Trading Places
Listening to Ricky Davis during his radio appearances yesterday, I was struck by the stigma of being traded so frequently. Sure, he's stigmatized by other things as well, but the simple fact that he's been involved in five trades in 10 NBA seasons implies something about the guy. It doesn't take a math major to figure out that he's lasted less than 2 seasons per NBA stop, and in fact he's never been with one team for three full seasons (he was dealt at the trade deadline of his third seasons in Cleveland and Boston). So what's the deal? Does he wear out his welcome?
As always, it's not wise to make assumptions without looking closely at the specifics of the situation. It's obvious that Ricky has not been THE player his team has decided to build around - that goes without saying. So he's not Michael Jordan or Reggie Miller or Kobe Bryant, playing a decade or more for the team that drafted him. But NBA trades happen, and even Shaq has been traded - twice in the last four years. So don't just assume that 5 NBA coaches have decided to ship RD out of town just to be rid of him.
August 1, 2000 - After two promising seasons in Charlotte, Davis was included in a huge nine player trade between the Heat and the Hornets. Also in the deal were all-stars Eddie Jones, Anthony Mason and Jamaal Mashburn, not to mention Otis Thorpe and P.J. Brown. This was a big trade. I don't see how it necessarily reflects badly on RD - the best player in the trade, Mashburn, was going from the Heat to the Hornets. A promising 21 year old wing might have been the sweetener that got the deal done for the Hornets.
October 26, 2001 - After one season in Miami, he was sent to Cleveland in a three team trade. As it happens, his first season in Miami barely counted, as he was injured all year and played in only 7 games in that stint with the Heat. This trade was definitely about getting rid of players that teams didn't really want - also in the deal were Don MacLean (who was waived by the Raptors the next day), Brian Skinner and Chris Gatling. The key was apparently Gatling, a former all star whom the Heat must have coveted. He signed a 3/$8M contract the day of the trade, played 54 games in 2001 for the Heat, and was waived a year later with 2 seasons left on his contract. For what it's worth, Davis was by FAR the best player in that trade, and Cleveland must have been thrilled to get him.
December 15, 2003 - A year later, the Cavs were still happy with Davis, because they matched an offer sheet from the Timberwolves for 6/$35M to keep him. But 16 months after that, the thrill was gone. He was sent to Boston in another really big trade involving six players and a draft pick. Of course the Cavs had drafted a 19 year old named LeBron James six months earlier, and they may have decided that keeping their leading scorer from the past two seasons and paying him $6M per wasn't really in their interests. For the Cavs, this was all about rebuilding around LeBron - they got Eric Williams' expiring contract, a veteran big man in Tony Battie and a former lottery pick in Kedrick Brown. This was not a fire sale trade, but a calculated move by the Cavs to use Ricky Davis (now a proven NBA scorer) to help get some pieces to complement their young superstar.
January 26, 2006 - A little over two years later, RD was once again part of a blockbuster trade: this one involved the Timberwolves and the Celtics and included seven players and 3 draft picks. In the case of this trade, I think it was about the T-Wovles WANTING Ricky and being willing to give up all star Wally Szczerbiak and a future first rounder to get him. The Wolves saw that their window for winning with Kevin Garnett was closing, and Szczerbiak had clashed with KG. It's hard to believe at this point, but in Jan. 2006 the Wolves were just 18 months removed from an appearance in the Western Conference Finals - they had certainly not given up, and they thought that Davis might help re-invigorate the team. Obviously, it didn't really work out that way.
October 24, 2007 - So last off-season he was sent to Miami. This trade was eerily similar to the one from Boston to Minny. A team who had recently tasted significant success (in this case the 2006 Champion Heat) was looking more than a little old and stale and needed an infusion of talent. The Heat wanted rid of Antoine Walker, and was willing to send a first round pick to Minnesota to make it happen, and RD went to South Beach to team with Shaq and DWade in Riley's last ditch attempt to salvage that team. Once again, it didn't really work out.
I think that you can make an argument that, with the exception of 2001, each time Ricky Davis has been traded it was because the receiving team wanted him rather than because the trading team wanted rid of him. Besides, he's also simply been part of some real blockbusters, which can hardly be pinned on him alone. You don't put together seven, eight and nine player trades just because one guy is starting to get on your nerves.
