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Elton Brand and Corey Maggette have both opted out of the final year of their Clipper contracts, becoming unrestricted free agents.  Neither move was much of a surprise.  In a move that was a significant surprise, Baron Davis opted out of the final year of his contract with the Warriors.  So it's all so simple right?  The Clippers use the cap space cleared up with Brand and Maggette off the books to sign Davis, and then they re-sign Brand, and suddenly they're a force in the West again.

Not so fast.  A team's free agents count against the salary cap until the team renounces them or they sign elsewhere.  Brand counts at the maximum salary (his prior figure of $16M give or take).  Maggette counts at 150% of his prior salary - so that's another $10.5M.  Even Livingston counts at 150% ($6.6M) until they renounce him.  So as of right now, the Clippers are not under the salary cap - they are over it.  When J.A. Adande mentions freeing $10M in cap space, that would involve renouncing both Maggette and Livingston.  When Jonathon Abrams mentions being $26M under the salary cap, that's a different story  They could only be there if they renounced all of their free agents.

So why not just renounce them?  Well, if you renounce them, you no longer have Bird rights to re-sign them.  So in theory the Clippers could renounce all three and split $26M between Brand and Davis.  They could still re-sign Livingston for some portion of the MLE or another exception.  But at that point Maggette is in the same position with the Clippers as he is with most of the rest of the league - they can't offer more than the MLE (and only a portion of that if they hope to sign anyone else), so you can forget about using him to get players in sign and trade deals.

What's interesting is that Falk and Brand are referencing cap flexibility and Boston where "a few stars get together and agree to have a communal effort" so the implication is that they're willing to work out a deal for less than the maximum.  With Baron opting out, not to mention BD's burgeoning movie producer career and LA ties, it gets pretty interesting.

If the Clippers really were to offer Baron a starting salary of $12M or $13M with Brand's blessing, it would immediately become his best free agent offer.  Only Memphis can offer more than that, and they're not going to do it - not with 5 point guards on the roster already.

The other way to go would be to renounce no one, preserving the Bird rights to re-sign them, and then try to work a sign and trade for Davis.  The Clippers could pretty easily match Baron's asking price in outgoing contracts (Maggette plus Mobley would do it), but surely Golden State hopes to secure a better offer than that.  How many first round picks would the Clippers throw in to make this happen?  1?  2?  3?

The summer just got really interesting.

UPDATE:  ESPN's Marc Stein is writing what we're all thinking. 

the move suddenly creates the very real possibility that the former UCLA star could wind up alongside Brand in a homecoming with the Clippers.

NBA front-office sources said early Tuesday that the Clippers would be making an immediate run at trying to pair Davis with Brand.

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Very interesting

I am suspicious about BD leaving $18M on the table at a moments notice. Seems like he is cooking something.

by mikey p on Jun 30, 2008 11:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

BD extension

the warriors have been talking about extension with Baron Davis for the past year. i guess neither side could agree so baron decided to make the choice real simple. He wants a long term deal.

this is all I really funny. Clipsnation is excited about the prospect of grabbing Baron Davis and adding in Elton Brand, and so are the Warriors fans. On the posts I’ve read on golden state of mind, fans are hoping Davis resigns for less money. I don’t think that’s likely because it doesn’t happen too often in professional basketball. Their fans also seem to see Elton Brand as a risky bet because of his injury last year (they obliviously don’t know much about EB).

by cantthinkofagoodname on Jun 30, 2008 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like our odds better

BD is not happy up there, whereas EB seems to want to be here.

by mikey p on Jun 30, 2008 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This from the LA Times

Brand mentioned the Philadelphia 76ers as a possible destination.

“Bottom line is, we’d like to do a long-term deal with him,” Dunleavy said by phone.

Pretty vague. The rest of the story reiterates EB’s assertion that he wants to remain a Clipper. He would like to see Udrih on the team.

by mikey p on Jun 30, 2008 11:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

From the Marc Stein piece

The Clippers appear to be the only realistic free-agent destination for Davis if his opt-out gamble doesn’t lead to a new round of contract negotiations with the Warriors or if he can’t convince Golden State to participate in a sign-and-trade. Memphis and Philadelphia are the only other teams with cap space to offer and neither is expected to pursue Davis.

NBA front-office sources said early Tuesday that the Clippers would be making an immediate run at trying to pair Davis with Brand, although that would almost certainly require L.A. to abandon any interest in re-signing swingman Corey Maggette - who also opted out his contract Monday after averaging 22.1 points per game last season - and force Brand to take a slight pay cut.

WHOA!

by mikey p on Jun 30, 2008 11:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This BD thing is also super bad news for Maggette

Unless the S&T route with GSW is taken, Corey is out some money here, since the Clips would have to renounce him to sign Davis.

by mikey p on Jun 30, 2008 11:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

it could also be bad news

for the clippers if they handle things badly. We could miss out on Davis AND loose maggette.

by cantthinkofagoodname on Jun 30, 2008 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BD the big injury bug?

BD is certainly good and talented, but the thought of his back giving way should scare any team throwing down 13mil+ a year for the guy. In a way, it reminds me of the acquisitions of Cassell and Mobley. Fun and successful for the 1st year, pain and suffering 3-4 years afterward. Afterall, would any of us be really surprised if BD’s back gave way midway thru the season? I don’t think so.
Conservatively speaking, signing Udrih and making sure Brand and Corey resign would be a better bet, but at this point, anything can happen. Udrih isn’t flashy and isn’t a ballhog, I think he’ll be a steady influence on the team. BD will definitely be a hugh signing, but the guy has already worn his welcome on two teams….BD and Tim Thomas…what a combo.

