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Maggette's Shattered Dream

According to this article, Corey Maggette was willing to take less money to stay with the Clippers and play alongside of Davis and Brand.

"We all thought we were going to be on the same team,'' Maggette said. "We were trying to do what Boston did.''

That is, a makeover dramatic enough to lift the Clips from postseason observers to postseason power players. Brand, Davis and Maggette would become the Western Conference version of Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen.

``I've known EB since I was in ninth grade. I've known Baron since I was in eighth grade,'' Maggette said. ``We almost had the opportunity to stay together."

Maggette's fantasy fell apart when Brand went east, to Philadelphia, leaving the Clippers without an All-Star power forward. This told Maggette that "this new Celtics thing that we were going to do is not going to happen.''

 

It is mind-boggling to think of how good the Clippers lineup could have been.

For all his shortcomings, Corey is a player that will definitely be missed.  I'm glad he was able to get a decent contract.

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Corey sure was dreaming

if he thought that was going to happen. There was no way to keep him, too, especially now that we know that the “less” that EB was willing to take really wasn’t that much “less”.

Corey, EB never gave you the chance. Even if he stayed, you were out, dude. Too bad. That would have been a good team.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Jul 11, 2008 11:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

well...

if we signed felton, we’d been close to the salary cap. we could have resigned someone else that we hadn’t renounce to get over the cap (like say ross).

then since we did not use the MLE last year we could have signed corey at the MLE. OH well, its all feltons fault.

by hans007 on Jul 12, 2008 12:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So here's the question

This whole Brand text-message thing is as good as White House emails from the fourth branch during leak week.

FElton agrees to take less that what he can get, 15 million a year, if the Clips can go out and get a top x-factor player like, say, Baron Davis.

The only way that they can make the offer to Davis is if Maggette opts out. FElton has to opt out too, but he has already been talking to Dunleavy and, for all intents and purposes, figuring out the basic parameters of his deal. Maggette opts out. Then Baron and Brand opt out.

We know now that Dunleavy/Sterling offered FElton a max deal, as much as 6yrs/150 million, if FElton could stay healthy and play at an MVP level like he did in 05-06. Not only did FElton get paid 15 million for playing in 8 games in 07-08, but there was also a notable drop off in his 06-07 season. So FElton had to show his value out on the court, get the team to the playoffs, and he would be rewarded. He decided to get the most money he could right now, and make a new deal. This made sense because he could do that and try to position himself on a winning team at the same time. He and Dunleavy agreed that through Brand’s agreement to leave some money on the table, they would try to build a “super team” with multiple stars, like the Celtics or the Lakers.

The Clips closed Baron’s deal. Dunleavy was ecstatic. He rushed to FElton, who agreed to 15 million a year, but FElton had to tell his agent.

Here’s my question. Let’s say that FElton and Baron both closed their deals at these terms. What would the Clippers have been able to offer Maggette? Was there an agreement that Maggette would take a reduction as well?

Did FElton’s emails to teammates saying “you, me, and BD” include Maggette? If it wasn’t, and the Clips wouldn’t have had even enough money to Maggette the MLE, how does Maggette have this misperception? Is he just clueless? What teammate did receive the “you, me, and BD” email? Kaman? Mobley? Livingston?

We looked at this from a different perspective before Brand’s deal went awry, and it probably was covered somewhere. But with Maggette saying this, I wonder if he’s just clueless or if there was a possibility that it might have really happened.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 12, 2008 12:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

now you can call it

“not you, not me, but BD”

congrats clippers fans, another couple of decades of being irrelevant awaits you.

by PippenAintEasy on Jul 12, 2008 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Irrevlevant?

Well, I don’t know any relevant people who spend their time going to other team’s blogs and teasing the fans.

Only losers do that.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Jul 12, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So it looks like you’re a Blazers fan. In that case… Lakers fourth quarter comeback in game seven. Sean Elliot’s dagger three from the corner. And Sam Bowie. Have a good one.

by clipped on Jul 12, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maggette was clueless

Clearly. So was EB for that matter. There is the little think called “the salary cap” which all teams are beholden to.

