No News is No News #2
Clipper Steve is taking a quick break to hang out with the family and try to restore the cosmic order, although some (like Citizen Jax) would say that the events of early July are simply par for the course in the Clipcosmos. A hearty triumvirate of lesser citizens will try to plug the gap during the absence of our fearless leader. My own assignment, not surprisingly, is to maintain the thin fiber of morale that remains in ClipsNation as we continue the march through the July of our discontent. Not quite ready to open up the doors of Club Optimism just yet, as Eric Gordon joins us already on crutches with a bad hamstring after just two summer league games, proving that he's even more reminiscent of Corey Maggette than we might have guessed.
At any rate, the purpose of this post is twofold: first, we're all waiting around and hearing a bunch of rumors about power forwards and restricted free agents, and at this point it all seems to be a bunch of gibberish. When it gets to where there's a discussion of Chris Wilcox as Mike Dunleavy's stopgap power forward, you know we're getting dizzy from all the spin. It reminds me of our tortured gyrations of last week, and of course CS' put up his "No News is No News" post at 5:18, and we had more news than ClipsNation could handle by 5:30. And so, in an effort to get things going, I'm testing the system to see if the "no news" thing works again--you can check back in 12 minutes.
Secondly, "no news" has a hallowed place in Clipper lore. Sometimes the Clips are much better off when nothing happens. Kandi deciding not to take the extension offer is of course the best example, but there are others. In this case, if the rumors are true, the Knicks decision to turn down the Clips overly generous offer of a 2nd round pick to take on the horrendous contract and play of Zach Randolph seems to me at least to be a great example of "no news."
Something will happen eventually. The best that Club Optimism, doors shut, can muster at the moment is that the Clips will avoid turning the recent debacle into an all-out, longterm train wreck of epic proportions. Chewing up the Clippers' capspace with three years of Zach Randolph seems like it has that potential. Mike Dunleavy has been a stalwart leader of what has become a complicated salvage operation, and he keeps saying that the Clips have lots of money that they're eager to spend, and they have no bad contracts (the Mobley and Thomas deals aren't what you would call good contracts, but they do seem to be getting better as they approach expiration and become bargaining chips). The goal right now is to keep it that way.
But maybe we'll know something... in about 12 minutes.
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What..no love for Wilcox?
I mean…I have some memorabilia from him while he was on the Clips…and the stuff that I have from FElton and Maggette are now worthless to me…can’t a guy dream about his Wilcox autograph being relevant again?
by Clip Show on Jul 14, 2008 11:30 AM PDT 0 recs
Still no news
So that’s good. I am sad to say that the more I think about it, the more it seems likely that Z-Bo will be the PF for the Clips next year. The Clippers probably find the fact that he will only tie up three years instead of the five it will cost to get a free agent to be of great value. That, and the fact that they will control their own fate with Randolph, not having to wait for a team to match.
Sorry to say it. It’s just my guy feeling right now. But at leatThe only hope is that perhaps the deal can be worked out to include David Lee in exchange for Tim Thomas.
It is encouraging that the team is looking in many directions, though. Deng and Iguodala are great guys to have on the roster. It would require some musical chairs as far as the lineup, but good players are good players.
I’m sure we’ll know soon.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on Jul 14, 2008 11:41 AM PDT 0 recs
Why not take Randolph and call it a day?
I know I am going to get crap for this, but am I the only person who thinks Randolph would be a great fit for the Clippers? He brings the greatest upside and strongest all-round game of any realistically available PF. Lets not forget that we had a dream team of sorts with FElton. Randolph will give us almost everything that traitor brought before plus a little extra. Let me explain.
Randolph has an upside. 1) He brings a little emotion to one of the least emotional teams in the league. We need a little edge if we are going to make it in the next level. BD brings this, but he has a steep hill to climb. 2) Randolph has an outside game. I know we all love Kaman, but he will never be a leader or dominate center in this league. The reason is that he has no skills out of the double team. He has tried for years to figure this out and is still one of the most clueless guys in that position. He has a great array of moves, but they only work on single coverage. I wish this wasn’t true, but it is. Randolph will keep the defense honest and give BD a serious pick and roll guy to weave his magic. Both Kaman and Brand suck as pick and roll guys. 3) Randolph is a beast on the boards. This Clippers are transforming into a faster more jump shooting team. Problem with this strategy is that we are going to miss lots of shots. Without two effective rebounders, we will have a horrendous year. 4) Randolph has a jump shot – even better than that of EB. We need to keep the lanes clear for BD, AT and EG. Randolph will really help that cause.
Randolph also has some serious issues. 1) Cancer for the locker room. Randolph was unhappy with Portland and NY because his teams sucked and he was forced into the defacto leader position given his skills. BD is our team captain and he does not put up with any shit. If any floor general can control Randolph, it is BD. 2) He can’t handle a double team. Well neither can Kaman. Hopefully these two effective scorers will get them more single coverage or at least coverage by a big and a little. 3) He takes too many shots – well that is up to BD, but good. Last year nobody wanted to shoot. This year all five guys will be fighting for them. I for one like that model better.
Randolph has an obscene contract but we could unload Thomas to ease the blow. Maybe we could also get Lee as well who may not be needed but would be great trade bait. For those that think Lee will fill the void – sorry, but you are wrong for the simple reason that with Lee on the floor, Kaman will get double teamed. We need Kaman if we are going to get anywhere this year.
by Elton Hater 1 on Jul 14, 2008 12:03 PM PDT 0 recs
Good points
I am not dead set against Randolph. But he is such an unmitigated disaster on defense that he would ultimately hurt the Clips. That is why getting Lee along with him would be a huge plus.
