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When Elton Brand exercised his early termination option and became a free agent last Monday night, both he and his agent David Falk had plenty to say.  It would give the Clippers flexibility to sign another player, they said.  EB wanted to emulate what had happened in Boston, where three stars sublimated their individual desires for a team goal, they said.  He would commit to the Clippers, if they would commit to winning, they said.

Since that time, neither Brand nor Falk has made a single statement on the record.  Not when Baron Davis verbally committed to the Clippers (seemingly fulfilling both the 'flexibility under the cap' and 'commitment to winning' concepts in Brand's ETO decision).  Not when Golden State began courting him with a big money offer.  And not now, as Philadelphia also pursues him.  It's been over a week since Elton Brand last spoke to anyone on the record.

Which leaves everyone guessing.  He's the biggest free agent of the summer and by far the biggest who is officially undecided.  No one else - not Josh Smith, not Corey Maggette, not really even Baron Davis for that matter - can make a decision until Elton Brand moves first.  So naturally Elton is the center of the free agent universe.  Every basketball writer has to focus on him, because so much depends on his decision.

But what do you write when EB doesn't return your calls?  You write what you can.  Jonathan Abrams has tried to cover the current situation as thoroughly as possible in an evolving article on the LA Times website now.  It lays out where we are, and detailing the offer that the Sixers are supposedly structuring for Brand.  At least we know they are clearing cap space by getting rid of the contracts of Calvin Booth and Rodney Carney for a trade exception.  They could be doing it to make a big offer to Josh Smith.

Hysteria seems to have gripped the citizens of ClipsNation full force.  He's selling his house!  Oh my!  (Of course, he listed it June 5, so the timing is not exactly tied to any offers from the Warriors or Sixers.)  Baron Davis told Dan Patrick he's going to be a Warrior!  (Yeah, he told him that before he changed his mind and agreed to a deal with the Clippers.)  And now there are 90-some comments on the last post I wrote about Brand.

Look, we don't have any more information from Elton today than we did last Monday night.  It's a little nerve-wracking, I'll grant you that.  But we suspected most of this would happen from the start, didn't we?  We suspected Philly would try to get in the game.  We suspected (after the first day or so), that Elton would take his time and listen to everyone, if only to do his due diligence.  Did Philly shed contracts in order to squeeze out a bigger offer to EB because of 'smoke signals coming from Brand's teepee' as John Hollinger so politically incorrectly put it?  Maybe, maybe not.  Remember, they've got their sights set on Josh Smith too, and a bigger offer there is just as relevant as a bigger offer to Brand.  They'll offer the money to Brand first for two reasons - one, he's better.  But more importantly, he's unrestricted and can answer with a simple 'yes' or 'no'.  With Smith, if they make the offer and he accepts it, Atlanta has 7 days to match, which could tie up Philly's money for 7 days.  So an offer to Smith precludes an offer to Brand.  So you go after Brand first, whether or not it's a long shot.

The idea that the Sixers have a more exciting team for Brand to join just doesn't ring true.  Andre Miller?  EB's been there and done that, and even if he thought Andre was a great piece of the puzzle there, this is pretty clearly his last season in Philly.  So I hardly see Miller as a big draw.  Does Elton want to get into the Eastern Conference where he can make the all star team and the playoffs without breaking a sweat?  Maybe.  But I fail to see the Sixers as having a more promising future than the Clippers with Baron Davis.

It's particularly interesting how much disagreement there is out there over exactly how things can happen.  After maintaining for days that the Clippers did not have to renounce their rights to Brand in order to sign Davis, and then seemingly getting verification from Tim Kawakami and Larry Coon, Abrams is back insisting that indeed the Clippers DO have to renounce Brand:

Contrary to other reports, the Clippers cannot offer Brand a sixth year in their offer, according to an NBA source who is not authorized to speak about player issues. In order for the Clippers to create enough salary cap space to land Davis the team had to renounce their rights to Brand, thus forfeiting the possibility of tacking on another year, leaving it with the hope of re-signing Brand to a maximum of five years.

