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Around SBN: Kentucky Wildcats 66, Alabama Crimson Tide, 55: Postmortem

July 2

On June 30th, a lot of stuff happened.  The Clippers declined to offer Shaun Livingston a qualifying offer, making him an unrestricted free agent.  Corey Maggette opted out and became a free agent.  Then Elton Brand opted out and became a free agent.  And although I've insisted that it's all good news, it was still more than a little nerve-wracking.  The Baron Davis opted out and became a free agent.  Then a lot of speculation started that Davis and Brand might both be willing to take pay cuts to play for the Clippers.  But it seemed a little to good to be true.  Meanwhile, coach MDsr was having a romantic late supper with Beno Udrih.

On July 1st, a lot of stuff happened.  Jose Calderon re-signed with the Raptors.  Udrih re-signed with the Kings.  The already slim pickings among free agent point guards were getting slimmer very quickly.  But speculation heated up that Davis would sign with the Clippers.  When one report said that a decision could come as early as Wednesday, it seemed to good to be true.  And then it got better.  The deal was done, and Davis and the Clippers had agreed to terms.  Brand was clearly part of Davis' decision, and his own deal would be negotiated in short order.  It cost the club favorite son Corey Maggette, but overall it was one of the great days in team history. 

Today, July 2nd, there's nada. 

Just rumors about what OTHER teams are throwing at our free agents.  Corey Maggette will have his pick of contenders to play for while making the mid level.  Oh, and the Summer League roster.  And a massive contract offer from the Warriors to Brand, seemingly playing tit for tat.

I read the other day about a situation in a minor league baseball game where an ambidextrous pitcher was facing a switch hitting batter.  The pitcher had his specially designed glove on his left hand, preparing to pitch right-handed - so the batter got into the box on the left.  The pitcher switched his glove over - the batter asked for time and went to the other side of the plate.  This went on for awhile, until the umpire put a stop to it.

There's no way the Clippers made an offer to Baron Davis that will cost them Elton Brand.  No.  Way.  It is in fact my assumption that Baron's contract amount (which is completely determined by Elton's contract amount) was cleared with Brand and agent David Falk before Davis ever agreed to it.  If the Warriors think they are changing the game by putting more money on the table, they aren't.  And even if Brand decides he wants the money over the better teammate (it is a lot of cash, after), the Clippers will pull the plug on the Davis deal and give Elton what he wants.  But don't forget - this was all Elton's idea.  He'll sign with the Clippers for the lesser amount.  For all intents and purposes, he already has.

So what's the delay?  Who knows.  Look, it's one day.  According to the LA Times, Elton's traveling today.  Maybe they just couldn't get everyone together.  Besides, with all the speculation about collusion (frowned upon, if not necessarily illegal for players and agents), I think it behooves Elton to pretend to be interested in offers from the Warriors and the Sixers.  So he'll listen.  And then he'll sign with the Clippers for less.

I've been meaning to mention, and now's as good a time as any, that David Falk is Sam Cassell's agent as well.  We said several times during the Cassell buy out fiasco last February, that the one and only good thing that could come out of releasing Sammy was that Falk would be more inclined to work with the Clippers when Brand's contract was due.

It was a tougher day today, waiting for good news that didn't come, watching the vultures start to circle.  But the vultures won't touch the body as long as it's still kicking.  And this deal is far from dead.  Brand and Davis will be Clippers next season.  Brand's deal will be announced soon.  How soon?  Maybe tomorrow.  Maybe July 9th.  But it will happen.

UPDATE: July 3, 9:40 AM  Marc Stein of ESPN implies that there's a chance Brand will take the Warriors offer.  Don't believe him.  For one thing, when you read what he's written, even he doesn't believe Brand will be a Warrior.  So why imply otherwise?  These guys sell drama.  With no official word from anyone, they're completely free to make this seem as tense as they like, as long as they don't say anything totally wrong that will make them look stupid later (and sometimes even then).

