Memphis 93 - Clippers 81
Throughout this miserable season, we've assumed that the Clippers were actually a decent team caught up in circumstances that caused them to have a deceptively bad record. Oh, they're better than 0-6 - just look at the teams they've played. Oh, they're better than 1-9 - they just need more time together. Oh, they're better than 2-13 - they've lost some real heart breakers. Well, now they're 3-16, and I'm beginning to think that they're NOT better than 3-16. Come to think of it, they played so crappy down the stretch against Miami, they really should be 2-17.
There's no such thing as a quality loss. If you have a chance to beat the Nuggets on the last shot, and you miss, it's a loss. Period. Nothing quality about it. Certainly nothing quality about losing a 12 point lead in the last 5 minutes in Dallas.
Much more telling than the team's mis-adventures in losing close games to decent (not even particularly good, just decent) teams is their record against the bad teams. The Clippers have now played 4 games against teams with 5 or fewer wins. They are 1 and 3 in those games, and none of the three losses were close. (Some red hot three point shooting at the end of the Kings game made the final score respectable, but the game was not really close.)
This, dear Citizens, is a bad team.
I'm not really sure why they're as bad as they are. The parts seem to be pretty good. But the total is clearly less than the sum of the parts - call them the inverse synergy team.
In a normal world, this is when the coach loses his job. Right? I mean, P.J. lost his job, and no one had any expectations for the Thunder. Eddie Jordan lost his job, and the Wizards leading scorer has been out all season. Sam Mitchell lost his job, and the Raptors were a game under .500. Were expectations that much higher for the Raptors? I agree that following an embarrassing 39 point loss to the Nuggets is a good time to make that sort of move. How about after a double digit loss to a team with 4 wins? How about after scoring 81 points against a team that allows 100 points per game?
I'm not a big fan of the coaching revolving door. But at some point, don't you have to do something? There aren't that many things you can do. It is certainly true that players can tune coaches out. The irony here is that none of these players have actually played for the guy for more than one season. Nonetheless, it sure looks like they aren't motivated.
And that's the real problem, isn't it? Do these guys look like they're playing hard? Not to me. How else do you explain getting out-rebounded 40 to 25 against the Grizzlies? It's not like Darrell Arthur or Marc Gasol went off and grabbed 15 rebounds. The Grizzlies outrebounded the Clippers by committee. Every Memphis player who was on the floor for at least 5 minutes got at least 3 rebounds. By contrast, Baron Davis got 0 rebounds in 43 minutes, Eric Gordon got 1 in 39 minutes, and forward Al Thornton got 3 in 41 minutes. It's a cliche, but it happens to be true - rebounding is a hustle stat. The Grizzlies just wanted the ball more than the Clippers tonight. How else does Kyle Lowry get more rebounds in 24 minutes than Baron, EJ and Al COMBINED?
Look, it's not my money. And if it was, I probably wouldn't fire the coach. I'm the kind of guy that just limps along with what he's got, especially if making a change means admitting a mistake. I won't buy a new dishwasher, because the one we have is still pretty new. So I just deal with the fact that nothing gets rinsed, and my water always tastes like soap. That's what I do, because I'm a lazy idiot. But what real NBA teams do in this situation is, they fire the coach. Even if he has two years left on his contract. I'm just saying.
Would GM Dunleavy possibly pull a Riley and kick himself upstairs, and let Kim Hughes coach the rest of the season? Is that an option? I'm ready for something.
As for the game, Rudy Gay and O.J. Mayo dominated their matchups with Al Thornton and Eric Gordon. And the Grizzlies got 15 more rebounds than the Clippers. And that was about it.
You can't even argue that Chris Kaman would have helped. After all, Randolph and Camby combined to play 77 minutes in the game, and were the Clippers best players. That would leave Kaman 19 minutes, or take one of the other guys off the floor. For long term wear and tear, fewer minutes would be great. But the absence of Kaman in this one game, when Randolph and Camby were playing well, seems irrelevant.
The problem goes beyond the absence of Kaman. And don't tell me Ricky Davis is going to make a difference. The problem is bigger than that.
And the Clippers are 3-16. Right where they belong.
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Thanks
for being a voice of reason. Right about now, I can’t think of another option besides a coaching change. I sit at home watching the games and think to myself: “This is the least motivated team I’ve ever had the displeasure of witnessing”.
A lot of people try to argue that coaching isn’t worth more that a couple of wins each season. I’ve never subscribed to this concept, and truthfully I consider the notion utter nonsense. The coach sells a style of play to the team. Either they buy it, or they don’t. If they buy it, the team may or may not be successful. Talent, both of the team and the oppostion, plays a vital role in this.
BUT, if they don’t buy into it, it’s practically impossible to have any semblance of success.
I honestly don’t think that this team is buying what MDsr is selling. Frankly, I’m not either.
