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Just How Lopsided was the Camby Trade?

Did the Clippers just pull off a bigger coup than the Lakers did when they acquired Pau Gasol from the Memphis Grizzlies for Kwame Brown and a retired dude?  Maybe.  The Clippers were able to land a bonfide defensive presence in Marcus Camby for either a 2nd rd. pick in 2010, or possibly nothing.  Wow!  Denver fans are understandably upset

The Clippers were not the only team interested, according to The Rocky Mountain News.  The New Jersey Nets also were interested in trading for Marcus Camby...But the Nets, without room under the salary cap, were not able to bid low enough to get him in a salary-cap dump.

"Kiki really wanted Marcus,'' said Camby's agent, Rick Kaplan, referring to New Jersey general manager Kiki Vandeweghe, the general manager in Denver when the Nuggets traded for Camby in June 2002. "But he didn't have enough of nothing to give.'' 


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Here in LA, Clippers Coach Mike Dunleavy is a very happy man. 

Dunleavy spoke with the Denver media about the trade.  "We sent word to teams over the luxury tax that we could take money off their hands," Clippers coach Mike Dunleavy said.

Dunleavy said Camby, the 2006-07 NBA Defensive Player of the Year, might end up being a "better fit" than Brand. He spoke with Camby on Tuesday.

"It was a shock to him at first, but I think he knows he's a great fit," said Dunleavy, who plans to start Camby alongside incumbent Clippers center Chris Kaman.

He added:  "It's a great acquisition for us.'' Dunleavy...plans to start Camby at power forward alongside Clippers center Chris Kaman.

 "(Camby) really complements our guys. He's one of the best all-around defenders in the league... Marcus is maybe even a better fit for us than Elton. He's coming off a great year, and Elton played just eight games last year (due to injury).''

Meanwhile, Josh Smith is bummed.  The Clippers may have had a real shot at him because he has stated that he doesn't want to play for Hawks if their coach, Mike Woodsen, remains the coach.  

But the Charlotte Bobcats sure are relieved.   They will probably be able to keep Emeka Okafor for a whole lot less than they otherwise would have. 

Elsewhere, and strangely,  teams are reluctant to give James Posey more than a three-year contract, which I really don't understand.   If the Clippers could clear more cap space, I would be in favor of giving Posey his four years. 

And it seems nobody wants to to take on Kenny Thomas's contract to bring in Ron Artest, not even the Knicks.   Kenny's deal expires in 2010.  Surely somebody out there could use Ron-Ron for a year and let Thomas expire before the 2010 bonanza.  Dallas perhaps, for Josh Howard?

Still lots of possibilities. 

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the 2nd round pick...

is actually just an option for the Nuggets to swap places with the Clips in that round if they so choose. So either way, we still have the same number of picks as we did before… and we added the league leader in blocked shots for the last 3 years!!!!!!!! Thank you Denver. We weren’t expecting Christmas to come so soon this year. I always knew that Santa was a Clippers fan.

Oh me, oh my!!!! The Red Baron has come home!!

by Clipper T on Jul 16, 2008 8:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"maybe an even better fit for us than FElton..."

Does anybody think Dunleavy is still pissed?

Wow. That guy is tough, not afraid to get angry, and not afraid to get even.

Nice.

As much as Dunleavy’s stubborn nature was a detriment in dealing with Wilcox and Maggette, neither of whom were brought in by him, his belief, support and loyalty to the guys that he evaluates and decides to bring on is impressive. It doesn’t really apply to 2nd round picks, but you can see it with Cassell, Mobley, Ross and others, and he has been extremely patient and then some with Kaman.

My guess is that he’s going to figure out with Baron Davis exactly how he wants to run the team-Davis has never played on a team with this kind of rebounding and defensive presence-and he’s going to mold them into a very tough group that does not give up any easy baskets. One of the best things about Baron’s creativity and offensive firepower is that it functions in both the full and the half court. With the rebounding of Camby and Kaman, Davis will be able to get out and run with Thornton and Gordon, but Davis is also a strong, penetrating PG who gets lots of points on his own and easy baskets for others.

Baron’s team looks very good, and his coach is pretty geeked up and angry.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 16, 2008 8:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That was my favorite quote, too...Rim shot!

By the way, great point about the fast break basketball that will result from this defensive rebounding.

With Camby and Kaman gobbling up just about every missed shot, Davis, Gordon and Thronton will be able to stay back and get into transition early. Lots of easy baskets, I would think.

I believe Denver and GSW were the best fast break teams over the past few years, and I think Davis and Camby had a lot to do with it.

Sweet!

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Jul 16, 2008 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i guess you havnt been watching much basketball

phoenix was/is way better in the fast break than both GSW and denver

by Die Dave - PAE on Jul 16, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

RFAs become UFAs?

Part of the domino effect of the Clips finding their 5th starter is that all of the RFAs out there have to be pretty bummed out now. Suddenly, there’s literally no market for them to establish their value and to see if their teams will match. There appears to be real money on the table from their teams, but the question is how happy they are in those markets (Okafor in Charlotte) and with those coaches (Smith made a comment about Woodson), or with the money being offered (Iggy, Ellis, Biedrins).