So when you look at the specifics, I don't see how the simple fact that he has been traded five times is an indictment of Ricky Davis. It is what it is. It happened It is perhaps somewhat more disconcerting what has happened in his last two stops, where recently great teams sunk to the depths of the NBA shortly after his arrival. However, Minnesota's decline had begun before Ricky arrived in the Twin Cities, and he can hardly be held responsible for Miami's situation. He certainly was not the hero for either of those teams, but he wasn't the villain either.
The Clippers signed him at a very reasonable cost to be a backup small forward, not a savior. We'll see what happens next - maybe Ricky should rent - but for now, it's a good thing.
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My first reaction was to be pretty upset about him signing, but I’m warming to it more and more. As some have said, aquiring RD is definitely a gamble, but considering we were being slotted as a bubble team before picking him up, it makes sense if we want to contend for something more than just a playoff birth.
What we should all be thankful for this off-season, is that we haven’t taken on any bad contracts in response to Brand leaving. To me, all the Clipper moves this off-season have been uncharacteristically sound, and I can’t help but think this EB debacle has lit a fire into the organization and hopefully within the holdover players from last year, if not BD, Camby, and RD for other and related reasons.
by ghost_ride on Jul 31, 2008 12:07 PM PDT 0 recs
tyree ricardo is the truth
i cant understand how other people arent absolutely ecstatic about tyree ricardo coming to the clips. this guy is made to be a clipper! hes an incredible athlete and a lovable personality, and we only got him for 2.3 million!!!!! go to espn.com and just look at back-up guards/swingmen and u cant find anything that cheap unless its someone fresh out the d-league or memphis. this guy is a proven scorer and if you give him some shots hes gunna give u a legit average. if u wouldve asked me to trade FElton straight up for camby and ricky a few weeks ago i woulda be downer than a clown. WHAT DID ELTON EVER DO FOR US?? dont get me wrong, i loved him when he was a clipper and i just recently burned my 3 elton posters i had up in my room, but realistically, him leaving was perfect for the clippers… we’ve had roster space to fill in a couple of key holes and still have our big4 of kaman camby thornton and bdiddy. eltonjohn is gunna be crying when he realizes hes on a team with a big 3 of him igoudala and sammy dalembert (doesnt touch kaman 2.0) and andre miller demands a trade because louis williams is what the franchise deems the immediate future of the point guard position…
CLIPPERS WILL ALWAYS HAVE THE HOMIES! THATS WHAT THIS TEAM IS ALL ABOUT!
instead of sasha vujacic coming off the bench like the Gaykers, we have tyree ricardo davis… enough said
by althornton4president on Jul 31, 2008 12:47 PM PDT 0 recs
It looks like...
RD is always on the bad end of the trades, and ends up joining teams either already in the dumps, or quickly on their way. Finding a cheap backup 2/3 who can score 20 in a heartbeat off the bench is something right up MDsr’s alley (just think of Maggette coming off the bench in the playoffs in 05-06). He is a legit scorer, and will only open up the floor more for Kaveman. It sounds as if he has the right attitude, and with the way his contract is structured, the onus is on him to play well so he can paid more $$ in the future. I see this whole situation as a win-win. Plus, it’s one more guy who torches the Clips NOT playing for someone else. We could see a revival of RD’s career here in the next couple of years.
The best part about this whole thing is that if it works out, great! If not, then no big deal. The guy comes cheap, and the expectations are not that high, as opposed to all the other teams he was dealt to. I for one welcome RD to the new and improved Clipsnation.
BTW, for the record, Kobe was NOT drafted by the Fakers. He was drafted by the Hornets, and then traded for Vlade Divac (an presumably a carton of cigarettes as well). Going into the draft, Kobe told all interested teams that he would ONLY play for the Lakers, even though he was coming straight out of high school. It’s this type of arrogance that fuels my hatred of him…along with all these other primadonas who DEMAND that they play for certain teams (or NOT for certain teams) ala John Elway, Eli Manning, etc. ...but I digress.
by Clip Show on Jul 31, 2008 1:20 PM PDT 0 recs
How could I
forget the most obvious example?!!! Shame on me…:(
by Clip Show on
Jul 31, 2008 1:30 PM PDT
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Good luck.
