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The Camby cap situation, in brief

I'll keep this short. The general consensus seems to have it right so let's just put it it out there. Assuming everything written before was accurate, the Camby situation should be pretty simple.

Camby takes about $10M of the $15M set aside for FElton. The quality of this news depends on how Baron Davis' contract was actually structured. It has been widely reported that it is 5yrs/$65M. If that is a flat $13M per, then he goes outside of my original allocation for him. The Clippers are then left with a trivial $2M or so to chase free agents. If, however, the Clippers went with the start small and raise 8% per year style, his first year is only a drop over $11M. The Clippers would then have a more robust $3-$5M to try to attact one more piece.

Unfortunately I believe it still holds that the Clippers must not have their mid-level exemption. They would have to renounce it, as per the original discussion, to have the room under the cap to take on Camby's contract. It is very close though if Davis' contract starts at only $11M. They should have near as much as the MLE. If it starts at $13M, i believe there is basically nothing left.

So from here on out its one small shot, and then veteran's minimums to fill up the squad. Keep those eyes on Summer League.

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Thanks for the update...

I was wondering how the MLE worked in this situation, and if they had renounced it or not. There is still enough $$ to bring in some unassuming role players, like Barnes, but making a run at Posey now looks out of the question. Keep up the good work.

by Clip Show on Jul 16, 2008 9:46 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still don't see why the Clippers have to renounce the MLE to get Camby

I thought that if they don’t use it it wouldn’t count. if they do, then that would take them over the cap. Appreciate your insight on this.

by Jax on Jul 16, 2008 10:17 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My understanding

In order for the Clippers to take on Camby, they have to be able to take the whole contract. $10M.

I had the Clippers at $33.5M or so with minimum cap holds. Davis is lets say $12 to be safe either way. So thats $45.5M. If the Clippers do not renounce the MLE it counts against the cap, so that’s $50M. Then they do not have enough room under the cap (about $59M) to take on $10M more.

Its basically designed to stop this very loophole. The MLE is for teams starting from a position over the cap. The league doesn’t want teams to spend up to the cap, AND THEN use their exemptions.

Even though Camby came via trade, for the trade to function as it did with the Clippers just taking on the contract, they had to have enough space to take him on as if a free agent. If my math is correct, and I fully acknowledge it may not be, then they had to renounce everything and everyone except my original 8 + BD to get there.

If Davis did the starting at $11M thing, it may be very close. But then something kinda funny happens. It doesn’t matter if the Clippers have their MLE or the same amount of money as the MLE, that’s all they are going to be able to spend either way. It doesn’t matter what you name it. Bottom line is they shouldn’t be able to sign a MLE level guy…and then ANOTHER MLE level guy.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Jul 16, 2008 10:29 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok - I thought I read somewhere that EBSr had said they had a little more cash to spend

Thanks. Still don’t understand why you can’t sign a guy for MLE money if that still keeps you at or under your cap. I may be missing something here.

by Jax on Jul 16, 2008 10:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can

But they wouldn’t call it the MLE. Its just available money until you get to the cap.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Jul 16, 2008 10:38 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They aren't renouncing the money, hopefully they spend the $2-$5M left.

But its not the MLE. Its just remaining cap space.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Jul 16, 2008 10:41 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did this happen?

Did I just witness a civilized and somewhat agreeable exchange between John R and Jax?

by bigclipperfan on Jul 16, 2008 10:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It did

but they are the same person, just talking out of both sides of their mouth!

by Citizen Roy G Biv on Jul 16, 2008 11:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its sad that you confuse you acting civil ith messaging ego.

As noted in the other thread, when you ask an honest question, you get an honest answer.

When you put words in my mouth, you get treated the way you deserve.

Again, Im sure everyone would appreciate it if you would stop crapping in every thread.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Jul 17, 2008 1:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clippers can still get Josh Smith

Looks like Smith wants out of Atlanta unless they change coaches.

Nobody with money is interested in Smith anymore, and so Atlanta should be able to resign him at a reasonable rate, for maybe $11 million per year. We should engineer some sort of trade with Atlanta to take Josh Smith off of their hands.