I'm not saying I'm right and he's wrong.  The CBA is ridiculously complex, and there are myriad things about it that I do not fully understand.  I am saying that based on my understanding of it, the Clippers do NOT have to renounce their rights to Brand.  (More important than the 6th year may be the 10% raises.)  Time will tell exactly who is correct on this one.

There's also the question of the 'no trade clause' raised by Marc Stein.  Whether it's a major chip or not would seem open to debate, but the Clippers are the only team who can offer it.  Earlier today, Abrams was reporting that they would not include the 'no trade clause' in their offer, but as of now there is no mention of no trade clauses in Abrams story.

The moratorium is lifted tonight at 9 PM.  I doubt that things will start flying they way they did June 30th at 9:01 PM, but things should heat up tomorrow.  Until then, relax, go to yoga class, have a nice dinner.  We'll know when we know.

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Like everthing else in life ...

it’s hurry up and wait. If we lose EB to the 6er’s, what are odd that BD stays a Clipper?

by daclipjoint on Jul 8, 2008 5:29 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Relax? What fun would that be?

This “hysteria” is certainly good for business around here. (I thought you of all people would appreciate my “Brand is selling his house” fanpost).

Anyhow, no matter what EB does, there are other directions the Clips can go, although it would certainly confirm the incompetence of the front office. This is obviously why Maggette is holding out. And this is probably smart business by Brand.

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2008 5:30 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Clipper's Front Office

certainly does not instill a great deal of confidence in the Clipper Nation,at least not in my mind. Having been a fan since ‘87, I am beginning to think that unless and until the Donald sells the franchise, we Clipper fans will continued to be doomed to a life of frustration due to missed opportunities. Maggette for AI comes to mind. Anyway, whatever happens I will continue to be a Clipper fan, but a continually frustrated one.

by daclipjoint on Jul 8, 2008 5:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How does Brand not being in LA not affect Baron Davis?

This story stinks worse than Denmark does.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 8, 2008 5:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some questions

First off one point I would have about the Clippers is how they couldn’t make an offer to Brand and not keep his Bird Rights.

Let’s play the Numbers game. Let’s say the Salary Cap is set at 58 million. Let’s say that the Clippers have about 32 million committed in salary. To keep EB’s Bird Rights he would have to not be renounced. That would also mean he’s eating up cap room. So if he’s counting roughly against the cap about 16 million let’s say the Clippers really have 52 million in committed salary. That means they only can offer 7 million to BD without renouncing Brand in the first place. Ah, but then the fun continues. How much does Brand count exactly against the cap without renouncing him? That’s the true question, because once that is answered, you will know how much you can offer BD.

One question I have is if Baron Davis wanted to be a Warrior why exercise the ETO? If he didnt’ want to be in LA he wouldn’t have made the play the way he did. He realized that cap room could be created with Brand and Maggette on the cap. Timing is everything in Free Agency, and once again, the Clippers are the players in this deal. They hold the keyes, and Brand is the lock. If Brand is opened with a Clippers chain around his neck, then it’s almost certain they’ve committed the coup of the decade considering where they were at coming into summer, and given how little room anyone else had coming into this summer.

I really think alot of the stories that are being circulated are being done out of spite because everybody is leaning on these guys to write as if they are in the know and to make the Brand deal look much closer to being consumated somewhere else other than with the Clippers than it really is. After all, it doesn’t really hurt Brand financially to go with the Sixers, but keep in mind, if the Sixers are going to re-sign Iguoadala and retain his Early-Bird rights, then he’s eating up cap room for Philly the same way Brand is eating up some of the Clipps cap room. The only question is how much. The reason writers don’t know this, is because it doesn’t fit into the conspiracy theories they spin. The media is as full of crap as I am, but the difference is, I have no stakes in whether Brand gets 70 80 85 or 90 million dollars from anybody. That’s not necessarily true of writers like Stein, or Worjanowski if they so badly imsread how Brand singlehandly swung the market to the Clippers with his opting out.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 8, 2008 5:36 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The only way my story doesn't ring true

is if the whole manipulation included some kind of deal that includes Andre Miller being moved for Baron Davis. That would make some sense with Brand signing in Philly.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 8, 2008 5:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So now go after a Restricted FA

Josh Smith and Emeka Okafor come to mind.

by OhMeOhMy on Jul 8, 2008 5:39 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

An NBA Source

Call me old school, but I don’t think that Abrams would put this up on the LA Times if he wasn’t sure it was happening.