What evidence are we working with here?  Next to nothing.  He hasn't said he's a Clipper - so that's the absence of evidence.  He flew to D.C. to meet face-to-face with his agent.  As we've said from the beginning, if the Clippers were in real danger of losing EB for more money, they would simply say, "We'll back out of the deal with Baron and give you that money."  Either way, Brand is a Clipper.  The fact that Brand is in D.C. fits that scenario fine.  The ball is totally in Brand's court, and he has two choices.  More money and no Baron Davis in LA, or less money with Baron Davis in LA.  Money in Oakland doesn't even make the list.

So, you're welcome to be nervous about the possibility of losing out on Baron Davis.  That could happen, although I doubt it.  But don't worry about Elton wearing that silly shiny gold uni next year.  Not even a remote possibility.

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Well said

Either way, Brand is a Clipper, with or without Davis. Should we be a little worried? On the edge of our seats a bit until ink hits paper? Sure. But let’s have some faith that the basketball gods won’t screw us for once.

I just posted a comment on the “More than a little embarrassing” post saying how faulty blog posts can easily be deleted in the new era of journalism… let’s hope in a week or so we’re not pleading for you delete everything from the past few days to keep us off the ledge.

by clipped on Jul 2, 2008 10:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope you're right

The Times article leaves me biting my nails. Could this be a play to get the Clippers to match and not be able to afford Baron? Do we/can we offer Elton a 6th year? It would be so depressing, but historically consistent, if this all fell apart.

by Jonee on Jul 2, 2008 10:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Elton Brands choice…

He could go to the warriors. However, they seem a little tight with the pocketbook so he may not have a lot of help, especially when you consider the fact that his contract would be 1/3 of the salary cap and the warriors won’t pay the luxury tax. He probably will make the playoffs only once in the span of his 5 year deal (maybe, but certainly not next year with no true point guard). But he would be about 4 million dollars richer every year for 5 years.

Or he can stay with the clippers. With the current roster healthy, most people think they’re a step ahead of Denver, a 50 win team last year. He’d have a good supporting cast with no REALLY bad contracts. DTS might even be willing to pay the tax in the future IF in fact the team made a deep playoff run. (he just put up 65 million for baron, so who knows.) Plus Brand has a lot of respect within the organization already.

He could probably make back that 4 million over the 5 years just being in LA, especially if the word was spread that he took LESS to improve HIS team. That alone should be worth big endorsements. Forget players like Gilbert that "command" the max and don’t leave room for their team to improve… show of hands… how many people think Washington will win a title with Gil? none? Exactly. I don’t want to see a gilbert arenas commercial, I want to see and Elton Brand commercial. I’d buy that product. (I don’t know why I have 200 pairs of snow gloves, but Elton Brand said I should get them! LOL!)

by cantthinkofagoodname on Jul 2, 2008 11:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Quesy stomach time

I’m sure no true Clips fan feels safe until Brand is officially re-signed with the Clips. There’s a big difference between 5 years 70 mil and 5 years 90 mil, and its hard for anyone to walk away from 20 mil of guaranteed money. Not sure what the post-tax is on that, but it’s a lot nonetheless. The Clips have to be creative now, maybe a 6th year, maybe a partial ownership stake, lifetime luxury suite to his disposal, whatever. At the end of the day, David Falk has all the power on the negotiation side, Clips pretty much have to go along with what he says. Aft,er all, many of us would switch companies for a 28% yearly salary increase as well. It’s just hard to turn down that type of money. Can anyone of us blame Bobby Simmons for signing that outrageous contract with the Bucks even though they play him 20 min a night?
Surely there is still an outside chance of the unthinkable happening, so it will be restless time for the ClipperNation until that day. A Davis-Maggette duo would certainly be much less attractive, and there just aren’t many non-guards on the market this year. Every hour, things get more anxious. Let’s all hope things go as planned.

Thanks CS for the many updates the last few days

I love LAC.

by oasisman on Jul 3, 2008 12:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

DTS needs to follow Jerry Buss's example

and give EB a piece of the pie, 5 % ownership. Elton is forever the face of this franchise.

Or at least give him a building or something.

by mikey p on Jul 3, 2008 6:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

5 years?

Why is the rumor 5 years? EB can get 6.

