all youth movements (or is it the daughter of all youth movements?)  The Grizzlies starting lineup consists of three rookies, a second year player, and a third year player.  Their oldest starter is 23 year old rookie Marc Gasol, Pau's brother, who was a Lakers second round pick in 2007 and was part of the package for his brother.  All of the Grizzlies starter, and two key reserves, are younger than Al Thornton.

The Subplots

  • Rookie 2 Guards.  Since they were in high school, O.J. Mayo and Eric Gordon were destined for the NBA.  Mayo was the bigger name, and viewed as the likely number one pick, before they started college, but Gordon was the next best shooting guard in that high school class.  Midway through their freshman years, scouts had cooled on Mayo a bit at USC, and Gordon was lighting people up in Indiana, and EJ moved ahead of OJ on most draft boards.  After Gordon suffered an injury and finished the season in a shooting slump, Mayo passed him again.  Mayo ended up being picked third, Gordon seventh.  Mayo was the starter, and a go to scorer, from day one in Memphis.  Gordon got the job in LA after Cat Mobley was traded and Ricky Davis was hurt.  They're both playing well - Mayo is leading Memphis in scoring at over 21 a game, Gordon is averaging almost 17 as a starter.  They're both shooting well, especially when you factor in the number of threes they take - Mayo's effective FG% is 51.6%, Gordon's is 51%.  This should be a fun matchup.
  • The other Gasol.  I'm looking forward to seeing him play.  I've only ever really seen him with Spain.  He's bigger than Pau, but certainly less skilled.  He's averaging about 12 and 7 in only 29 minutes per game, and shooting 56.5%, so that's very respectable.  It's looking like he's the best player the Grizz are likely to end up with from the trade, since the Laker draft picks will be at the end of the first round.  Somehow, I'm not quite as worried about this Gasol in Memphis though.
  • Darrell Arthur.  Chris Wallace can say that he got two starters in the Pau Gasol trade (they actually drafted Donte Greene with the Lakers pick, and then traded him for Arthur).  Of course, if they were to put Javaris Crittendon in the starting lineup, then they could say they got three starters.  It's the NBA people - a couple of borderline starters does not equal a superstar.  Not even close.  He's doing a decent job on the boards, averaging a hair less than 10 per 36 minutes.  But it's not a good sign when your power forward is shooting under 40%.
  • Baron versus the young guys.  The Grizzlies have a couple of pretty good young point guards in Mike Conley (21) and Kyle Lowry (22).  But they're both on the smallish side, and Baron should be able to overpower them.  Conley and Lowry split time at the point, with Conley playing about 26 minutes per game and Lowry playing the other 22.
  • Athletic threes.  Rudy Gay may have been the best athlete in the 2006 draft, and Al Thornton probably gets that distinction in the 2007 draft. 
  • No contest.  Actually, looking up and down these rosters, the Clippers are just the much better team.  They pretty much dominate three of the head-to-head matchups (center, power forward and point guard) with all star caliber veterans playing against youngsters, and in the other two, the matchups are eerily similar.  I guess you give a slight edge to Mayo and Gay over Gordon and Thornton, but the Clippers wings can hold their own.  I'm saying, LA really needs to win this game.
  • Check out the preview at Grizzlies blog 3 Shades of Blue.

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Hopefully this will be settled early

and we get a good look at how Mike Taylor matches up against the Grizz PG’s, too. He’s been a nice pickup and one of the few bright spots on the bench.

by ClipCat on Dec 5, 2008 8:03 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I couldn't have been more wrong

about this game. Something is really rotten in Clipper land. I’m glad I didn’t waste my time watching this game, but I can only surmise the Clippers dogged it tonight.

How did this happen? What is up with Baron? How does Z-Bo finish with only 5 boards? What happened to Thornton and EJ tonight? The whole team better do some real soul searching after this disaster. There just aren’t any excuses left.

by ClipCat on Dec 5, 2008 8:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pre-Game

I wrote a pregame commentary on 3 Shades of Blue (www.3shadesofblue.com) for this game as well and have linked back to you guys.

Please visit 3shadesofblue.blogspot.com

by chipc3 on Dec 5, 2008 8:15 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks

I’ve been pretty bad about linking the opponent sites this season. I’ll get that on there.