I’m stunned, and not really ready to break down the rest of the consequences.

It’s easy to blame Clipper negotiating, of course, but right now I’m just disappointed in Brand for not making it work.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2008 5:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The rest of the consequences

Maggette? Josh Smith?

This is really a back breaker. I tend to side with the player a lot of the time, so I will give EB the benefit of the doubt. He has to provide for his family. We as fans pay his salary, but he doesn’t really owe us anything. I wonder if the Clippers tried to low-ball him, or if he truly wanted to go back East.

I appreciate his service to the club. He was a joy to watch. Time to get busy.

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2008 5:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I’m still numb with dissapointment, but I refuse to turn into those ugly GSW fans who ranted and raved against Davis. Elton, thanks for the memories, good luck to you.

Now let’s land Josh Smith.

by OhMeOhMy on Jul 8, 2008 5:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not going to rant and rave

Well, maybe I will, at some point. But I’m not ready to thank Brand for his service just yet, and I’m certainly not about to wish him luck right now.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2008 6:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Money

It doesn’t appear to be about the money. Abrams said the deal w/ Phi is in the $80M range, and that the Clips had upped their offer to $80M. We need more information, this just doesn’t make ANY sense at all.

by supac on Jul 8, 2008 6:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm going the other way, MP

I’m not siding with the player here. Making the deal with Davis changed the terms. Brand and Falk have some explaining to do.

To the rest of the world, which is oddly invested in the Clippers’ futility and failure, this will make sense, and the Clippers will be readily dismissed. This is just another blow for a franchise that takes it on the chin on a regular basis. But for us fans, who not only care but also know, this is just mind-boggling. The Clippers aren’t doormats, they’ve done the hard work, they have good players and have made good decisions and they deserve some success.

And then their marquee player turns on them after they go out and specifically accomplish just want he’s asked of them.

Plaschke wrote that the Clippers deserve better, and he was right.

I think that Clipper Steve and some of us will be writing our own letters to the Times, and at this moment I don’t see them as being favorable to Elton Brand.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2008 6:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Understandable

The agent played a part, too. I think EB maybe just wanted out. The Clippers called his bluff by getting Davis. Maybe.

So far, Abrams is the only guy reporting this, and he didn’t get it from EB, so there is a small chance that he ran with some bad info.

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2008 6:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also...

I don’t think EB is the kind of guy to back stab. Therefore, I am led to believe that the Clippers tried to cheap him somehow.

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2008 6:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

thats some shrewed poker playing by the clipps. they’ve got their opponent right where they want them.

by PippenAintEasy on Jul 8, 2008 9:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

I will be BOOING loudly upon his return, barring a legitimate explanation.

by supac on Jul 8, 2008 6:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Money

WE offered Brand the same amount. The clippers renounced some their players to match the contract. So there was two 5 year 80 million contracts on the table.

This sux

by Qlippers on Jul 8, 2008 6:03 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marc Stein update

Not completely conclusive, but about as close as it gets.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2008 6:14 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bye bye corey, 50 mil to gs

by cliprboy on Jul 8, 2008 6:17 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Smith doesn't make sense

He’s talented, but not a perfect fit and the Clips don’t need to tie up their money for 7 days for a player that they might very well not get.

He’s more of an SF than a PF, isn’t he, and there’s some duplication with Thornton.

I think the Clips should look around for a center, as I suggest below.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2008 6:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Center?

