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Artest to Houston and other news

The Rockets acquired Ron Artest from the Kings today for B.obbyJackson, Donte Greene, 1 million cash and a 1st round pick in 09.  Weird deal if you ask me but it will make Houston a formidable defensive team.   I think they could be a 3rd seed this year in the playoffs, maybe better if Yao and McGrady stay healthy.

The Bulls signed L. Deng to a six year deal worth between 71 and 81 million, depending on whether or not certain insentives are met.  Bulls look good for 08-09.

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Houston now has their own 3-party

Seeing that the celtics just won it all after assembling the “Boston 3 party”, Houston has made a very big step on their way to win it big as well. It seems that having an elite top 3 gets you at least somewhere in the playoffs. Yao, McGrady, and Artest each appear to bring a unique playing style to the court. The balance of offense and defense between these 3 is phenomenal. Great move for Houston.

by gopack83 on Jul 29, 2008 8:29 PM PDT   0 recs

The 3 great players is what you need in this league

The Lakers had Shaq-Kobe and were winning because that was the #1 SG and #1 C in the league. As long as the supporting cast was just good, they were gonna win championships. McGrady, Yao and Artest are each among the best at their respective positions. I think this immediately makes them the number one team in the West. Kobe is definitely better than McGrady, but McGrady is up there. Yao is better than Gasol and Artest is better than Odom in my opinion. Bynum is a wildcard, if he comes back healthy and continues to improve, and shows he can play alongside Gasol, the Lakers will still be the team to beat. But If the chemistry of this Rockets team works, they have all the pieces to win it all.

by DocD on Jul 29, 2008 8:51 PM PDT   0 recs

How did they do it

without having to take the Kenny Thomas albatros of a contract, that’s what I want to know. I thought Sacto was detrermined to include him in any deal.

by daclipjoint on Jul 29, 2008 9:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's what we thought too Da

I mean afterall apparently that was Petrie’s one requirement of a deal. Apparently not.

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by pookeyguru on Jul 30, 2008 8:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The third Laker star was Phil Jackson

Each championship team must have three stars…one can be a coach, though.

This really shakes things up now. Rockets will be pretty good. I’m sure they will sign Landry, plus they have Scola and Rafer Alston.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Jul 29, 2008 9:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good points, but

both Yao and TMac are injury prone. I could never put the Rockets as the number one team for that reason. They will be interesting and fun to watch no doubt.

by Jax on Jul 29, 2008 9:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Couldn't disagree more

I think this makes them a top three team in the West and I actually think they will finish 1st in the regular season because they are a truly elite defensive team. They were already a great team defensively and now they added a top 5 defender for 2 late 1st rounders. They almost finish number one last year with a one-legged Tmac and Yao missing most of the season after the all-star break. Plus they have 3 highly motivated star players in their prime trying to validate their respective careers.

Also, I doubt they will be fun to watch as they will be a very physical and punishing team. Battier, Tmac and Artest can all play the 2, 3 and 4 positions depending on matchup. Yao… is very tall. They have some excellent shooters on the bench, their only weakness is Alston can’t hang with the CP3, Deron Williams, Steve Nash, Baron Davis, Jason Kidd’s of the West. The Rockets should be thrilled, they just became legitimate title contenders for the next 3-4 years.

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by ClipperChuck on Jul 29, 2008 11:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We shall see

IMO the interplay between Yao, Artest and TMAC will be fun to watch, as is good defense.

If healthy, they will do well. That’s a big If.

by Jax on Jul 29, 2008 11:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

it sounds good..

that you can include a clipper PG in that group!

by DocD on Jul 30, 2008 9:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Great Move

It makes them a formidable team- if they can stay health

by HT on Jul 29, 2008 10:03 PM PDT   0 recs

Houston vs Lakers

Houston’s bench grew alot from last season when Yao went down. If you look at their role players; Scola, Landry, Rafer, et al. that Houston team with Rick Adelman is much better and deeper than the Lakers supporting cast. Phil gets alot out of very little though; as the likes of Luke and Sasha wouldn’t get much minutes on another team. Kupchak on the other hand, tends to get sentimental attachments to guys he drafted, even if they are stiffs. The only good move the Lakers made this off season was letting Turiaf go and not matching Golden State’s offer. Turiaf = second coming of Mark Madsen.