It seems like some of them will take a qualifying offer and become UFAs, right?

That’s part of the genius of the Camby trade, which was called “one of the most lopsided trades in NBA history” somewhere. Not only do the Clips get a highly productive and completely complementary player, but Camby’s deal fits very neatly into the Clips’ emerging expiring contract picture. The Clips are competitive right now, and they will be just as competitive or more so in the near future.

You can work out the scenarios for players like Smith, Okafor, Carlos Boozer or others if they choose to become UFAs. I happen to like Baron-Kaman-Camby-Thornton-Gordon better than any of them, right now. But at some point over the next year, if the Clips see an available UFA that they like, the Clips can trade Mobley, Thomas, and/or Camby to teams looking for 2010 capspace. Still they could easily be better off with what they have and then go shopping themselves in 2010.

The timing of the contract situation in this deal is one of the best parts of it. Starting to look like FElton might have done us a favor. Not ready to like him again yet, and the wound between the shoulder blades is just starting to heal, but definitely feeling better now.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 16, 2008 9:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You are on it today

Another great point. If Camby disappoints, the Clips don’t have to wait for 2010. They can trade him and Mobley or Thomas to one of the New York teams needing cap relief, and grab Smith, Okafor or Booze without having to screw with this matching business. Or just wait for 2010 and go after Bosh or Amare.

Totally a win-win. (I personally think that Camby is going to work out great for two years)

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Jul 16, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We probably do have to wait until 2010 for free agents

If we traded Thomas or Mobley to a team looking to cut salary, we’d have to take back a longer contract. So we probably won’t be bidding in 2009 for the likes of Smith, Okafor or Boozer. But I agree with you that we are in good shape with Camby. And Thomas, Mobley or even Camby sure could bring us a nice trade down the line.

by ClipCat on Jul 16, 2008 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Block Party / Chairmen of the Boards

I like this team b/c of that exact reason; rebounding leads to fast breaks. BD, Cutino, Gordon, Al etc can get out and run b/c Kaman, Camby & Jordan will block the shots and/or get the rebound. Off to the races! Perhaps LAC should look at Matt Banres b/c with this style of play he’d be a good fit, should fit the budget, and has a nasty streak which this team could use.

by jb_baby on Jul 16, 2008 9:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you have to give Dunleavy Credit

He found a fairly good player for only cap room, and one that doesn’t bind the cap or the Clippers financially for the next 2 seasons. Well played by the Clippers, and once again, this type of deal proves how badly teams don’t want to pay luxury tax.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 16, 2008 9:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Davis and Camby

I wonder if Davis will be able to bring the best out of everyone like Paul does in NO. I would like to see Camby get the cheap and easy buckets that Chandler does for NO. Maybe Kaman can get the easy post game like West does in NO. I’m excited by the opportunities. I hope/think that Dunleavy will gameplan around BD in order to keep BD happy/involved. If that is the case, let’s go slow half-court or even semi fast break. Whatever BD wants as far as I’m concerned.

by Mr. Irrelevant on Jul 16, 2008 10:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If we make it through the regular season healthy we can make some noise

Our starting lineup looks pretty solid on paper. We probably just need one more solid vet and we are a very very good team.

Breakdown of our team vs. the rest of the Western Conf. Playoff Teams.

PG – Baron’s as talented as any PG in the league. He’s much bigger and stronger than Tony Parker and Chris Paul, much quicker than Steve Nash and Jason Kidd, better than any PG the Rockets and Lakers have to offer. The only guy who matches up well with Baron is Deron Williams. I think we have the edge in PG play against all except Deron and Paul (maybe Nash, but he can’t play D).

SG – Our weakest position but Mobley is still serviceable. He needs to play solid D and spread the court and I think he can still do that as long as its at the 4th or 5th option.

C – Kaman 2.0 is better than all but a handful of centers. He can stand to improve his passing out of double teams but should only get better in this department. He is at least the equal of Chandler, Bynum, Okur, Oden and Old Shaq. Only clear cut guy above him is a healthy Yao Ming.

PF – Camby is a terrific defender who will make us one of the better defensive teams in the league. He’s not as good as Gasol, Duncan, Dirk, David West, Boozer, Amare or even LaMarcus Aldridge but he should be able to make them earn their baskets and limit their 2nd chance opportunities.

SF – Thornton is a solid player who can be a solid offensive and defensive player. SF is one of the weaker positions in the West, he should be able to hang with Peja, Kirilenko, Diaw and even Josh Howard. The Rockets have an advantage with TMac but we could probably double him pretty effectively and leave their PF open. I definitely take Al over the Lakers SF choices and an ancient Bruce Bowen.

Bench – Brevin Knight, Tim Thomas and Eric Gordon pretty much make up the entire bench. Anything Taylor and Jordan give us is just gravy. We could use a solid backup big and a big swing man (a Trevor Ariza type) for extra depth.

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by ClipperChuck on Jul 16, 2008 4:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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