Don’t do this Clippers…

by John R on Jul 3, 2008 8:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think EB can get 6

because the Clips have to renounce him in order to squeeze BD in.

Does that sound right?

by mikey p on Jul 3, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They don't renounce him

They just have to work out his deal first.

EB should be reupped as a full Bird agent.

by John R on Jul 3, 2008 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean I dont know how they plan to attack it

But actually signing him to that 15M to start contract should put the cap situation in order, if my calculations were correct.

Then that makes it a 6yr/117M deal. Completely indistinguishable from a 5yr/100M deal since extending it for would year would probably make that one like 6yr/120M.

That doesn’t mean my calculations aren’t wrong or that the Clippers haven’t loused it up some other way.

by John R on Jul 3, 2008 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But EB

would most likely NOT be getting offers of $17mil/$20 mil a year for that sixth year if he is a free agent (ie. signs with GS), right? Thats why that 6th year is so huge…security…

by Clip Show on Jul 3, 2008 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is why I am nervous about the holdup

EB gets a huge amount of value from that 6th year.

If the Clippers are dickering around here…

by John R on Jul 3, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see your concern....

But it has been the Clippers intention from the start that EB gets what he wants…I don’t see EBsr or Dunleavy pulling a quick one right after they just got BDavis. Maybe they are working on a side deal to somehow clear some $$ for Livie, or maybe they are having some problems with their numbers…who knows…I am still not worried…it’s a no brainer…

by Clip Show on Jul 3, 2008 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is my understanding also

Renounce Maggette and Livingston. Re-sign Brand without renouncing him. Sign Davis.

If you do it in that order, you retain Brand’s Bird rights, which means 6 years and 10% raises. And you have exactly the same amount left for Davis with Brand starting at the same price, whatever that is. You get the extra year and the 10% raises versus the 8% raises with zero cap ramifications right now. This is an absolute no brainer if Brand’s head really is turned by the Warriors’ offer. Just the extrra 2% compounded is a LOT of money.

The Clippers! The (second) Best NBA Team in LA!

by Steve Perrin on Jul 3, 2008 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This should have been a no-brainer regardless of GSW

WTF? Wouldn’t you automatically give EB the max possible after adding Davis?

I think John’s numbers are correct.

by mikey p on Jul 3, 2008 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I’m hoping that the ‘5 year’ speculation in the press has simply been misinformed. I don’t know why the Clippers would even consider 5 versus 6 when the guy engineered this whole thing and left money on the table. It’s possible that John and I are misunderstanding, or that (god forbid) they Clippers misunderstood and screwed the pooch on it. But it’s all fixable until July 9th. No one (not Maggette, not Brand, not Livingston, not even Davis) has been rescinded yet, since no deals can be officially made yet. The agreements for now are verbal and in principal, pending the final cap numbers.

The Clippers! The (second) Best NBA Team in LA!

by Steve Perrin on Jul 3, 2008 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just saw this...

on ESPN…
EB waiting?
Like we all are thinking, it says ultimately EB will resign with the Clips. What I dont understand is why everyone is giving GS’s offer so much weight? No brainer here…

by Clip Show on Jul 3, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is their take up in the Bay

From Janny Hu. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/warriors/index

OK, here’s the latest on the Warriors chase of Elton Brand: Golden State has offered him a five-year deal worth $90 million, which is right around the maximum allowed, and more importantly, is about $15 MILLION MORE THAN THE CLIPPERS CAN OFFER.

Why? Because in order to sign Baron Davis to his five-year, $65 million deal, the Clippers will have to renounce their rights to both Brand and Corey Maggette

. Which means the Clips will become subject to the same salary cap constraints as any other team. Which means they cannot add a sixth year onto Brand’s deal. Which means that five years at about $75 million is roughly their limit.

Basically, the Clips had about $27 million worth of cap space to work with once Magette and Brand opted out of their contracts Monday. According to multiple league sources, that was to be divided between Baron and Brand, with Brand coming away with a little more of the split than Baron.

