Lest there be any doubt - On Hawks/Celtics
Forcibly removing a referee from your path to re-enter a fracas results in no punishment. Nor does leaving the vicinity of the bench, unless of course you are a Phoenix Sun. Its really weird. Everyone decried that ruling, but I didn't see where the rule was actually changed.
I can't make any other sense than this. No blows where thrown, if you don't count KG's initial unprovoked elbow to Pachulia's head. Pachulia battles hard for the rebound, but its not a dirty play. It is a foul, but not a particularly hard one. Garnett reacts by slashing an elbow in Pachulia's direction, setting off the tiff. Decide for yourself.
For Kevin Garnett a violently thrown elbow about the head and a twice shoved referee do not equal a suspension. Must be nice.
Also, Sam Cassell sucks.
0 recs |
8
comments
| Add your comment
Read Related
Comments
It was a strange thing, to be sure...
Net result of the play – personal on Zaza, technicals on Garnett, Zaza, Cassell and Johnson. But in each case, the Celtic was clearly the aggressor. Garnett throws an elbow after a nothing foul – and let’s face facts, it’s not like Pachulia threw a punch in retaliation. It seems strange to T a guy up simply for expressing displeasure at being ‘bowed. Then, if you watch the play, the only person that Johnson touches is Pachulia – he’s trying to be a peacemaker and get Zaza away when Sam comes in and pushes Johnson, who still does nothing. How does he end up with a T? Did they even watch the play?
As for the absence of the ‘bench leaving’ suspension, it’s a dumb rule and they were idiotic in their application of it with Diaw and Stoudemire. They kept talking about a ‘bright red line’ and ‘no interpretation’ but they obviously do allow for interpretation, I guess in what they consider an ‘altercation’. So a player is, apparently, supposed to know the difference between an altercation and a non-altercation, and not leave the bench for an altercation. Or maybe return to the bench when the altercation starts. Oh wait, that’s what Diaw and Stoudemire did.
Speaking of the Suns, not that they were going to win this series, but three phantom calls in the fourth quarter didn’t help. Tim Duncan trips on his own feet – foul on Shaq. Tony Parker steps on Stoudemire’s foot and falls – foul on Stoudemire. And the one that ended the game, Bowen knocks the inbounds pass away and the ref says it went off Nash’s knee, and the replay clearly shows that it did not. Those are the calls I really don’t understand – when you go out of your way to make a game-changing call, don’t you really need to have actually SEEN something? I mean, rather than just playing your gut? The best you can say about that call is that the ref made a mistake. Funny how all the mistakes in Spurs-Suns series seem to favor the Spurs.
The Clippers! The (second) Best NBA Team in LA!
by ClipperSteve on
Apr 29, 2008 9:50 PM PDT
reply
0 recs
Wait, what? No
You’re supposed to tell me I’m a paranoid lunatic.
I was watching the Suns/Spurs game until the “trip”. Duncan even followed through on his flop and grabbed his kneed in vintage soccer fashion. I was waiting for a trainer to run out and spray some mysterious magical healing substance on it.
by John R on
Apr 30, 2008 8:41 AM PDT
up
reply
0 recs
You're a paranoid lunatic
And I’m becoming one too, I guess.
I still cannot for the life of me figure out why any mysterious powers that be, no matter how nefarious, would want the Spurs to advance at the expense of the Suns. Boring, small market, San Antonio? Why?
But MAN… those were some bad calls. And the Stoudemire, Diaw suspensions remains the single most obvious case of a league deciding the outcome of a series in the history of pro sports.
The Clippers! The (second) Best NBA Team in LA!
by ClipperSteve on
Apr 30, 2008 10:32 AM PDT
up
reply
0 recs
There is one good reason
France, Argentina, Virgin Islands, Brazil, Netherlands. Ok, maybe 5.
by John R on
Apr 30, 2008 10:47 AM PDT
up
reply
0 recs
Yes...
God forbid that they lose out on the Virgin Islands market.
Hate to do this to you, but you’re also way off. No Brazilians on the Spurs. No longer any Dutch (Elson was traded). That leaves France, Argentina and VI.