by MichaelCage on Jul 29, 2008 10:40 PM PDT   0 recs

Morey's the man

He’s way ahead of the curve. He’s essentially the Billy Beane of the NBA. The Rockets team on name recognition last year was crap after Yao went down and they still had that huge winning steak and played the Jazz pretty tough in the playoffs. Why? Because they get the extra possession players. The guys who dive for loose balls, create turnovers, take charges, make the extra pass, shoot the open shots. They had 2 guys who could create for others last year (Tmac and Yao), now they have 3 and that makes a huge difference.

They essentially lose 2 first rounders and one of their combo guards (BJax is solid, but they have Francis, Luther Head and Aaron Brooks on the bench already) for an all-nba defender in his prime, playing for his last big contract.

A team of Rafer Alston, Tmac, a ancient Mutombo, Scola and Battier won 22 games in a row (some with Yao), imagine what happens when they have Alston, Tmac, Yao, Scola and Artest starting with Battier backing up the wing positions. Teams are going to have a hard time cracking 85 points against that lineup.

Case in point. Lets compare them to the 2008 Champion Celtics.

Tmac/Pierce – Pretty even. Both guys set the table for their teams. Their H2H stats have been pretty comparable. Pierce wins the intangibles based off his past, but I think Tmac is in a similar situation as Pierce was coming into last season and that balances it out.
Alston/Rondo – Celtics have the edge as Rondo has alot of upsize. Still Alston does alot of things right, is a better shooter and is a serviceable PG.
Yao/Perkins – Huge victory for the Rockets here. Would get Perkins into foul trouble quickly and is simply too tall for him. Perkins isn’t quick enough to cause Yao any trouble.
Scola/KG – Big victory for the Celtics but not as big of a disparity as the aforementioned Yao-Perkins mismatch. Scola does alot of the little things. Still KG is a top 3 NBA player with the tone he sets on D.
Artest/Allen – I take Artest at this point in their careers. Allen came up big in spots (after disappearing in spots too) but he’s definitely not that player he was just a couple of years ago. Allen is more dependable and a better leader but I think Artest can shut him down while Allen couldn’t handle Artest’s brute strength.
Houston Bench – Zeke, Head, Battier, Brent Barry, Carl Landry
Boston Bench – Cassell, House, Posey, Powe, PJ Brown
Battier is a better version of Posey, Head is a younger, better version of House, Zeke is still as good as Brown, Landry and Powe are eerily similar, Barry is a vet like Cassell and a far superior shooter.

I think the similarities between the teams is pretty stark. The biggest difference is intangibles. The Celtics have KG’s fire and Pierce’s heart. If Artest can bring the fire I think we will finally find out if Tmac has heart or were all his naysayers right.

Congratulations Rockets, you’ve just joined the Spurs, Lakers and Celtics as legitimate title contenders.

Oh no! We suck again - Idiot from The Waterboy

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by ClipperChuck on Jul 29, 2008 11:28 PM PDT   1 recs

Actually that 22 win streak did have Yao for part of it

I believe he was part of the first 12 wins if I remember accurately.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 30, 2008 8:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess the Rockets have to hope

Yao didn’t kill his foot by participating in the Olympics when he could have been healing. We will see how this goes.

by bestclipfan on Jul 30, 2008 9:17 AM PDT   0 recs

They can probably rest him alot during games

They can play him less this year to avoid the wear and year. The Rockets can go small with Tmac, Alston, Scola, Artest and Battier and get away with it against almost every team in the league. They should treat Yao like how the Spurs do with Duncan and sneak some extra rest for him whenever possible.

Oh no! We suck again - Idiot from The Waterboy

http://ohnowesuckagain.ytmnd.com/

by ClipperChuck on Jul 30, 2008 11:45 AM PDT   0 recs

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