Is Eric Gordon a SG or a PG?
Gordon is projected to be a SG but has said in interviews that he prefers to play PG and he played that position in high school. He may be a great player, but I strongly doubt he will be a superstar SG. Think of Kobe or Allen or even LeBron (this year maybe). He is just too small and although he is super-fast and strong, there are many faster and stronger players at that position. If he wants to succeed, the probability will be so much greater at PG. If we get the chance, I think we should force him to play PG for his first year at least regardless of whether we end up with Azubuike. I understand that this restricts flexibility but we need to think of the future more than just for today. We have a chance to be the best in 2010 if we are well prepared.
When I watched that first Summer League game, the thing I noticed most about Gordon was the similarities between him and Baron Davis. They have wide shoulders, love to shoot from deep, can penetrate and run through screens, are be good rebounders (they both can leap) and are fast as hell. Obviously, Gordon is not Baron – but keep in mind Baron will be his mentor. Remember the effect John Stockholm had on Deron Williams? Baron can teach Gordon to be like him. This is an opportunity we can’t pass on if we are serious about the future. Baron gets injured too often and we need him or someone like him on the court at all times. Consistency is so important for a team like the Clippers (it decimated us last year).
I like what I saw of Eric Gordon, but at the SG position he will be a liability on defense. He tries for every steal and will kill the team if he plays this game with veteran shooters. At PG he has more flexibility to work on his natural skills relating to steals. He has lots of potential in this area. At PG he will be able to spread the defense (have you seen the depth on his three? wow) and post up smaller PG’s. We need a PG of the future (Liv didn’t do it) and I think we should see if Gordon will fill the role. He is very young and still learning the game. We can teach him to pass and run plays. He is better learning from Baron than staying in college. Plus Azubuike is better right now at SG and has played with Baron already. (Anthony Randolph just scored 16pts and 8 rebounds as a point-forward in Summer League – How many SF’s do they need?).
Finally, I believe that Kaman should be starting PF. He never seems to be able to get good position against centers and Camby has had much more success. Kaman likes to start his move far from the bucket and that better suits a PF. As long as his jumper improves it is worth a shot - one he never had while playing with EB. Plus Camby can mentor Jordan – they are also very similar and I would be delighted if Jordon became the next Camby. We should be thinking about 2010 and making sure our young talent is solid enough and consistent enough to become contenders or dare I even say Champions.
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I think it's a bit too early to tell.
Gordon is a natural scorer, and yes he will be undersized in the pros, but that doesn’t mean it won’t work. He’s still learning the game for himself (including defense), so frankly I am not even sure he knows what position he should play. This is where we have to trust mgmt to make the right call. I am pretty sure he will get minutes at both PG and SG this season and it may give us way more insight once we see it. Right now he has a shoot, shoot, shoot mentality, so obviously we don’t want that kind of PG. I am excited to see what he can do though, but I hope they don’t try and give him too many minutes this season, hopefully way less then Al got last year, but with injuries you never know.
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by Badd on Jul 22, 2008 9:44 AM PDT 0 recs
Gordon is a 2-guard
He makes up for his lack of height with his athletic ability and long arms.
He will have trouble developing NBA PG skills if he doesn’t have them already.
I’m sure he can handle 5 minutes per night at the PG, though. If Daniel Ewing could, he should.
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by mikey p on Jul 22, 2008 10:15 AM PDT 0 recs
Gordon is an Sg
Gordon is a shooter and will always be a shooter. And at that he may one of leagues best scorers eventually even though he is slightly undersized, he more than makes up for it in his speed and incredible strength. Also Kaman is more of a center then Camby is.
by bestclipfan on Jul 22, 2008 10:43 AM PDT 0 recs
Good effort
I’d say you’re making a nice try at the “all or nothing” approach to Gordon as a PG, but it’s a huge stretch. I’m not buying it, and I don’t know that anybody else is.
Gordon was drafted by the Clippers because he was the best pure SG available, and the best catch-and-shoot player, with the best 3 pt range. He was also the strongest and most athletic player.
But he wasn’t the best combo guard, or the best PG. Bayless and Augustin are both better at the PG position. You compare Gordon to Baron Davis, and there are lots of similarities. But Gordon simply doesn’t have the handle or dribble like a PG does. Baron always has had it—he’s been a PG from the beginning, played it in college and in the pros. Maybe Gordon’s high school experience as a PG should count for something, although we don’t know much about it. He doesn’t seem to have a PG mentality, and he has been going in the other direction, manufacturing points and making plays as an off-guard. There are a variety of high school PGs, and some primarily manufacture points on their own because they’re better than their competition and they can shoot. Westbrook averaged 29 pts a game in high school, but he had rudimentary PG skills when he came to UCLA and since he played a lot of SG he still has a lot of work to do. My guess is that Bayless and Gordon are similar players. Bayless may be more like Baron Davis, a better dribbler, but he’s not as strong as Davis and Gordon, and he doesn’t have as much of a PG mentality as Davis does.
The Clips had a real need for a great shooter, and Gordon is the guy. We’ll figure out the rest as we go along.
by citizen zhiv on Jul 22, 2008 11:13 AM PDT 0 recs
Please let me clarify...