They have one. I am not watching Tim Thomas and Josh Powell play PF all year again.

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2008 6:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Artest could do it in the interim

Although I’m not sure how that’s attractive to the Clippers.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 8, 2008 6:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You again?

Sure, maybe they will try that now.

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2008 6:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I never left

In case you hadn’t noticed, there isn’t much else going on this summer than where Elton Brand is going. You all seem to be the best source, so I’m watching it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 8, 2008 6:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kaman is the new Brand

This is the centerpiece of my developing response. Kaman is athletic and skilled. We’ve already seen what happens when he goes out there alongside Tim Thomas and Josh Powell. I think Kaman is now the best bet that the Clippers have for plugging the hole at Power Forward. He just became a poor man’s Tim Duncan, KG, EB, Boozer, go down the list. The Clippers have a decent set of backup PFs. If they can get a credible starting center, they might be okay. At least it would be different. I think Kaman has the athleticism to do it.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2008 7:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure - Kaman is the new EB

They should reconsider the wisdom of spending the money on BD and start rebuilding immediately. Should have taken the Beasley deal when they had the chance.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2008 9:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not the Max-Max

but the max that they were going to give EB. I think he is a good fit. Plays an exciting brand (no pun) of ball.

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2008 6:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's for CS when he gets back from dinner

But my first gut reaction is to sit on as much money as possible right now. Look for the windows where you can get a quality player by just beating out the mid-level offer he is otherwise receiving.

Look for stuff in the margins. Be smart.

by John R on Jul 8, 2008 6:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who is out there?

I don’t think there are any great mid-level bargains.

But you are right. Don’t panic. (The Clippers will, anyway.)

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2008 6:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Start at the restricteds

If nothing else, the Clippers could have some fun going around and blowing up every other team’s budget.

Hell, why not offer Iggy the money right now? It would become their new cap figure…

by John R on Jul 8, 2008 6:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What if he takes it?

I agree with you. It is time to be creative. Find a player you covet and work a sign and trade with a free agent out there.

Get bargains, a la Spurs/Red Sox/Patriots. (Though I think Josh Smith would be fun)

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2008 6:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Having Cap Space

Also means you can take on a player’s contract in a trade without giving a player up. Or you can even make an uneven money deal. Example: Zach Randolph for Tim Thomas. Randolph makes 13.7 million and 6.2 million. With the Clipps cap room they can do that deal. I’m not saying it’s a deal the Clipps should or would do. Just an example that I thought of would make sense, but rejected on the basis that Randolph is a complete turd.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 8, 2008 6:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha

Beat me by 1 second.

by John R on Jul 8, 2008 6:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it possible to be a Clipps fan without being sober?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 8, 2008 6:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

They just let EB slip through their fingers.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2008 9:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you okay jax?

tough day. Seems like EB just wanted to get out, get away from the mess. Wish he had just stepped up to it in the first place. Hard for me to see how management did anything that was so wrong, but I’m sure you’ll take a different view.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2008 10:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm worried about you Zhiv

Perhaps it’s time to start looking at the Clippers realistically. EB’s decision shouldn’t have been a surprise to the Clippers. He left because he didn’t want to play for a poorly managed, poorly coached team. If you want the EB’s of the world to play for your team, do what is necessary to get that done.

by Jax on Jul 9, 2008 12:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As a matter of fact

The organization did what was necessary to keep him. He claimed he wanted to see the front office get someone, and they got Baron Davis. If Brand left because he simply lost hope on Dunleavy and Baylor, he should have said so from the start instead of providing this flase hope knowing full well he wanetd to be gone. Put it this way, his upfront honesty would have been reason enough to take Beasley and Marion, a trade you had extolled going into the draft.

Well, it turns out you were right. We should have pulled the trade (don’t give up the 7th though, remember?).

