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Sir Charles' Scintillating Insight

For a few years now, TNT has had the exclusive broadcast rights to the Western Conference Finals.  Now, I don't know the ins and outs of the negotiation.  But it's pretty clear that TNT is a relatively junior partner in the ESPN, ABC, TNT triumvirate that broadcasts NBA games.  ABC and ESPN are, after all, one entity, and they don't call ESPN the 'Worldwide Leader' for nothing.  So did TNT have to pay a premium to get the rights to the 'good' conference?  I don't know.  But rest assured, no one had any idea that the equivalent of the NBA Finals would be played out on TNT year after year after year when they first inked this deal.

So the pre-game show for game one is a big deal for TNT.  I'd guess it would rank second only to a Conference Final game seven in the TNT universe.  Set up courtside at Staples Center, Ernie, Reggie, Kenny and Charles would surely bring their A game, right?  It's Lakers versus Spurs, the marquee matchup of the past decade.  There's so much to talk about, so much to analyze.  It's a studio analyst smorgasbord. 

Ernie kicked it to Charles for his one, big observation about the series. 

EJ: What's the one thing that jumps out at you Charles, that you're looking for in this series?

CB: Kobe Bryant [defending] against Manu Ginobili.

WHAT DID HE JUST SAY?

Charles Barkley, who is supposed to somehow help us understand and enjoy what we are about to see, has determined that the single most important thing he can tell us about this series is something that will not happen.

Does he even watch the games?  Kobe Bryant defends Bruce Bowen.  Kobe Bryant defends Ime Udoka.  He doesn't defend Manu Ginobili.  Not if Kobe and Phil can help it.

Charles goes so far as to throw LeBron James under the bus for not shutting down Paul Pierce in the Cavs-Celtics series.  His conclusion - LeBron will never be as good as Jordan or Kobe until he becomes the defensive stopper for his team.  Apparently, Charles thinks Kobe is that defensive stopper - the guy assigned to defend the opposition's best perimeter player.  Problem is, he isn't assigned to defend the opposition's best perimeter player.  Ever.  In the case of the Spurs, who have two great perimeter players, Kobe is assigned to neither of them.  He's assigned to Bruce Bowen - perhaps the worst offensive perimeter starter in the NBA.

Of course, this all feeds into the ongoing myth of Kobe Bryant, first team All Defense.  No one actually watches the defenders.  Someone told Charles that Kobe is a great defender.  He can't be bothered to actually watch what's happening.  Now Charles is telling a national TV audience something that isn't remotely true.  Good defense is highly subjective and therefore a matter of opinion, even moreso than most things in basketball.  But whether or not Kobe is assigned to Manu Ginobili isn't subjective.  It's objective.  And he wasn't.  Not once in game 1.  And although I haven't gone back to look, I guarantee you he was not assigned to Manu once during the regular season either. 

But no doubt, a big part of the audience, who never actually watched what was happening on defense, no doubt thinks that Kobe shut down Ginobili last night.  The Lakers won.  Charles said that Kobe's defense on Ginobili would be key.  Ginobili had a bad game (3 for 13, 10 points).  Ergo, Kobe is a great defender.

Look, Kobe has the ability to be a great defender.  And he may, in another game in this series, get a tough assignment for a couple of important fourth quarter possessions.  Or he may not.  But Phil Jackson doesn't want Kobe Bryant expending that sort of energy on defense.  It's not Kobe's fault that he's not asked to play 48 minutes of top level defense.  It's by design.

But let's not invent a parallel universe here.  Can we at least stick to analysis that has some bearing on reality?  Is that too much too ask?

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The pathetic state of NBA television "analysis" could be a subject of a whole blog

And not lame so-and-so sucks stuff like one often gets. Just every day a new post fisking the dumbness that gets said like you’ve done here.

To me, at least, it doesn’t help to do away with the perception that in the NBA storyline, talking points and drama often trump the ideal of fair athletic competition.

Pre-season: Since the Celtics are back (thanks in part to the large network of former Celtics running NBA teams), wouldn’t it be great if they met the Lakers in the Finals again?
Result: Gasol and Fisher on a silver platter and 40FTA per game to help get past the Jazz.

If we got Truth out of the NBA media more often, it would be easier to dismiss this stuff as mere coincidence. Instead its a steady diet of crap like Kobe is an elite defender, when we don’t really know what he is.

We do know that when he is asked to stop the LeBron’s and Arenas’, the Lakers often lose.

But that’s not the talking points and that’s not in the storyline.

by John R on May 22, 2008 10:14 AM PDT   0 recs

Apparently John R thinks

that there’s some big secret conspiracy out there . . .