This is what is chapping me so much about this. EB wanted to take less to get a teammate. The Clippers obliged. Then Falk decided that FElton wanted more after all. The only way to get FElton this NEW number was to start gutting the team. What does that help?

Joe McDonnell pointed that out to Falk. Falk said that Philly cut guys to get EB. So, this is what the great teammate, Elton Brand wanted? For the Clippers to cut Josh Powell and Knight and Fazekas so that he can get a few more bucks a year? Creep.

So no, I don’t think there was ever a “super team” plan that included Maggette.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Jul 12, 2008 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maggette on Dunleavy

By Doug Krikorian. Here.

“I’m certain we could have gone on to win the world title with that team that season (05/06) if it weren’t for Dunleavy,” Maggette once told my friend Doug Blazak, a Clipper season-ticket holder.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Jul 12, 2008 8:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Smart guy that Krikorian

He’d better not post here, however, or someone will call him stupid.

by Jax on Jul 12, 2008 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weird

“We all thought we were going to be on the same team. We were trying to do what Boston did.”

There’s no other way to read this right? He’s talking about himself, Baron and Brand, and the implication is that they were talking about it amongst themselves, all cognizant of this dream, right?

But they must have some, passing familiarity with the salary cap, yes?

So, in the most optimistic reading of this, where we assume that Elton was not ‘playing’ his good friend from the beginning, MAYBE he doesn’t understand that they have to renounce the MLE to sign Brand and Davis (starting at $13M and $11M). Everyone’s taking pay cuts – Corey goes from $7M to $5.8M to be with his pals on a good team. But somewhere along the line Rob Pelinka or SOMEONE told him, “Hey, Maggs, by the way. If you want to play for the Clippers, it’ll be for the vet’s min.”

The Clippers! The (second) Best NBA Team in LA!

by Steve Perrin on Jul 12, 2008 9:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So, just to be clear

What was the most they could have paid Maggette if the BD and FElton deals were closed, as Dunleavy thought they were?

Only in the late great Phase Two scenario (s&t for Baron) does Maggette come back and get the MLE. Could he have gotten even just 5.8 any other way?

How about an expectation that they would unload Thomas or Mobley for nothing and give him some of their money?

by citizen zhiv on Jul 12, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, here's the scoop

Even the ‘greedy’ scenario didn’t save Maggette on the Clips. It saved the MLE to get someone else, but Maggette was the played in the S&T to the Dubs.

So, the ‘reasonable’ way to have EB, BD and CM on the Clippers is to split the money three ways. But if BD takes his $11M and Brand ‘settles’ for his $13M, CM gets $1.4M or whatever the vets min is these days. In order to pay Corey more, you have to start taking money from other roster spots. And bear in mind, trading Brevin for nothing doesn’t give you $1.4M + $2.0 – it gives you $2, because the $1.4M was already an exception. You can’t add the exception to the cap space.

The unreasonable scenario would have to involved getting rid of Mobley or Thomas for nothing. Mobley and three future first rounders to the Grizz for a 20% off FedEx coupon. Then Mobley’s money can go to Maggette.

The Clippers! The (second) Best NBA Team in LA!

by Steve Perrin on Jul 12, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is clear is that EB was telling Corey, BD and Dun one thing

and telling Falk another.

At some point, Falk took this whole thing over, told Brand to “quit dreaming” and go get some money. To do that, the Clippers were going to have to cut somebody, and renounce Maggette. So this was not going to happen.

Falk is a creep, and he brainwashed FElton. Scorched Earth.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Jul 12, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

maggette 710 interview

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/pla ... id=3482788

starts at 15:35 mark

he says he expected all 3 to be on the clips

by croberts1523 on Jul 12, 2008 1:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

That was a great interview. Corey has ended up being the classiest guy in this whole ordeal. I truly with him the best and will always remember him fondly as a Clipper.

He said it himself…they were all three going to take less and get it done here. Somewhere along the lines, EB screwed it up.

Corey will love the Nellie system. He may compete for the scoring title up there.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Jul 12, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maggette will indeed be missed

He’s shown his true colors here once again

by Jax on Jul 12, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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