Well, That Certainly Went Better Than Expected
Seriously, if you'd told me yesterday that the Clippers would come away from this draft with Eric Gordon AND DeAndre Jordan AND Mike Taylor, and only give up a future second rounder to get there, I'd have wondered what you were smoking.
First of all, reports earlier in the day had them possibly giving up a future first rounder to Seattle just to move up so they could be sure and get Gordon. The deal falls through, and Gordon falls into their laps. I really like this guy, and I'll have more to say on that tomorrow and following.
Then, DeAndre Jordan, a freakin' lottery pick a week ago, falls all the way to 35! The only sad thing is that Chris Douglas Roberts was also available there. I never imagined that both of them would be there, and I would have loved CDR as a Clipper, but it's hard to pass on Jordan. Have you seen this guy? He's huge and very athletic. Sure, he's got some issues, or I suppose he wouldn't have dropped to 35. But he's got lottery level talent, and everyone knows it. Maybe the slide into the second round will motivate him to get his act together. If nothing else, he could be a nice trade asset.
As for Mike Taylor, I heard a lot about him at the Orlando camp. He's supposedly a freak of an athlete. Of course, if he was that good, the Clippers could have gone out and called him up from the D-League last season, so it does make you wonder. But it's a good move to get a young point guard into camp. He probably won't even make the team (the 55th pick in the draft rarely does), but I like having options, and apparently this kid has really developed a lot since he got kicked off the Iowa State team.
A great draft for the Clippers. A great draft.
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im stoked on this draft. thank goodness that deal with the sonics didnt happen, what a waste of a future pick that would have been. gordon’s the real deal though and we’ll finally have someone who can hit the 3. im not gonna lie i would have loved to grab CDR at 35 (how was he still available??) but jordan could end up being the steal of the draft. and we still ended up with a point guard after all, albeit one that ive never heard of and probably won’t make the team.
by clipped on
Jun 27, 2008 2:06 AM PDT
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Two years in a row
the Clippers have the guy they really want fall right to them. Gotta love it.
Gordon looks really good. He will need to refine his game. Looks like a more athletic Quentin Richardson. There is a lot of good footage of him out there.
Not too familiar with Jordan (2nd year in a row we take a Jordan in Rd. 2). I am surprised that CDR was still on the board, too. CDR will be solid, but Jordan has a ton of potential. Can’t have too many bigs in the NBA.
Just heard about Mike Taylor this week. Seems like he has as good a chance as anyone to make the team as a PG. Another good draft.
by mikey p on
Jun 27, 2008 7:27 AM PDT
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Great draft....
Was enough done for EB to be convinced that the Clips are NOT rebuilding? If we can parlay Maggette into a starting point guard, I would have to say yes. We will see next week.
by Clip Show on
Jun 27, 2008 9:00 AM PDT
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Some thoughts
Clips seem to be getting some credit for simply addressing their backcourt issues with Gordon, but there are some naysayers and a few questions out there. A big part of this, I think, is that the vast majority of people just don’t know very much about the Clippers, their roster, and their needs.
Number one, no one seems to know just how badly the Clips need somebody who can shoot, who can spread the floor and consistently make a 3. You look back just a few years ago, and the Clippers were a horrendous 3 pt shooting team. They had literally nobody making them or even shooting them very much. They brought in Mobley and Cassell and Radman then Thomas and improved the situation somewhat, but it has still been a glaring problem. Mobley has played with an elbow injury for the better part of the last two years. He has great value out on the floor, but he needs to be completely healthy, and it will help a lot for his minutes to be reduced significantly, and for him to have a quality backup who can shoot. Gordon could easily shoot and make more 3s in his first week of NBA play than QRoss has in the last 3 years. This year we had the pleasure of seeing that Tim Thomas is capable of taking a whole lot of 3s and not making very many of them. His pct. should go up a fair amount as his attempts and minutes are drastically reduced. Thornton and Maggs can both hit the 3 on occasion, which is great, but it’s not the primary part of their game, not by a longshot. The Clips needed an SG that the other team can’t leave open. It makes everybody better, including Thornton and Maggette and their slashing game. But of course the obvious beneficiaries are the big men, and playing inside out with Brand and Kaman. How many wide open 3s has Cassell missed, along with Thomas and Mobley and Dickau, not to mention guys like Knight and Ross who are “hot” when they make 3 midrange shots, and can’t even shoot the 3? The fact that Gordon is strong and athletic, able to run and jump, means that he’ll be able to stay on the floor and should be able to score points in bunches. My hope is that he’ll be a lot like Thornton was last year, increasing his contributions, savvy, and confidence as the season goes on.