Just warn all of your female fans that he will ask for their numbers during time outs if they sit anywhere near the bench. Also be prepared for random and awkward appearances all over the place. I remember what it was like when the Wolves brought him in. It was kind of exciting: “There’s that guy who made a few nice dunks a while back. He’s a nice defender and he can be a perfect 3rd scorer.” It turns out not so much. Again, good luck.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 31, 2008 2:06 PM PDT 0 recs
Expectations are pretty low
The Clippers don’t want him to be the third scorer. Davis, Kaman and Thornton are pretty clearly going to be the top three options. But it would be nice if he can challenge Mobley and Thomas for fourth scorer honors, and he’ll be the number one option off the bench, unless Eric Gordon develops more quickly than expected.
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by ClipperSteve on
Jul 31, 2008 2:35 PM PDT
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you're right
as long as you are expecting a second or third option, or first off the bench, he should be great. let’s see if he’s motivated on d.
by tkired on Jul 31, 2008 2:57 PM PDT 0 recs
Ricky as a 4th scorer?
Again, good luck with the guy :)
This is the same fella who said that there was a Big Three in Miami with Shaq, Wade, and himself. He should be great. That’s the best way to put it.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 1, 2008 5:22 AM PDT 0 recs
I'll take it
Seriously, at $2.3M, I’ll take should be great. Of course, we’ve already got one of those in Tim Thomas (who costs more) and it could be a disaster. I get it. But it’s just not a big investment.
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by ClipperSteve on
Aug 1, 2008 7:59 AM PDT
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You're probably right...
...but after having him up here in Minny, I still have a “he’s not worth $5” take on the guy. The guy was an absolute cancer in the lineup/locker room and between how he played off of Foye and McCants and Dwayne Casey, I would have traded him for a toaster. I hope it works out for you guys this year. Y’all got screwed by Brand and I hope that you can find a way into the playoffs again.
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by Stop-n-Pop on
Aug 1, 2008 8:15 AM PDT
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Baron Davis
I still think that Baron Davis makes the difference.. All of those teams listed did not have a Baron Davis type personality in their locker rooms
by CLiPPz WeRD 42 on
Aug 1, 2008 12:21 PM PDT
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Cavs Davis Trade
ClipperSteve,
Nice piece as always. Although always enjoy reading your take on whatever is going on in the Clippers world.
One thing I will disagree with you on here though is your saying that the trade that sent Davis from Cleveland to Boston was not designed to unload Ricky. As someone who grew up going to Cavs games (although I attend MIZZOU I am originally from NW PA), the talk of the town at the time was that the Cavs could not afford to keep Davis on the same team as LeBron. The Cavs were scared to death of what the influence of Davis could do to LeBron. In Cleveland, Davis was a hot rod showboat who didn’t give a damn about his teammates or winning.
I sure hope things have changed now that he is playing for our Clippers.
by mvnclipper on Aug 2, 2008 1:32 PM PDT 0 recs
corrections
Wow. I don’t know what I was doing when I wrote that comment.
The second sentence should say “I” instead of “Although.” the first sentence of the second graph should not include the word “here.”
by mvnclipper on
Aug 2, 2008 1:34 PM PDT
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Corrections...
Dude, aren’t you like in Journalism school or something now? All these missing and wrong words – not a good sign.
I’ll accept your premise, since I certainly wasn’t paying a lot of attention when it happened. Actually, I didn’t say it WASN’T about unloading Ricky. I said it WAS about rebuilding around LeBron, and those two things happen to be quite compatible, since RD and LBJ play the same position and they both need the ball. But I won’t argue that they wanted to get rid of Ricky too.
BTW, I was just accepted into MIZZOU’s Online Masters program in Journalism. I’ll see you around the (cyber) quad.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by ClipperSteve on
Aug 2, 2008 8:36 PM PDT
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new ricky davis jersey pending...
please people, clippersteve included, help me decide what to put on the back of my #31 customized authentic jersey im about to order… should it just be “Davis”? Or should I go with “R.Davis” (cuz of Baron.. as possibly Paul Wall), or even, “T.R.Davis”?
PLEASE RESPOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by althornton4president on Aug 4, 2008 11:17 PM PDT 0 recs