The players don’t believe in him, and consequently, they don’t believe in themselves as a unit.
I’ve advocated firing MDsr for a few seasons, even before we we’re one game away from the WC finals. Maybe my thoughts were a bit premature at that point. But now, I’m confident that he needs to go. I just don’t believe that has what it takes. Period. He looks nervous. He appears agitated. It feels as though he’s playing vicariously through his play calling.
I’ve never missed an opportunity to watch a game when other obligations, or lack there of, permitted.
But tonight, while my roommate (die hard Faker fan) giggled with glee as my team was convincingly throttled by a bunch of scrubs and a coach I’ve never heard of, I wondered…
Why am I watching this?? I know exactly what’s going to happen.
Iso.
Iso.
Brick.
Defensive breakdown.
Iso.
Missed rebound.
Turnover.
Time out.
Iso.
Brick.
We lose.
MDsr won’t leave soon enough as far as I’m concerned. If only Mr. Sterling was half of a human being. He might actually realize that this isn’t working.
Oh me, oh my!!!! The Red Baron has come home!!
by Clipper T on
Dec 5, 2008 11:13 PM PST
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We do deserve our record...
This is a bad team, plain and simple. Quality losses are all right if you’re starting two rookies and a bunch of second year guys. The most disturbing thing about most of our losses is that it has been our veterans who are faltering down the stretch; making bad decisions, turning the ball over, not blocking out, leaving their man open, and jacking up ridiculous shots. In short, we have been losing because we have been stupid. So we deserve every loss and then some.
There seems to be a great disconnect between the coaching staff and the players. Either the players are choosing not to execute any plays that Dunleavy is calling, or they are incapable of carrying out his game plan and Dunleavy has not been able to adapt to his personnel. The first would mean that the coaching staff have lost control of the team, and the second would mean that the players are incompatible with the coach’s system; in which case, the fault is split between the GM for selecting the players, and the coach for not being able to effectively communicate and inspire his charges. Unfortunately for Dunleavy, he is both the GM and the coach, so the blame for bringing in Baron must be his, as is the inability to coach Baron and making all the personnel fit.
Beyond that, the team quit tonight. There was no effort on both ends of the floor. Memphis had lost 7 frigging games in a row, and most of them were blow outs. For them to turn around and blow us out was a disgrace. Almost to a man, the Clippers showed no heart. Maybe that epic fourth quarter collapse against Dallas broke the spirit of this team. Any positive momentum from that Miami win is now long gone. This team has regressed tremendously once again. It is one step forward, six steps back with this squad. And this loss is more damaging than the loss to Sacramento at home after beating Dallas. That one was perplexing, this one substantiates that loss and tells us that this is one bad basketball team.
Dunleavy once said that you can judge a team after 20 games into an NBA season. Tomorrow night at Minnesota will be our 20th game. If we finish this trip 0-4, and 3-17 in our first 20, will Dunleavy publicly admit that this team is a failure? I really can’t see any reasons for keeping Dunleavy or Baron at this point. It is time to rebuild. Just tear it all down and start over with the rookies and Thornton. Then, at least, there will be “quality losses,” and we won’t have to cringe at the games.
I just want to see hustle out there now…play guys like DeAndre and Novak, and bring guys in that are hungry for minutes and won’t sleep-walk their way through a loss. That’s not too much to ask for is it?
by MichaelCage on
Dec 5, 2008 11:17 PM PST
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This is becoming unbearable.
I really wish Dunleavy would get the sack, but it just isn’t going to happen. Let’s face it, our players are lazy (at least lazier than 28 other teams players). We need a change. Personally, I would approach Indiana and trade Kaman and Hart or Ricky for Danny Granger and Mike Dunleavy Jr. I know MDJr is injured but he will be back. One thing I know for sure – he will be an energy player that motivates the whole team. Surely playing for his dad will boost his effort to 100%. Danny Granger is another energy player that can score and rebound. He can be a superstar on the right team. Maybe we need to also give up a pick or possibly even go as far as Gordon but we desperately need a change and we need to think team players who have energy and can start. This was a very disappointing game – we were simply out hustled.
by citizen bob on
Dec 5, 2008 11:25 PM PST
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i don't think Granger is going anywhere, not to us
i don’t really think we have any combo of players that will bring us their number #1 player.
In terms of MDSr, I don’t think he’s going anywhere soon. Then again, if they lose 3 or 4 more in a row, that could reach a breaking point. For now, he’s going to have a longer leash than we think, since we are only a few games into the ZBO era. I find it hard to believe they wouldn’t at least give him 10 games post trade. Then again, the firings have been faster than usual this year.