BTW, you’re SB nation signature still has the old URL…. you should update that with that fancy new one.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Dec 5, 2008 8:35 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What a shame

I really like 3 Shades of Blue. I think it’s a good blog run by a passionate fan. I read their multi-piece interview with the Grizzlies owner and was impressed.

Having said that, the part of their preview regarding Gordon is really a shame. He clearly has not seen EJ actually play this season and is just making generalizations from pre-draft websites. I get it, you’re a fan of the Grizz and there’s no reason to watch a bad team like the Clips, but if you don’t know, say you don’t know. Don’t make it up. Comparisons to Ben Gordon end with the last name and the physical similarities. Their on-court games are nothing alike. Especially since BG is a shot jacker and EJ has proven to be very active and capable on defense.

by madglove on Dec 5, 2008 10:25 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I did mean to say something about that...

Q’s shooting 37% from three this season. He’s made 10 of them in 16 games. That’s his career high, and in fact he’d only made 12 in 302 games coming into this season. Ironically, MDsr, who led the league in 3 pointers made as a player, has the opposite effect as a coach.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Dec 5, 2008 9:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If the Clips don't win this game

it may indeed be panic time.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Dec 5, 2008 9:28 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Isn't it already?

I mean, it can’t get much worse. Now were just talking about different levels of panic. :P

by Clip Show on Dec 5, 2008 9:31 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Season is already over.

What’s there to panic about? You can’t honestly think the Clippers have a shot at the playoffs at 3-15.

by FireDunleavy.com on Dec 5, 2008 10:41 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Still a lot at stake

Even if the playoffs are an impossibility, there’s a big difference between getting back to mediocrity versus a full out collapse.

by ghost_ride on Dec 5, 2008 1:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We will lose by 15 tonight. No heart in BD.

by Qlippers on Dec 5, 2008 9:51 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It would be difficult

to lose to Memphis by 15. Wouldn’t it?

by Jax on Dec 5, 2008 10:03 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not necessarily...

The young and athletic Grizzlies strike me as the kind of team that will lose 65 games this season – but could win big on occasion when things are really clicking. There’s no lack of talent on the roster, with 5 lottery picks from the last 6 drafts sprinkled here and there (and top 3 picks from the last 2 drafts). They’re young and not great yet – but they could get on a roll.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Dec 5, 2008 10:19 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True - Mayo and Gay are good

But they shouldn’t be able to stop ZBo without the double which should free up BD and the wings to do some serious damage.

What is the “no heart in BD” comment about?

by Jax on Dec 5, 2008 10:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jax is looking prophetic now...

we’re down by 17 with 4 minutes left…

by MichaelCage on Dec 5, 2008 7:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not prophetic - anyone can see that BD and MDSr are like oil and water

But hey, MDSr signed the guy so he’s stuck with him. He has no idea how to construct an offense that would work with BD, and BD can’t play in MDSr’s offense (not that anyone would want to).

by Jax on Dec 5, 2008 10:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no heart...

and no defense either…and maybe not much offense

by MichaelCage on Dec 5, 2008 7:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MUST win

There’s no excuse (though I’m sure we’ll try to come up with many anyway) if we lose this game. This is a poor team not interested in winning right now. If the Clips have any interest in being somewhat competitive this season, this game is a must win. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

by madglove on Dec 5, 2008 10:02 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who will be the star?

Great preview, as always. I think you might want to add a regular feature, guessing who is going to be the “mediocre or unheralded guy who will play like an all-star.” The Clips have already put together an impressive rogue’s gallery, adding Berea and Alston already on this trip. And Alston becomes the 2nd Rocket on the list, after the Clips were torn up by zhiv—forgetting his name—in the first meeting between the teams.

So who will it be tonight? Maybe Conley. It’s kind of weird, because it’s hard to imagine how the Clips, with their solid-seeming lineup, wouldn’t take care of business tonight, but they always seem to find a way.

by citizen zhiv on Dec 5, 2008 1:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crittendon

If it’s not Ross, it will be Critendon, right? Ross has the former Clipper angle, Crittendon the former Laker. Not to mention that he was on the Clippers draft board last year. It’s hard to see Ross really going off – he just doesn’t have the game. He’s not Anthony Morrow, right? But it could happen with Crittendon.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Dec 5, 2008 2:42 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is what I'm talking about

This kind of acute CS analysis is exactly why the “mediocre all-star” needs to be a regular feature of the previews. Need a better name than mediocre all-star too.