Tin foil hat time?

by Jax on May 22, 2008 10:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Define Big

Do weird/highly unlikely things happen constantly in the NBA? Unquestionably.
Is there anyone on ESPN or TNT asking any questions about these things? Clearly not.
In fact, are the TV personalities willing to say things that are patently untrue? Unquestionably.
Do we have any evidence that officials have altered the outcome of games, including gambling on them? Absolutely.
Are there series altering rules that are seemingly arbitrarily enforced, even though the rules are supposed to be absolute? Still no question.

Do we have a commish who, among his first acts, created draft picks out of thin air? An act which cannot be denied was a finanical move and 180 degrees counter to fair competition? Its absolutely true.

At some point, after a certain number of 1 in a million events keep happening, smart people start asking questions.

by John R on May 22, 2008 11:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I am with you on this one

Even though I reject your theory about the Spurs being NBA darlings, you are right this time. The NBA did whatever it could to:

A. Keep Kobe in LA
B. Get LA to the Finals against Boston

I truly believe that the league orchestrated the Gasol trade. Between Kupchak and Ford (Grizzlies GM), which do you think came up with the idea of trading Gasol for Kwame Brown and a retired guy?

The answer is neither. I believe league officials came up with this silly idea. I am sure that the Grizz were somehow financially compensated.

Whether there was any “foul play” (pun) in the Jazz series, I can’t be too sure. Anytime I am convinced that the league is having refs manipulate outcomes, I can come up with a counter argument. (Yes, I am sure that Stern did NOT want Cuban winning a title, but it is hard to deny that the Mavs were a bunch of wankers in that series. They proved it again the following year).

The real evidence is to see how much rest the Lakers get compared to their opponents. The Jazz beat Houton in Game 6 on Friday night and were playing in LA on Sunday morning. Had they lost, when were they planning to play game 7, Saturday?

(In fact, maybe the NBA sabotaged the Spurs plane).

by mikey p on May 22, 2008 11:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey, Steve, that's not fair

I saw Kobe guarding Michael Finley at least a few times, and he may have even taken Brent Barry for a possesion or two.

by mikey p on May 22, 2008 10:59 AM PDT   0 recs

Pippen was a better defender than Jordan

that is why he got the tougher assignment.

I dont recall ever seeing MJ shadow Dennis Rodman while his mates covered Dumars and Isaiah.

by mikey p on May 22, 2008 12:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good point on Jordan

MJ’s defensive prowess was as much a creation of the media as Kobe’s. And it’s no coincidence that Phil Jackson was the coach in each case. Phil says something, it gets written down. A lot. But specifically, it’s hard to figure how Jordan was the NBA DPOY in 1988 when he wasn’t the best defensive player on his own team.

The Clippers! The (second) Best NBA Team in LA!

by ClipperSteve on May 22, 2008 2:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To clarify a bit

Criticizing Jordan is of course a pretty major sacrilege. Jordan could do about anything he wanted to (except hit a curve ball). But he didn’t get the tough defensive assignments – Pippen did. By design. So you can always make the argument that Jordan deserved DPOY because he COULD have been the best defender on his team or that he WAS the best defender on his team for key possessions, or whatever. But that’s just silly. I’ve made the point before that it’s like voting Kobe to the NFL Pro Bowl because he COULD be a great wide receiver – but he’s not a wide receiver. And he doesn’t play great defense (or any defense) the vast majority of the time. Jordan played better day in day out, 48 minute defense than Kobe. But in each case, it’s not what they’re asked to do. It’s not their primary job. So why would they be voted among the best in the league at it?

The Clippers! The (second) Best NBA Team in LA!

by ClipperSteve on May 22, 2008 2:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dennis Rodman didn't play Mike's position

And that was my point, there are only two guards, and MJ would guard the lesser of the two.

by Amazing_Happens on May 22, 2008 2:10 PM PDT   0 recs

The Lakers deliberately put Kobe on the opponent's worst offensive player

My point is that I don’t recall Jordan ever doing that. He and Pippen usually took 1 and 1A.

by mikey p on May 22, 2008 2:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm.

There’s some truth to that, because they like to have Kobe roam and double where needed, and the best “man” to have him guard is the worst one.

But it’s not because he’s a bad defender.

by Amazing_Happens on May 22, 2008 5:10 PM PDT   0 recs

Kobe can play d

Just look at how he shut down gilbert arenas
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hm2XO28YRYU

by clipschamps on May 22, 2008 9:12 PM PDT   0 recs

The Lakers won that game right?

So clearly the best “man” to have him guard was someone not dropping 60 right on top of his head I guess.

by John R on May 23, 2008 8:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wait

I figured it out.

Kobe is all-world defense the same way OJ Simpson is all-world defense.

That makes sense at least.

by John R on May 23, 2008 8:28 AM PDT   0 recs

Pretty critical

of one of the top two players in the game right now, aren’t we?