But looky here – France and the all-important Islands of No Sex are also represented on the Suns (Diaw and Bell). Brazil is Suns, not Spurs (Barbosa). Not to mention Canada (Nash) and New Zealand (Sean Marks) and Croatia (Giricek). The Suns as presently constituted (6 players from 6 foreign countries) are more international than the Spurs (5 players from 3 foreign countries). And Brazil is a significantly larger market than Argentina. So try again.
The Clippers! The (second) Best NBA Team in LA!
by ClipperSteve on
Apr 30, 2008 11:31 AM PDT
up
reply
0 recs
Fair, but I'm counting Splitter and Elson for a reason
What, you think I didn’t mine b-ref?
Its about stars and overall sort of aura. The Suns have international players in the rotation, the Spurs are rooted in globalization. And Canada is hardly spreading the game.
To me its about Shaq(Marion)/Amare vs Ginobili/Parker.
What was that thing? I don’t remember exactly, but when the Spurs had their training camp in Europe, they legitimately started more non-Americans than the European club they played against. If the Suns did that they wouldn’t be the same, even if we allowed Nash to count as non-American for the purpose of this exercise.
I guess it might be (Tiago) splitting hairs. I don’t really know how Parker vs Diaw is perceived in Europe, but I do know here one is a star and the other shifts between fat-indifferent-sufficient-and only occasionally unstoppable.
by John R on
Apr 30, 2008 12:15 PM PDT
up
reply
0 recs
The Weird Part
The strange thing is, why wouldn’t they want the Suns to extend the series? Everybody wins, right? Then the tinfoil hat types would be able to look at the calls in game 6, which is usually a good “ref game.”
Seeing this-and I haven’t been watching the playoffs at all-reminds me that I really hate the Celtics. Bill Simmons is a factor, first when I found out that he was a big time Kareem hater (pure jealousy), and then getting the gift of Cassell… it was just obnoxious that he got that right, when it made no sense at all for the Clippers.
Then there’s this. The clip is crazy enough, but the photo is really extraordinary. Garnett is just a crazy hothead, which is fine, but he (and Cassell) should be punished like they’re “regular” players. If it wasn’t for the Amare precedent, it might be different. My guess is that if Garnett was forced to sit out a game we’d see what Boston is really made of. The Massholes would freak out, but the photo shows that you could certainly make the call. It’s interesting that in the clip the coverage never showed Garnett’s reaction with the ref after Cassell escalated the fracas. And the tech on Joe Johnson (the new Bernard King) is just ridiculous.
I didn’t listen to the audio, but Pachulia did exactly the right thing. He could have refrained from leaning his head forward, but escalating with Garnett, the Celtics best player, is gamesmanship 101, and straight out of the Red Auerbach/Tommy Heinsohn playbook-that was basically Heinsohn’s role, to play dirty with Elgin Baylor or Jerry West to try to get in a fight with them. I love Garnett, but it’s really upsetting to see the Celtic arrogance and special treatment back. I’m sure Sam is loving it-Sam knows exactly what he’s doing, trying to get JJ to retaliate to him. And he actually did manage to get a T on JJ out of thin air. It’s amazing the way he works his mojo.
by citizen zhiv on
Apr 30, 2008 1:04 PM PDT
reply
0 recs
Nah
I’m usually with you, John, but I must part ways on a few points.
While I do think that KG overreacted to nothing, that shove wasn’t much, either. Good for Pachulia for standing up to him, but was it really all that bad? The playoffs are chippy. It is high intensity.
KG wasn’t pushing a ref. He was pushing some guy that grabbed his arm who happened to be a ref. I don’t think a suspension is in order, but he should certainly be fined.
Nobody began running towards this fracas the way Diaw and Stoudamire did last year. They were in stride to go get involved when their coaches told them to come back. They shouldn’t have been suspended last year, but it was different than what happened in the C’s game.
David Stern is a globalist, but if that were his sole motivation, his best move would be to have the Rockets win every year. I think we all need to accept the reality that San Antonio is a better playoff team than the Suns. PHX is just not built for the half-court, defensive nature of playoff basketball.
On this point I shall elaborate in a new diary.
by mikey p on
Apr 30, 2008 6:14 PM PDT
reply
0 recs