So just how many guys have gone for a career high (in either points or rebounds) against the Clippers this year? The problem with that is it doesn’t quite capture a completely unlikely player taking over the game, like Millsap or Morrow.

I’m thinking it might be Darrell Arthur’s night. Gets a bunch of rebounds, including on the offensive glass. Easy put backs and the next thing you know he’s hitting 8 footers. I don’t see Mark Gasol going nuts against Camby, but we hear that ZBo doesn’t play any defense, so it could be the PF. But I like Conley too—supposed to be a marquee player, high pick, has never really exploded or even done very much—isn’t he due to go for 30? It’s hard when Mayo takes so many shots, however. Maybe it’s Mayo, and he gets 50 tonight, goes completely unconscious. I don’t think he’s going to get the best of Gordon, however, and certainly not to that degree.

The other thing—as long as Club Optimism is shut down until Randolph and Gordon start floating up shots—is to predict when the drought is going to come. 2nd part of the 3rd quarter, 6 pt. lead turns into a 10 pt deficit.

Naw—not going to happen.

by citizen zhiv on Dec 5, 2008 3:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right

He’s got to be the guy. What’s his career high? The best thing will be if we get to hear Milph tell us, just one more time, that “QRoss scored over 20 ppg in college…”

by citizen zhiv on Dec 5, 2008 2:15 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

speaking of Berea

I guess he played well against the Suns. Crafty little dude. It’s kind of like Morrow coming out against the Clips. Always a good time to get a little confidence, show you’re a good player, when you’re up against the Clips. First time that Q Ross has ever played against the Clips—probably just what he needs to finally get over the hump.

by citizen zhiv on Dec 5, 2008 2:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Barea got the start

In Dallas’ next game, with Josh Howard still out, Barea was in the starting lineup in Dallas’ win over Phoenix. Gerald Green may have crashed and burned in yet another city – his fourth in 4+ seasons. He played fewer than 2 minutes last night after being a starter most of the year.

Also, Morrow came back to earth. After other-worldly numbers against the Clippers (15 for 20 with 4 threes) and in the next game (8 for 12 with 4 threes), he’s 10 for 37 with 2 DNP-CD’s in GSW’s last seven games.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Dec 5, 2008 2:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clippers down by 15 now

Game is not over or anything, Dunce has got to be fired, contract or not.

by FireDunleavy.com on Dec 5, 2008 6:36 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we go 0-4 on this trip...

Should there be any consequences? I suppose things can continue this way until the end of the season…I’m a bit stunned, I had thought that we would have blown our the Grizz tonight, but we might indeed be the worst team in the league, paper talent be damned. Lets hope that we can mount a comeback in the 4th and pull this out…

by MichaelCage on Dec 5, 2008 6:48 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

its over, pathetic…

by highriser on Dec 5, 2008 6:57 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

im sick of this team. they play with no heart at all.

by andrewexd on Dec 5, 2008 7:18 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just play

taylor
gordon
thornton
camby
dandre

lose 60 games get the 1st pick.

by andrewexd on Dec 5, 2008 7:58 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree...

We need to rebuild…this is getting embarassing…losing by 15 to Houston might be tolerable, but losing by 15 to the Grizz isn’t.

by MichaelCage on Dec 5, 2008 8:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bad Game

Not much going right in that one. OJ Mayo looked good, so did Rudy Gay. Clips got a slow start against some zone from Memphis, Memphis guys got some confidence, Clips were sloppy.

Team that was fun to watch earlier in the week was bad, boring, frustrating and lifeless, makes you wonder why do I have any interest in a team that supposedly has talent, losing against one of the worst teams in the league.

by citizen zhiv on Dec 5, 2008 8:22 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Memphis will be good one day

They have some good, young players and are building a team around them.

by Jax on Dec 5, 2008 10:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And The Bottom Falls Out...

I wasn’t sold on the idea that we’d win both of these road games against weak teams, but I thought Minnesota would be the more likely loss. Losing to the Grizzlies in a blowout really takes the cake. They should be called the Losers. BD should be shelved until he wants to compete, or until he can at least get his mind right. Thornton’s luck also ran out tonight, and we paid for it big time.

by ghost_ride on Dec 6, 2008 1:21 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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