Tim Thomas+Brevin Knight + DeAndre Jordan+Pick for Josh Smith.

Then our lineup would be:

Davis, Mobley, Smith, Camby, Kaman (with Gordon, Thornton, Powell on the bench).

by bballanalyst on Jul 16, 2008 10:57 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like how you think

but a few problems there.

1) No way ATL makes that trade.
2) Thornton is very ready to start. At his age, I would hate to delay his development any more. He is going to be a scoring machine.
3) Brevin Knight is more important that you think to this team now. As a starter, he was a mess. But he makes an excellent backup PG. Hartd to replace that.

The Clippers need to use their cap space to get some solid role players, and maybe another shooter.

I am also not opposed to bringing back both QRoss and Livingston.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Jul 16, 2008 11:06 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how about

TT, Knight/Mobley and a pick for Lee and Crawford. Don’t know if the money works, but I think that would bee a sweet deal for us. Shooting and another big

by daclipjoint on Jul 16, 2008 3:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alternative

How about Thomas + Thornton for Smith? It answers 1,2,3. Of course, I wouldn’t want to give up Thornton as he appears to be developing into a star player, but Josh Smith is already a star and younger than Thornton. It seems though that Thornton is easier to get along with than Smith (he had problems with his coach; and he might also have problems with Dunleavy), so I am not sure if I would make that trade myself.

by bballanalyst on Jul 16, 2008 11:26 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bide Time

To me, when those guys get traded, I want it to be a home run. If Smith is your home run, then pour all you have into it. Thomas + filler + 2 1st rounders.

Otherwise, wait. As we see with this Camby deal, right place and right time is huge. The Clippers have the right pieces to make the big play if the opportunity arises.

Mobley + Thomas is a max contract player. $19M in expiring contracts for 2010 + picks should be able to do something very interesting.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Jul 16, 2008 11:31 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Veteran's exemption?

1) Is this also known as the bi-annual exception?, and
2) Is it available? If not, why not? and
3) If the answer to 2 is ‘no,’ am I right in assuming we’ll have the MLE and the other exception available next year, as we don’t seem to be losing any contracts of substance?

by pipedreams on Jul 16, 2008 4:49 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Veteran's minimum

It just means you can sign any player to the minimum salary. The minimum salary for each individual is determined by years of service.

I am not certain about the bi-annual status, but really its the same as the MLE. If the Clippers had to renounce it to get far enough under the cap, its gone. If not, they don’t need it anyway.

All exemptions will reboot next year.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Jul 16, 2008 4:52 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hat tip to daclipjoint from a comment in the fanposts

Hoopsworld’s analysis.

I’m not making fun of Mr. Pincus at all, but I put it in this thread because of this Nene Hilarious part:

In the meantime his cap number is computed at $10 million which leaves the Clippers with between $869k and $5.7 million in cap space (depending on Baron’s exact starting salary).

Ya I know, that’s what I said.

Get me BD and 75 and I'm in

by John R on Jul 16, 2008 5:09 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks

and indeed you did say that!!

by daclipjoint on Jul 16, 2008 8:14 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From the Denver Post

I didn’t know this:

It gets lost in the fine print, but the Camby deal netted the Nuggets a $10-million trade exception, giving them a one-year window to acquire a $10-million player without matching salaries against the cap. Add in the savings from Iverson’s and Chucky Atkins’ expiring deals and the front office will have real, live options.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Jul 17, 2008 7:36 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can but probably won't

I saw somewhere, when the trade exception was mentioned, that the Nuggets weren’t likely to use it because they were still in over their heads with the contracts they already have. The big problem is that no one is likely to take on the contracts of Nene and KMart-which I haven’t looked at, but I think they’re pretty bad-and then they have Melo and AI, and they want to sign JR Smith. They have work to do with what’s in front of them, and it’s doubtful that they would go out and do any shopping this year.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 17, 2008 8:00 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree

But Camby is pretty pissed at them. I hope he brings a bigger chip on his shoulder to LA.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Jul 17, 2008 9:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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