Another item out there is the idea that the Clippers should have taken a PG. That’s an obvious comment, of course, and if they could have picked Derrick Rose or there was another potential elite PG, then it would have been a no brainer. But the Clips have a strong enough roster that they can compete right away, and the idea that the best case for the team is for it to be led by a rookie point guard like Bayless or Augustin is preposterous. The Clips need somebody with some experience and solid, known skills. With the advent of a PG era, led by Nash and now including CP3, Deron Williams, Tony Parker and others, it’s nice to have a fantastic PG. Livingston was supposed to be that guy, and his injuries have been catastrophic for the franchise. The Clips have to go with a different formula, making teams contend with Brand and Kaman 2.0, while hitting them with Maggette and Thornton, now Gordon, and others. Fingers and toes are crossed that Liv will come back and contribute, and the Clips have to go out and get Hinrich or Udrih, make an offer to Calderon (good luck). But a mid-level rookie PG was not the answer.
Then there’s Jordan. Great pick. With the Gordon pick it’s hard to find a spot for CDR, and Jordan could really turn into something. Have to do some research on Taylor. He may be an insurance pick, able to take a roster spot at 3rd string PG if Livingston can’t play at all. I must say I don’t like Knight as the 2nd string PG, better to have him 3rd on the depth chart. Still a long way to go.
by citizen zhiv on
Jun 27, 2008 9:15 AM PDT
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Clippers now have two guys that can create their own shot
Thornton and Gordon. They usually haven’t had even one, save for Cassell – sometimes. Now if they can get some good passers in there, the offense should imporve.
by mikey p on
Jun 27, 2008 9:40 AM PDT
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Let's see if we can break this down
1. Gordon fills a need at SG
2. The Clippers need a PG but there wasn’t one available at that spot that would have helped immediately.
3. Jordan is a “great pick” because they couldn’t find a spot for CDR.
Ok then.
My take on the SG sit is that Gordon should start. We have no one else that would qualify as a legit NBA starter at this point (assuming that we want to compete). Cat is essentially done. He can come in for spot duty off the bench, but that’s it. As CS says, he’s a blanket, but it’ s worn out. We don’t know how Gordon will turn out, but we can cross our fingers. The guy is 19 years old. This is why they should have taken CDR as well over Jordan because they need another SG far more than they need another big project. CDR let Memphis for most of the year last year.
My take on the PG sit. is that the draft is a gamble and that the Clips should have picked Stuckey last year because it was painfully obvious they needed a pg more than anything else and he was as much of a risk as Thornton. They should have started to address the PG sit last year the day after Livi went down. To date, they still haven’t done anything about it. They continue to hope to get something done in free agency. Realistically to get someone remotely good they will have to overpay by trading Corey for that person.
by Jax on
Jun 27, 2008 10:15 AM PDT
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Hard not to like Gordon and Thornton as the wings
Very dynamic. I see lots of points. I still think there are some good PG options out there.
Stuckey is not a true PG. When I thought AT would be gone by 14, I was hoping they would take Stuckey (although I figured they would take Julian Wright or Nick Young).
The Clippers found themselves undersized a lot last year. That is never a good thing. I would rather have too few guards than too few bigs.
by mikey p on
Jun 27, 2008 10:42 AM PDT
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Goals
I must say I like it when your comments are a little more expansive, Jax, but I also appreciate you condensing my own exhaustive ramblings.