Let’s see if we can focus on cleaning the Clippers’ management and coaching so we can finally put a good product on the court next year.

by Jax on May 23, 2008 9:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL top 2

What does Clippers management have to do with Kobe’s defensive prowess and the lies built up surrounding it? Seems highly off-topic.

And then there’s the fact that I really didn’t make a comment on Kobe’s game. What does the fact that he got away with rape have to do with his ranking among current NBA players? Seems similary off-topic.

Its kinda hard to fail at commenting, but I think you may have done it.

And for no reason either. I mean there was no real reason to reply to my comment. Why do you care about what we say about Kobe? Its certainly a strange thing for a Clipper fan to care about. Its not like I can’t make fun of Kobe AND hope the Clippers use their pick wisely. There is certainly enough time in the day for both.

It DOES go to evidence that you are really just here to reply to my comments and troll.

by John R on May 23, 2008 9:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

My post was obviously intended to be flush left. Just trying to figure out how to work the new system. Make fun of whoever you want to. You’re quite good at it.

by Jax on May 23, 2008 2:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Funny...

Smush’s D isn’t too far from KB’s…

by Lawler's Law on May 23, 2008 8:33 AM PDT   0 recs

As usual, puzzled

Okay, Steve, I didn’t watch the pre-game, but from your punctuation it looks like you inserted the word ‘defending’ into Barkley’s quote. Which means he didn’t say ‘defending,’ you read it in. And maybe that’s legitimate.
But knowing Barkley’s mind (even as I type those words, I realize I invite ridicule), I’d say that trying to infer that missing words is dangerous. He might have meant ‘defending,’ but he might have meant ‘bringing his best game,’ or ‘Kobe’s style against Manu’s’ or he might have meant ‘Kobe in a pink dress against Manu in a blue pantsuit.’
So, to go off on a rant on the basis of a word you inferred seems kinda, um, preposterous.

by pipedreams on May 23, 2008 9:32 AM PDT   0 recs

As usual?

I would not say that your state is usually puzzled.

No, Barkley did not say the word ‘defending’ in that direct quote. I inserted it for the sake of brevity. It was not an inference. His direct quote began with ‘Kobe Bryant against Manu Ginobili’ and he went form there, he meandering Barklian prose, to describe how great a defender Kobe is, how that’s why LeBron isn’t as great as Kobe, and how if Kobe out of the game it will be a huge factor in the game. So, yes, the word defending is inserted for clarity – no, it is not misleading nor taken out of context. It is what Barkley was saying. I still have the whole thing on the TiVo, and I could give you the word for word, tortured grammar and all, but I don’t want to do that so you’ll just have to trust me.

The Clippers! The (second) Best NBA Team in LA!

by ClipperSteve on May 23, 2008 11:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks

Well, if that’s where he was going—and now you’ve explained it, I’ll trust your powers of deduction (which Barkley can surely test!) I’ll go along with your rant. And, thank you for not quoting the whole mess.
Like you said, but moreso!

by pipedreams on May 23, 2008 11:18 AM PDT   0 recs

One more thing ...

I realize we’re all stupidly enthusiastic fans of basketball, but if you step back and realize this is all entertainment, then Charles makes perfect sense.
Almost any poster on this board could do more insightful commentary that Barkley does - perhaps even he could. But that’s not the point - he makes us laugh, curse, and talk about him. He makes us watch.
That’s more eyes on the TVs, and that’s what it’s all about.
You could turn this into a drinking game, if you’re so inclined. Every time Barkley says something stupid, have a shot.
Of course, you’ll miss the second half, but then, it’s just entertainment.

by pipedreams on May 23, 2008 3:05 PM PDT   0 recs

I like Charles

He is entertaining, you’re correct. And I probably shouldn’t take anything he says too seriously. The TNT show is the best such offering out there, for the very fact that they DON’T take themselves seriously. They used to actively make fun of Charles’ lack of knowledge about the NBA.

This one just really struck, certainly in part because Kobe’s defense is a pet peeve of mine. It’s one thing to say something obvious or banal or semi-comprehensible – but to foist on the viewing public as analysis something that is simply NOT CORRECT seemed somehow noteworthy.

The Clippers! The (second) Best NBA Team in LA!

by ClipperSteve on May 23, 2008 4:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Charles is wrong with his assertion about LeBron though. LeBron actually played decent D this season. So what if Paul Pierce went nova like that the other day, Lebron played pretty D in that game and in the entire series. Oh well, perception is reality when it comes to TV.

I never met anybody who said when they were a kid, "I wanna grow up and be a critic." - Richard Pryor

by DennardC on May 24, 2008 3:04 PM PDT   0 recs

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