Even Brand's return is uncertain.  These next two weeks literally anything goes.....let's hope for the best.

I love LAC.

by oasisman on Jul 1, 2008 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did I miss anything?

Am I wrong, or when I left to go to pick up the zhivwife and go to dinner the plan was to make a quick offer to Udrih, and Baron Davis wasn’t worth discussing? Brand had just officially opted out, although there was no story yet about the “team-building” approach. I said it was “nervous time.” And I actually came out of retirement myself and played some 2-on-2 with some 13-15 year olds, perhaps just the right bit of humiliation in search of hoops harmony.

In all of this excitement and speculation-and it’s kind of funny that all of a sudden the Clips are driving favorable scenarios, all of which were absent for the last week-no one has really expanded on what might be gained in a larger sense if Baron Davis joins the Clippers. Aside from being obvious contenders, the part that hasn’t been mentioned is that Davis would literally be a marketing dream and bonanza. Davis has the full package, he has street cred and charisma, he has South LA, West LA and UCLA connections, he has Hollywood connections and a young hip crowd would suddenly be sitting in floor seats at Clipper games. In short, the Clippers can make a lot of money if they can figure out a way to get Baron Davis to play in LA. Davis, with Brand alongside him, would be an immediate draw to go up against Kobe and the Lakers. The team would be highly competitive and should be able to make money by playing in the playoffs. Clipper merchandise would become a hot property, and the Nation would grow exponentially overnight. Davis is a closer and clutch player who is at his best in the spotlight, and he has laid a lot of groundwork for a triumphant arrival on an LA NBA franchise. It’s all there for him and EB and the other talented players on the roster. But my primary point is that there is a lot of money to be made here, and it seems like the NBA would be very supportive.

Now we wait to see if Brand and the Clippers can pull it off. And I mention Brand because I believe he’s part of it, taking an active and creative role in determining his own fate and that of the team.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 1, 2008 12:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don’t get your hopes up clipsnation.

I have a feeling Baron is just using the clippers like Kobe did when he was a free agent. He’ll use "going to the clippers" to make golden state fork over the cash. Meanwhile, the clips will have missed out on all the “quality” point guards, and we’ll see another year of brevin knight running the show.

I hate to be the pessimist but in our case, the glass is half empty.

by cantthinkofagoodname on Jul 1, 2008 1:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the difference is GS has cash but they have several key players that they’d like to keep over Davis, i.e. Ellis and Biedrins

by Qlippers on Jul 1, 2008 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm expecting

to miss out on BD, EB, and CM and hoping to be pleasantly surprised but not holding my breath.

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 1, 2008 8:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Does this scenario work?...

Renounce the rights to Maggette….sign Davis and Brand, then bring Maggette back for the MLE? If everything goes great, the Clippers will essentially let Maggette walk for nothing (well, nothing turning into Davis). But since no team aside from Memphis or Philly have any sort of $$ to throw at Mags, do we also offer the MLE at him, or let him go? Would Maggette work on a team with BD, Brand and Kaveman? Just thinking out loud here…

by Clip Show on Jul 1, 2008 9:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the MLE is gone

To sign Davis outright, I think you have to renounced the MLE too. This is where the money is really complex. As long as you have the MLE it already counts against your tax.

Unless Davis comes in some bizarre non-Maggette S&T (Mobley + Thomas and 3 1st rounders? lol), Davis means Maggette is gone.

by John R on Jul 1, 2008 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for clarifying...

I knew it would be too good to be true…so, renouncing Maggette is the only way to get BD, unless its a S&T then…..

by Clip Show on Jul 1, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that's true

You don’t have to renounce the MLE. I think you can use your available cap space, and then use the exceptions afterwards. I think.

Either way, Maggette is highly unlikely. And as someone said above, he’s the biggest loser here. If the Clippers can’t spend big money on him, then he’s pretty much stuck with the MLE. Which sucks for him.

The Clippers! The (second) Best NBA Team in LA!

by Steve Perrin on Jul 1, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good morning, CS

Hoping you enjoy the modest post I just did on the other thread.

Perhaps you might tell us a little bit about your emotional state and expectations right now.

Is all of this just the final twist of the knife, the closing chapter of the Maggettifesto?

Et tu, EB?

by citizen zhiv on Jul 1, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup...

Just read it.

The Clippers! The (second) Best NBA Team in LA!

by Steve Perrin on Jul 1, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad news

John R is right and I am wrong. You have to renounce the MLE and all other exceptions to clear the space. Which means anyone else (Maggette, Livingston, Udrih) you have your eye on would have to be signed for league min contracts. Which is why Fazekas and Williams make sense, I guess.

The Clippers! The (second) Best NBA Team in LA!

by Steve Perrin on Jul 1, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They should be able to guage BD's interest before doing all that

They won’t likely keep EB unless they do it. What choice do they have?

by Jax on Jul 1, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Either way they sign EB first

Right?....because if EB wants to leave, it will have to be through a S&T…otherwise EB gets no $$$...so EB signs…..sees what happens with BD et all, then decides if he wants to stay..

by Clip Show on Jul 1, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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