On Gordon and Mobley. Let me just say that I agree, ultimately, on Gordon as a starter, but I’d like to see him in that role after the all-star break and towards the end of the year. He’s young enough that he can grow a little bit over time.
I think you’re overstating the Mobley situation. He’s a blanket that has a lot of wear on it, but it still provides some warmth. He’s a smart veteran and can still make plays and play defense, and he’s not going to make a lot of mistakes. Gordon is going to have a rookie learning curve. My point, I guess, is that there should be a transition over the next couple of years between Gordon and Mobley. Even if he’s a starter in November to January, Mobley’s minutes should be reduced dramatically, down toward 20 mpg (from an excessive 35+) and then below that next season, but he should still be able to make a contribution in that time. In the end, it would be great to see Gordon on the all-rookie team just like Thornton (tho he’ll be getting competition from Rose and Mayo, with Mayo on an inferior team, for now). And that’s not even considering if Maggette stays on the Clips and takes some minutes at SG. But I’ll also mention that another goal should be trying to trade Mobley, if not this year, then next year when he has an expiring contract. One reason not to write off Mobley is that we don’t want to denigrate his trade value.
Another goal is for the Clippers to get a PG, some way and somehow, who will help you to move past Stuckey. A lofty goal, I know, but it’s good to dream.
by citizen zhiv on
Jun 27, 2008 11:55 AM PDT
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Jax makes some good points in that CDR would probably be a good NBA player and would have fit our needs better. However, the clippers have tried to pick by "need" in the second round before with Ewing, Jared Jordan and Diaz. How many of them are with the team currently? None.
The clippers drafted the best available. D-Jordan was projected in the late teens in most mocks whereas CDR was about 5 picks later. Most people see more "potential" in D-Jordan. Will he help the clippers this year or next? Probably not. But will he help them complete a trade? Quite possibly.
Lastly, from what I’ve read on this blog and others, I think you’re in the minority when you say the clippers could have gotten a better pick last year.
by cantthinkofagoodname on
Jun 27, 2008 12:08 PM PDT
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Unintentional puns are the best!
“Thornton and Maggs can both hit the 3 on occasion, which is great, but it’s not the primary part of their game, not by a longshot.”
At least I hope it was unintentional—if it wasn’t, you should be ashamed!
by pipedreams on
Jun 27, 2008 1:30 PM PDT
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Off topic
Anyone here anything recent on Liv?
"Just Another Halo Victory" -Rory Markus
by Andyman on
Jun 27, 2008 9:44 AM PDT
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So, nothing new then.
"Just Another Halo Victory" -Rory Markus
by Andyman on
Jun 27, 2008 9:58 AM PDT
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Last I herd
He had played two games of one on one, and can jump good enough to dunk. (6-16-08 LA Times)
"Just Another Halo Victory" -Rory Markus
by Andyman on
Jun 27, 2008 10:09 AM PDT
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Playing 1-on-1
Last I heard, I think it’s still going slow. He’s back doing basketball drills as part of the rehab, and apparently he’s actually playing basketball, a little 1-on-1. Which means he’s not playing 3-on-3 or 5-on-5, and apparently he’s not going to be ready to play summer league and test things out there. So it seems like the goal is probably to be able to play by the time training camp comes around.
All of this of course has an effect on contract discussions. It seems unlikely that the Clips will make any kind of a deal with him if he is literally unable to play. Right? So he’ll have to show some kind of capability before things move forward, I would think.
The Clips have to figure out what’s going on with Brand and Maggette on Monday and into next week, and at the same time they’ll be trying to figure out the PG situation regardless of Liv, which is the best way to do it. Low expectations.
by citizen zhiv on
Jun 27, 2008 10:12 AM PDT
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Ya know what Shaun needs?
I was listening to an interview with some old jock awhile back, and he mentioned that steroid use started as an aid to healing and recovery. And, it couldn’t hurt if Shaun put on a few pounds.
by pipedreams on
Jun 27, 2008 1:32 PM PDT
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