In terms of players, I think the lack of depth and SG/SF is absolutely killing the Clips. Thornton and EJ are playing way too many minutes. These guys are young and athletic, playing them 40+ minutes a game quickly wears them down. Thornton is good at isolation plays…but its hard to explode to the rim, after you’ve been running around for the whole game. Their times need to be limited.
Mardy Collins is a dud….and Novak is about as one dimensional as you can get.
Is there a way we can bring back Marcus Williams? How about any gems in the rough out of the NBDL? There has to be a better solution.
I love LAC.
by oasisman on
Dec 6, 2008 12:30 AM PST
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'They' wouldn't give him 10 games?
Who is they? That’s the thing – he’s pretty much they. Sterling and Roeser haven’t made a basketball decision (other than NOT to spend money) in years. That’s why he’s got a long leash – because Sterling would have to make a basketball decision that involves SPENDING money.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on
Dec 6, 2008 8:33 PM PST
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So glad I didn't watch...
CS joins the Jax ranks!!
"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men
by Lawler's Law on
Dec 5, 2008 11:41 PM PST
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I wish DTS had joined long ago
But in truth I have not been an advocate of firing the guy during the year because the team has no GM and what coach would they bring in to replace hiim? However, it seems at this point that the team, as a team, a veteran team, doesn’t believe in him. Of course, that’s not surprising to me because I’ve always said he’s incompetent as a coach.
So, where does that leave us? We have an owner who no longer (thanks in part to MDSr) is afraid of spending on talent, a veteran-laden, talented team, a good practice faciltiy, but no GM. This situation is actually one where a talented, competent coach could do some good.
Who might that be? Eddie Jordan? Call me intrigued. I frankly don’t know too much about his system, but I’d like to hear more. Anyone else?
by Jax on
Dec 6, 2008 8:01 AM PST
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You want to bring in that failure?
Eddie Jordan?
Wow. I stand by my description of you as hating the Clippers.
At least find a coach who wasn’t fired recently for incompetence.
Jeez.
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
by John R on
Dec 6, 2008 2:00 PM PST
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In Eddie Jordan's defense
His top player has been injured all year. Arenas has been injured for 2 years.
His GM signed Arenas and Jamison to terrible contracts, hamstringing him.
His bigs during his coaching tenure were Kwame Brown, Etan Thomas and Brendan Heywood, all three of which were constantly fighting with one another.
Then he ran into LeBron James in the playoffs 3 straight years.
He had a pretty good run, and is certain to land another gig. I don’t know a whole lot about him, but he seems to coach a pretty up-tempo, NON-defensive style.
Still, I would not reject him out of hand without knowing a little more.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on
Dec 6, 2008 2:43 PM PST
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I didn't say I want to bring in anyone
You’re always putting words in my mouth.
Besides, I thought coaches didn’t matter. You’re pretty harsh on Eddie Jordan. Funny.
Seems to me you’re just out to argue. As usual.
by Jax on
Dec 6, 2008 9:08 PM PST
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Coaches who are available
I never thought Avery Johnson was very good, despite his early accomplishments. But he is tough and defensive minded. And unemployed.
Flip Saunders has done some good things. But he also managed to get himself fired twice.
Sam Mitchell was fired prematurely, IMO. But, then again, I’m not sure how he ever even landed the gig in the first place.
Jeff Van Gundy. No.
Mike Fratello? Retread.
Paul Silas? I think he and Baron Davis hate each other.
They only way this happens is if DTS keeps Dunleavy as GM, but demands that he hire a new coach. I’m not sure Dunleavy would be down with that.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on
Dec 6, 2008 2:33 PM PST
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I hate my life
Why do I bother? This team does nothing but cntinualy tear my heart out. I’m sittinghere trying to figure out why we suck so much… and iv’e figured it out;.. because we’re the f**********in clippers… thats’ all there is to it. It’s truly depressing.
by clipped on
Dec 6, 2008 1:39 AM PST
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Yet another "Worst Loss of the Year"
Every new game takes that title. It’s just shocking. The team finds amazing new ways to further embarrass themselves and the fans.
Even OKC fired their coach, and when you’re envious of OKC’s rec league jersey wearing, organization stealing, WNBA logo’d team…you’re REALLY in the dumps.
I hate to say this, but I’m pretty much at the point where I almost don’t mind that they lose because I want to see just how freaking retarded Sterling is.
by madglove on
Dec 6, 2008 1:47 AM PST
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Hard defeat
Hi,
it was a very hard defeat…come on! memphis? it is easy to play against this team, cause you must be careful with Mayo and Gay….it is a pity!
by Mirk on
Dec 6, 2008 5:59 AM PST
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Glad I missed this
After a quick early morning comment on the game thread, I took the day off and waited for the Minnesota game. Feel a little better now. Stay the course.
by citizen zhiv on
Dec 7, 2008 1:27 PM PST
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Do we have a choice?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on
Dec 7, 2008 6:34 PM PST
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