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With the Lakers and Celtics ready to renew their Finals rivalry, 28 other fan bases are in draft season.  The Orlando pre-draft camp just ended, individual workouts can start next Wednesday, and the draft itself is less than four weeks away.

Any self-respecting blogger is going to try to keep up with the information out there.  But I gotta tell you, it's frustrating.  I watched some of the scrimmages from Orlando on ESPNU, but the overall play is pretty sloppy and it's hard to get a feel for much.  Obviously I'm trying to follow the things that are churning through the rumor mill, but most of those seem baseless, and it's so early at any rate that it doesn't much matter what the rumor mill says today.

Reading the so-called experts is perhaps the most frustrating process of all.  Consider the recaps from yesterday's workouts of the physical-only players.  Here's what Chad Ford of ESPN said about Michael Beasley:

Beasley was the first player on the floor but the last to go through the workout. While other workouts were going on, we all watched in awe as Beasley drained NBA 3-pointer after NBA 3-pointer. That continued in the workouts, in which Beasley shot as well as any prospect here. Deep or midrange, Beasley can shoot the lights out.

And here's what Jonathon Givony of DraftExpress said after watching Beasley go through the EXACT SAME WORKOUT:

Michael Beasley looked super fluid and athletic getting up and down the court, finishing with either hand and looking to be in pretty good shape. He attacked the drills with a lot of competitive fire, but most definitely was clowning around way too much throughout the day right underneath the noses of the Miami Heat and Chicago Bulls.  There were a few people that expressed concern with some of his antics over the past few days. He shot the ball just decently.

Wow.  Were these guys watching the same player?  It's certainly understandable that one might focus on the 'clowning around' while the other could choose to ignore that.  But you would think that two experts could agree on what constitutes a good shooting performance.  According to Ford, he 'shot as well as any prospect' while Givony says 'he shot the ball just decently.'  That's a huge difference.

Here's another example.  Ford on Anthony Randolph:

I thought Randolph really helped himself in this workout. He moves incredibly well for a big man, showed great quickness and leaping ability, and shot the ball much better than expected. Randolph also looked as if he has gained some weight, which should really help his cause. I think Randolph is one of the five top prospects in this draft.

Givony  on Randolph:

The same [lukewarm impression] can be said about Anthony Randolph, who showed up with a long undershirt intended to hide just how incredibly skinny he still is at the moment. He looked great dunking the ball in the transition drills and handling the ball fluidly in the open floor, but was completely unable to hit a mid-range or long-range jumper in any of the drills, not even coming up close on many of his attempts.

It's understandable to come away with different impressions - but it seems almost impossible that they could be this opposite.  Was Ford so fooled by Randolph's 'long undershirt' that he thought he had 'gained some weight' while Givony thought he was 'still incredibly skinny'?  Of course, these observations aren't even mutually exclusive, as he could have gained weight yet still be incredibly skinny.  But each one choose to focus on one thing that ends up giving a completely opposite impression in the final analysis.  As for the shoooting:  Ford's expectations must have been incredibly low if 'completely unable to hit a mid-range or long-range jumper' qualified as 'much better than expected'.  The bottom line: if you trust Chad Ford, you think Anthony Randolph has bulked up and is shooting well.  If you trust Jonathon Givony, you think he's as skinny as ever, and can't shoot at all.  BASED ON THE SAME WORKOUT!

It's a crap shoot people.

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I completely agree – I can’t even tell you how infuriating it’s been reading contradictions all over the internet (last week, especially). But in a way, it’s what makes talking about the draft so much fun—two different GMs could have the exact same contradictory impressions, leading one to pass up a prospect thinking he’s a bust only to have someone leap at the chance to grab him 2 spots later.

A lot of people disregard blog analysis and mock drafts because they’re all speculation; sometimes we all need to remember that nothing about these players is set and stone, and that Chad Ford, the guys at DraftExpress, and even those working for NBA teams are speculating as well—only with better tools to do so.

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by Upside and Motor on Jun 1, 2008 10:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

Last year the 14th pick yielded the 2nd or 3rd best rookie performance.

Go back over the list of hotshots from last see who panned out….............

However it’s still a ton of fun speculating.

by 69knicks on Jun 1, 2008 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just dropped by to see what the deal was with Maggette and noticed that we posted almost the same article :)

It’s clear that especially in a short format like this people often see what they want to see. I’d love to see a shot chart to figure out just how well Beasley shot relative to everyone else.

by Frank Madden on Jun 3, 2008 7:30 AM PDT reply actions  

I had the same thought

Did he make shots or not? That part seems to be pretty concrete.

I guess that part of the story was that Beasley took the wrong bus and got to the workout early, long before his group was supposed to be there. (Not sure where I read that.) Ford makes it sound like he’s ‘the first one in the gym’ and working hard and looks great. Givony plays up the goofball angle, he’s clowning around too much, didn’t even get on the right bus.

Like you said, they see what they want to see.

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by Steve Perrin on Jun 3, 2008 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

What makes it doubly strange is how the draft guys are simultaneously pushing their own opinions and trying to figure out what teams are actually going to do. By June their biggest concern is always guessing what teams will actually do, at which point their own opinions on players seem to sort of fade into the background a bit since they don’t matter all that much. Yet especially with the earlier mocks, their own opinions obviously play a huge role in their estimation of who will be picked where.

In addition to post-draft grades, I’d love it if they did a “what I would have done” style analysis so that down the road a year or two we would have an easy way of comparing the “experts” to what teams actually did.

by Frank Madden on Jun 3, 2008 8:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Group think

Another interesting part of this is how much ‘group think’ goes on – over time, people start to hear what everyone else is saying so much, the believe it. Or maybe they just don’t want to be wrong when everyone else seemed to think a certain way. But we KNOW from past experience that there are a million variables, and that the conventional wisdom is wrong as often as it is right, so why do we fall into this group think?

Tayshaun Prince. Everyone said he was a late first rounder, so he was. Skita Tskisatkaljds;ajdfaijdfaj – everyone said he was a top 5 pick, so he was. Of course, people who go against the conventional wisdom can also be wrong – why did the Pacers take Fred Jones so high when no one else had him there? Raptors and Araujo. My beloved Clippers and Yaroslav Korolev. Still, I am more respect for the team that goes against the conventional wisdom and is wrong than the team that falls into lock step with everyone else and is wrong.

I feel a post coming on.

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by Steve Perrin on Jun 3, 2008 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good

Good to hear that you feel a post coming on—there’s been too long a drought. I know that there’s nothing going on and nobody really knows anything, but still. Looking forward to it.

by citizen zhiv on Jun 3, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Measurements are in

I was wondering about the measurement breakdown, and it turns out that it was posted on Draft Express (today, I think). Pretty interesting stuff.

I think the place to look is the Gordon-Westbrook-Bayless-Mayo-Augustin comparison. Gordon looks pretty good.

Kevin Love did okay too. Makes for an interesting comparison to Brook Lopez, who has the height and the length, but Love is stronger and can run and jump.

by citizen zhiv on Jun 3, 2008 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

Love is looking good.

by Jax on Jun 3, 2008 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

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