The reality is, Brand wanted to leave and he did. It may very well be because of Dunleavy and Baylor, but right now it’s Brand’s actions for which I take umbrage, not the organization.

by OhMeOhMy on Jul 9, 2008 12:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I suggest

that we reserve judgment until we find out =what happened

by Jax on Jul 9, 2008 1:04 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We know what happened

But it doesnt fit your worldview so you can’t accept it.

Brand lied.

by John R on Jul 9, 2008 9:22 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Iggy is better than Smith

It’s at least less of a disaster. But its not up to him to take it. Its up to the Sixers to match or not. Thornton becomes the 4.

They Clippers could also just be traded a player straight up for a trade exemption now.

Just don’t panic Clippers.

by John R on Jul 8, 2008 6:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Josh Smith is very overrated in my opinion

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 8, 2008 6:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why do u guys think josh smith is the answer?

by cliprboy on Jul 8, 2008 6:29 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NBA

It’s FANtastic.

by supac on Jul 8, 2008 6:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

-- and all I've got is this stupid 'In EB We Trust' shirt

Sorry I messed up and posted w/o the tag. But, seriously, steve et al, are we gonna have a bonfire?

by pipedreams on Jul 8, 2008 6:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's say Brand returns to LA

Is all forgiven amongst the Clipper faithful assuming Davis does come?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 8, 2008 6:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dont understand

But any bad thoughts about EB, any at all, are predicated on him not being true to his word and leaving despite all things being equal.

by John R on Jul 8, 2008 6:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

That’s what I’m getting at. There’s something not being said, and I’m willing to bet Baron Davis is the one saying it. Maybe some of this is mis-direction on Falk’s part to avoid talks of tampering with the Clippers by pulling this Sixers “charade” assuming that’s what it is. It’s hard to say at this point. When the dust settles is when I’ll know for sure where Brand is. Can’t be any fun to be a Clippers fan right now though with so much hanging in the balance. (Understatement of my entire lifetime I realize.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 8, 2008 6:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mistakes happen

But you’re probably right. I didn’t say that fully 100% believing EB would return to the Clipps automatically Mikey.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 8, 2008 6:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brightside

Perhaps DeAndre gets a roster spot now and develops quickly. Gets comfortable and more minutes as the season goes along. Starts assassinating the L next year a la Dwight Howie. Ends Brand’s career somehow. I dunno…

Club Optimism is quite barren right now.

by supac on Jul 8, 2008 6:58 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Time for Steve's BFGC?

Paging Sofokils Schortsat - paging Slofokis Shorstan - hey, fat boy, get over here!

by pipedreams on Jul 8, 2008 6:58 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

another good one

doing very well in the crisis, pipedreams

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2008 7:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice timing, ClipperSteve

I post a ‘relax’ piece at 5:18, the Times says he’s gone at 5:30.

I have no idea what to make of this. If what we’re seeing is correct, he left for the same money. It certainly doesn’t make him look quite like the choir boy we thought he was.

The Clippers! The (second) Best NBA Team in LA!

by Steve Perrin on Jul 8, 2008 7:00 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does seem a little classless, especially for EB

that’s why I think the Clips somehow fumbled this thing. I was afraid they would try to nickel and dime him.

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2008 7:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

take a few deep breaths, CS

You’re only 15 minutes into the new era. A lot of us are in our second hour already. It’s not getting any better.

And the new era is a lot like the old era we just went through, when Tim Thomas was the starting PF. But we do have a point guard.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2008 7:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is Baron Davis a guarantee without Brand??

Didn’t he sign in LA with the promise of Brand being there? What if Brand isn’t there? Can’t Baron Davis renege on his deal too?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 8, 2008 7:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure

It’s a verbal deal only. But nobody else really has money now, unless a sign & trade is worked.

Wouldn’t surprise me at this point.

by mikey p on Jul 8, 2008 7:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would it really be shocking to see the Dubs make a play for Andre Miller?

I mean afterall he does got a house in El Dorado Hills. I don’t know. This whole whirlwind thing is a bit suspicious to me.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 8, 2008 7:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's never over till it is sir

Something told me there was a strong possibility this stuff was a ruse.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jul 8, 2008 7:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Say I am in denial...