Now? Baron is headed to L.A. ... And Brand has both the Clippers and Warriors playing a waiting game. So stay tuned.

by mikey p on Jul 3, 2008 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure about that...

Saw that same article, but I didn’t buy it on face value. John R has proven to be pretty savvy about the complexities of the cap… not sure I take “Janny Hu’s” opinion over his….

by swamigusto on Jul 3, 2008 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree...

of course it would be in the best interest of the Warriors to be on level playing ground concerning Brand, but I am not buying it. John, can we get a ruling please?

by Clip Show on Jul 3, 2008 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Janny Who?

Janny Hu, Warriors beat writer, that’s who (Hu):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRSsoafPNxE

(I accidentally googled Janny Chu by mistake; i didn’t regret it:) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8096335732212899960

by mikey p on Jul 3, 2008 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand...

why everyone is so nervous. Yeah, EB hasn’t signed. Yeah, Golden State offered him a TON of money (which they also did for Arenas). But here’s the thing, EB WANTS to be in LA WITH Baron Davis, for less money nonetheless (it will be a 6 year contract…that should not be in doubt)! If EB wanted the max contract, he would say so, and the Clippers would give him everything but the kitchen sink (6 years at whatever..) which would trump anything Golden State could offer. Granted, Baron Davis would also be off the table at that point, but everything points to EB and BDiddy playing together in a Clippers uniform next year. Relax people…relax…

by Clip Show on Jul 3, 2008 8:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One final note...

I find it almost comical that NO ONE…not EB, Baron or either of their agents have been available for comment these past couple of days. Everything we are hearing is hearsay at this point…not only has the LA Times been at a loss by this whole “Clippers may be good next year” thing, but even ESPNews is in doubt, running little tid bits about how EB MAY sign with the Warriors now that the Clips stole the Warriors prized possession (tit for tat scenario). It all makes for good TV and copy, but none of this speculation has any sort of truth behind it.

by Clip Show on Jul 3, 2008 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re:

We are nervous because we are Clipper fans. Other then Brand/Chandler trade when was the last time anything fell in our favor. Until I see them introduced at a press conference I will remain skeptical that two of my favorite players conspired to play on my team for less then the going rate for their services.

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 3, 2008 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess my point is this...

EB is not going anywhere….he WILL be a Clipper…whether he wants the money or to win. Worst case, EB wants the max contract from the Clips (with the extra year), BD is gone, and Clips resign Maggette…best case, which we all know is that EB and Bdavis are clippers, and Maggette walks. We all need to back away from the ledge a little bit…
Skepticism is fine…but I prefer to belong to Club Optimism with Zhiv…
Nothing but good things ahead for the Clips at this point :)

by Clip Show on Jul 3, 2008 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The tension is thick

becasue if anyone could bungle this think, it would be the Clippers.

by mikey p on Jul 3, 2008 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not really

in the Clippers hands…thats the great part about it. EB is the decision maker…he choses to make less money. He choses to play on a winning team. It’s pretty simple actually.

by Clip Show on Jul 3, 2008 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Practice Arena

Does anyone think that Baron would have accepted our offer if DTS hadn’t shown how committed he was to this team in the future without building the state of the art practice arena?
On a followup to that, when will it be completed?

by Phil Gurnee on Jul 3, 2008 8:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point

The “new Clippers” will be practicing in the “state of the art facility,” right?

I don’t know that it was a big factor, but it certainly doesn’t hurt. Baron’s going to love it down there. And Brand, Kaman and the others will be very psyched about it too. It will give the team confidence.

Good timing—just another sign that things are coming together. Credit to Dunleavy for pulling DTS out of the dark ages, and to DTS for stepping up and staying the course on all of the changes.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 3, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe the holdup is brand is trying to make the money work so he can sign his buddy corey as well…maybe we ship out thomas or mobley..

by cliprboy on Jul 3, 2008 10:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I had considered that, too

but I doubt it. That would require a huge pay cut by EB.

by mikey p on Jul 3, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well if eb is the ultimate team player, maybe he does, if we keep corey too, we stun the entire team and become an immediate championship contender

by cliprboy on Jul 3, 2008 11:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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