Eric Gordon has been pegged as a SG but he insists that he prefers to play PG. Please refer to this interview for more information:
http://dimemag.com/2008/06/nba-draft-qa-eric-gordon/
That being said, I still believe that we need to think of the future. How will EG defend the ever taller SG’s such as Mike Miller? He is so young, we really need to guide him into the correct role for him in the NBA. The truth is that if Gordon is our SG of the future then we are probably in some trouble if we wish to make it to a championship. He is very similar in attitude as Barbosa and lets face it Barbosa is not a perfect PG but he is worse as a SG (as is Iverson). Without Nash hogging the minutes, Barbosa would probably be a better PG. Lets not let that happen with EG. He needs a role model and guidance at this early stage of his career. That does not mean we should try and force a square peg into a round hole, but we should at least try to see if it is a fit before we look at alternatives. I just can’t see Gordon as the SG of the future. I can, however, see him as the PG of the future. Either way, if our playoff hopes this year rely on a solid contribution from the youngest player on the team then i guess my hopes of playoffs this year are probably not going to be realized.
We need a true starting SG and a true backup SF in order to compete with the best. Azubuike will fill some of that need (if we get him), but we still need another solid player. I would rather EG be a backup PG then a third string SG. With Mobley secure in one of the slots (preferably backup), that would mean that EG will be forced to play starting SG minutes by the end of the year. I do not recommend this even though it makes sense for the team as is. We need to trade TT for a backup SF or hope that TT can fill this role (if he is healthy). Either way EG will probably get more time to play the PG this year and will get better as the season progresses. Please understand that I am not stating that EG should be the backup PG regardless of how he performs in this position. I am suggesting that we give him a year as backup PG and not confuse him by teaching him to be a SG. If the experiment works – then great. If not, he can try his hand as a SG next year – no harm done. If he seems to shine as a SG this year, we may never give him a chance to be a PG and his career will be set – we are then looking at having a 6’3” SG that will score but hurt us day in and out with his defense. If that is the case, we should probably trade him now, get max value for him and obtain a SG or SF that is tall enough to be a perimeter defender.
by citizen bob on Jul 22, 2008 3:54 PM PDT 0 recs
Defense
From what I have heard Gordon is actually a servicable defender against larger players. I believe that when Dunleavy drafted Gordon he even said they put him on a much larger player to see how he react and Dunleavy said he did very well. Gordon can think he is a PG all he wants but in truth he is SG even if a bit small, but I am sure Dunleavy would not have drafted if he thought his height would be a permanent problem for the team.
by bestclipfan on Jul 22, 2008 4:40 PM PDT 0 recs
As a Hoosier Fan
I was psyched the Clips drafted EG. I watched his hot start and the late season fade after the Kelvin Sampson fiasco. The whole IU team faded badly at the end of the year, not just Gordon. Barring major injuries, I expect him to develop into at best a sweet shooting scorer (a cross between Ray Allen and Dwyane Wade) and at worst a solid starter.
I was especially impressed by how well he stood up to difficult situations last year. He was especially good at shaking off bad starts and exploding for lots of points late in games. The game at Illinois was his most impressive effort (to me). EG backed out of a verbal commitment with Illinois to play for Sampson at IU, and the Illini’s whole game plan seemed to be about shutting EG down. They pressured him into a terrible 1 point first half in which he looked like a very sloppy, rattled rookie. But then he calmed down at half time, stopped forcing ill-advised shots and eventually led the Hoosiers to a thrilling 2OT victory.
That game reflects a lot of what I expect out of EG. He’s very young and didn’t even have a full year to learn from his head coach. I expect NBA defenders to frustrate him badly at times. As long as the Clips are playoff contenders, EG probably shouldn’t be more than a fringe rotation player for at least the first half of the year. But he’s going to be a special player in a couple years if he puts in the work and is developed properly. Think Monta Ellis’s career trajectory.
At no time last year did EG look like he could successfully run Indiana’s offense as the PG so I wouldn’t expect him to be successful PGing an NBA team this year. There are so many intricacies to playing Point Guard in the NBA that playing EG there is asking for him to fail. Maybe they can experiment with him for a few minutes in garbage time, but he should focus on learning how to fit his strengths (shooting and penetrating) into the Clippers’ offense and of course how to play solid defense. Once he’s comfortable with his strengths, he may be able to learn PG skills a la Monta.
by ClipCat on Jul 23, 2008 10:56 AM PDT 0 recs
Well put CC
I agree that there is a possibility he could learn a few PG skills as the years wear on or during garbage time. CC what did you think of his defense in college on players his size and players larger then him.
by bestclipfan on Jul 23, 2008 1:13 PM PDT 0 recs
His D didn't make a big impression
The Big 10 didn’t have much offense as a conference, and there wasn’t much future NBA talent last year. Gordon was the only 20 point scorer, and his teammate, DJ White, was #3 in the conference. I remember a lot of low scoring, grind it out games without many star quality matchups. Usually Gordon and White would outscore the other team with 3 point help from whoever else could heat up.
Gordon probably did guard bigger players because he played on such a height-challenged team. Indiana played a pretty unbalanced lineup – often four guards and White, but I don’t remember who he usually guarded. I think his D was at least average, and I don’t remember anyone lighting him up. But I wasn’t really watching him for his defense.
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Jul 23, 2008 3:01 PM PDT
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