I will believe this story when the NBA publishes it. For all we know it could be misinformation. I will believe it when Brand signs on the dotted line but until then we will see what happens.

by bestclipfan on Jul 8, 2008 7:04 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Say I am in denial...

I will believe this story when the NBA publishes it. For all we know it could be misinformation. I will believe it when Brand signs on the dotted line but until then we will see what happens.

by bestclipfan on Jul 8, 2008 7:05 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm

Season ticket returns are going to hurt. At least I saved myself some paperwork there.

by John R on Jul 8, 2008 7:06 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cool

Thanks for the reminder, I’ll be getting a $28k refund.

by supac on Jul 8, 2008 7:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clipper Steve in ClipsNation Central

I don’t envy our fearless leader right now. His hopes were as high as any of ours.

And then there’s Milph. Not really Mike Smith, but this is a sad day for Ralph Lawler.

Time to check on ClipperBlog, get some alcohol, and return to the devastated Nation in a while.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2008 7:29 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Elton is 70-30 on clippers

“Another source had described Brand as leaning “70-30” in favor of going to the Sixers and didn’t rule out the possibility that the Clippers could still increase their five-year offer beyond the latest estimate of roughly $75 million. The Clippers are also the only team in the running with the ability to offer a no-trade clause to Brand, something that only one other player in the league - Staples Center co-tenant Kobe Bryant - has in his contract.” according to ESPN

by bestclipfan on Jul 8, 2008 7:34 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clips front office needs to be fired

Like most of Clips Nation, I was refreshing my browser every 10 min for updates to this story during the workday. Completely shell-shocked. There’s only one solution: Fire Baylor and VP Andy Roessur. This is a front office that in recent memory had nixed deals for Iverson, Beno Udrih and Jason Terry while letting two of the most productive players in franchise history leave for nothing. Say what you want about Terry and Udrih, but at the time last summer when Dunleavy wanted to pursue them, they would have helped the Clips tremendously. DTS has shown a willingness to pay for players, what he hasn’t done is fire the lame front office. Baylor has been the Clips GM for more than 20 years….why he hasn’t been shown the door is beyond me.
Dunleavy was supposed to be the outsider brought in to shake things up and make the Clips a winning franchise. Unfortunately, his efforts have been derailed by the Clips front office.
I don’t think anyone in Clips Nation can “trust” this front office again until Baylor and/or Andy Rosseur is gone. The 11th hour is no time to play hardball with Elton Brand.

I love LAC.

by oasisman on Jul 8, 2008 8:11 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, they need to rebuild, starting with management

Of course, we could do the panic buys some on this board are advocating. Not a smart move. Wnich is why they will probably do that.

by Jax on Jul 8, 2008 9:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Svengali agent?

Okay, for those who like this sort of thing—Falk still hates the Clips. He engineered this whole thing, helping to give us the high so the low would be so low, and worked hard behind the scenes to move his guy to Philly. EB is just his pawn.
“Shahara, Mom, pack your stuff, we’re moving to Philadelphia! My agent says they’ve got a real chance for a title, and he says Philadelphia is the ‘New Hollywood!’ They even do some exterior shots for ‘Cold Case’ there! And ‘Rocky,’ and ‘Rocky II,’ and all them! David says they’ve even got a marina, kind of, there. And snow!”

by pipedreams on Jul 8, 2008 8:22 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks pipdreams.

i really needed a laugh.

by OhMeOhMy on Jul 8, 2008 8:32 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Still no Clipper Steve

Just one short comment.

We need a new lead post, but there’s no hurry.

by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2008 9:07 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it finally

dawned on me while at our nightly family stroll…all that braggin to the Lakers fans at work! Talk about a kick in the nuts!...I am going to bed…can’t wait for CS’ Brand-gate post tomorrow morning…

by Lawler's Law on Jul 8, 2008 10:17 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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