You are right. The dude can straight up score. And he does have more range on his shot than EB. He is nifty in the post as well. There would be some serious scoring going on, that’s for sure.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on
Jul 14, 2008 12:26 PM PDT
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It's not the player
It’s the contract. Unloading Thomas to “ease the blow” doesn’t solve the problem. Randolph would be a great choice if the Clips could be paying him a reasonable amount. But big, bad contracts that go on for more than a year or two cripple a team and condemn them to mediocrity. Sterling’s motto of “star money for star players” seems to apply—Baron Davis is a star player, and he’ll be worth every penny. Randolph can produce decent numbers in the position where the Clips have a new gaping hole, but he’s not going to produce wins. If it was a one-year rental, like Shawn Marion, it could be a different story. But the 3 years at top dollar is a disaster.
by citizen zhiv on
Jul 14, 2008 1:45 PM PDT
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Just say no to Z-Bo...
Honestly, i don’t get it with Randolph.
Yes he can score, but that’s about it. And what’s even worse is that he’s not just a bad defender(his opponents score at least as much as he does), but also a guy that kills any offense he plays in, cause he’s a huge blackhole on offense. Every time he gets the ball it never gets back to anyone else and that’s not even because he’s selfisch, but way more because of him just not being able to pass out of double teams.
Try to combine that with Baron Davis and you’ll have at least two guys bitching about each other, because they both think they should get the ball more often.
That’s why i really hope that the Clipps stay away from Randolph. Though, if we’re to trade for him, i’d only do it if David Lee is included in the deal as well.
by Silvio on
Jul 15, 2008 9:21 AM PDT
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Given the current makeup of the team
I’d have to agree. Zbo puts up good offensive numbers, but is a poor defender / shot blocker and a bad chemistry guy. Given what’s available out there, I’d rather get someone like Lee and another wing such as AI2 or the Man from Sudan and just run. However, I’m not sure MDSr can or will let the team just play.
by Jax on
Jul 15, 2008 9:48 AM PDT
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NO TO RANDOLPH!!
As one of those who believes Lee could fill the void, I take exception to being told by someone who calls him/herself Elton Hater 1 that I am wrong. I will offer David West as an example for why I have hope for David Lee.
If you look at David Wests ppg before playing with Chris Paul and after you’re going to see a dramatic difference. I am not saying BD is CP3 but he is a dramatic improvement in the pg department compared with Marbury/Fred Jones/Nate Robinson.
David Lee has averaged over 10 points and 9 boards his last two seasons. I would love to see the crystal ball that showed you that when coupled with BD, Lee was incapable of raising his ppg leaving defenses to double Kaman.
I should also point out that Lee is a career 57% shooter. Not playing behind a scab like Randolph would give him more minutes to take advantage of not being guarded, right?
No need to apologize to those of us who think Lee will fill the void. We obviously lack your amazing foresight! Lets strap on a ridiculous contract minus a prospect in Lee and hope for the best!
by oneight on Jul 14, 2008 1:18 PM PDT 0 recs
It didn't work
I was hoping that the “no news” thing would work and we would get some sort of news. Maybe I jumped the gun by a day—the original 5:18 no news post was on a Tuesday, and chances are that the Clips are still going through the workday exploring their options, especially with trying to put together some sort of trade. But I must say that I’m kind of antsy for news already.
by citizen zhiv on Jul 14, 2008 1:49 PM PDT 0 recs
My apologies OneNight
I did not mean to suggest that anybody who thinks David Lee would be a solid performer is not seeing reality – Sometimes I come across like that. This blog has some of the smartest basketball minds around and I do not presume my mind is any better than everybody else’s. The Clippers need somebody to take them to a championship. David Lee is a great player and brings great value. The problem is that from what I have seen, he is not able to create his own shot. He loiters under the basket and makes most of his points on putbacks. We need somebody to keep the defense honest in relation to Kaman. With David Lee on the court, Kaman will be two teamed frequently. As such, I don’t think he will fill our gaping void left by EB. I don’t like Randolph as a person, nor do I like his contract. The fact is he is the only player available right now that actually fills the void. It also seems that Dunleavy agrees with me as he made an offer already. I like Lee, but I like Fazekas more – same with Powell who is already signed. If you package Lee and Mobley together, I think there will be some serious interest – more than Mobley alone. That would allow us to see the team in action and make adjustments as necessary closer to the trade deadline. Randolph’s contract is too large, but it expires the year after Lebron and maybe we will be able to be a serious player in the 2011 trade market. Unless we expect to steal Nowitski in the 2010 market (which is unlikely to say the least), I say we upgrade now and do some damage now. Every team can handle one bad contract. The fact that Randolph has been a 20/10 player most of his career makes it tough to see his contract as being horrendous. He also plays most of every season, unlike some other names on the trade market. As long as he is winning and certain of his place on BD’s team, I think he would work out fine. One thing about a lying AHole is that you can always count on him being a lying AHole. That’s more than I can say about FElton.
by Elton Hater 1 on Jul 14, 2008 7:07 PM PDT 0 recs
Still some issues
I don’t see Randolph as the only player available to fill the void. How available is he if the Clippers offer was denied? Shawn Marion would be a far better option in all respects. Golden State played the run and gun almost better than the Suns, and adding Marion even if only for one season to this current lineup seems so much smarter. Based solely on his contract, Randolph should not even be considered. If there turns out to be no chemistry as there wasn’t in Portland or New York, no one is gonna touch the guy. That contract would be preventing the team from making moves in BDs last, best years.
by oneight on
Jul 15, 2008 6:17 PM PDT
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