Um, yeah... see, here's the thing... I don't get it
I really, really don't get this.
All the talk about opting out to give the Clippers flexibility, all the talk about wanting to turn the Clippers around, all the talk about not being a quitter. Seems like that was talk.
The report on Yahoo that the Clippers pissed Brand off by playing giving him a take it or leave it offer is very disturbing. The Clippers were in a perfect position to give Brand whatever he wanted here. If it's me sitting across the table from him, here's how the conversation goes. "Elton, what do you want? Do you want more money? OK, whom should we trade away to free up more money for you? You said you wanted to play with Baron Davis, and we got him, but we'll get rid of him and give you more money if that's what you want. You play GM of the Clippers, Elton. And you're first priority is to make you happy. We thought that less money and more winning was the way you wanted to go, and that's why we now have Baron Davis. But you play GM. Sign yourself and whoever else you can, and let us know when it's done."
Mark Heisler's column is referencing a 10 YEAR OLD grudge that David Falk holds against the Clippers from the 1998 draft when they took Michael Olowokandi instead of Falk's client Mike Bibby (as it the Clippers haven't been punished enough for that one). Heisler says that the last Clipper offer never even made it to Elton - Falk stopped relaying them. Here's the thing about that - didn't the Clippers just release Falk's Sam Cassell last February? This guy remembers something that happened 10 years ago, but forgets what happened 4 months ago?
As for what the Clippers do now, my immediate reaction is sit on the money. I don't see anyone out there worth going after. The idea of another season of Tim Thomas, starting power forward, is almost too much to bear, but what's the alternative? I just don't think overpaying Josh Smith (and they would have to overpay, almost by definition, to make an offer the Hawks won't match) is the answer. So sit on the money, use the Mobley and Thomas contracts wisely, and in the worst case you suck for two more seasons and make a run at Chris Bosh in 2010. He's a media savvy guy. Maybe he'd like to make videos in LA as opposed to Toronto.
By the way, you think you feel bad? You think this comes as a blow to you? What about Baron Davis? Or Chris Kaman for that matter? Kaman thought he was FINALLY going to be playing next to Brand again on the Clippers front line. Now he finds out it's never going to happen.
I can't help but think back to the game against the Kings in April 2007 when the Clippers still controlled their 2007 playoff destiny. After the game Elton was steaming. He said that some guys didn't know what it took to win, that some guys quit, and that it was tough to take. Since that time, in 15 months, Elton Brand has played a total of 9 completely meaningless games in a Clippers uniform, and now he'll never play for the Clippers again. Yeah, I guess he's right. Some guys quit, and it is tough to take.
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we're allowed to feel bad
because we don’t make 65 mil.
by bonkrood on Jul 8, 2008 11:07 PM PDT 0 recs
Heisler and Adande
Both checking in. Adande ends in classic fashion: “they’re the Clippers.” Heisler talks about the troubles and chaos of the last year. But what team wouldn’t be in turmoil when their best player is hurt over the summer and misses the season?
We don’t get what happened. But nobody gets our sense of betrayal, frustration, and pain.
Adande does show some sympathy, and he also says to us, if you feel bad, how does Baron Davis feel? How does Chris Kaman feel?
Heisler at least proposes a theory, not just the idea that Falk holds a meaningless old grudge. The theory is that ever since the Clippers matched the Heat’s RFA offer, Brand has been in a sort of servitude. That one is worth pondering.
But none of it is going to get us very far. Clipper Steve doesn’t get it. There’s only one thing to get: Elton Brand is a creep. He duped Corey Maggette, the best man at his wedding, as part of his bluff. He double duped Baron Davis, who left 17 million on the table at GSW to come and play with him in LA. And then he duped the Clippers, when they called his bluff and he realized that you could talk about the Celtics and wanting to win all day, but Garnett, Pierce, and Allen never took an actual paycut to make it happen.
Heisler says that “For those who know Brand, questioning his sincerity is like refusing to stand for “The Star-Spangled Banner.” And then he mentions that you occasionally see flashes of another Brand, who tells you what you want to hear.
So now we know. Brand is insincere.
by citizen zhiv on Jul 8, 2008 11:43 PM PDT 0 recs
Brand makes Boozer look like a saint
I was dismissing the Brand to the 76ers rumors because he opted out and offered to take less money to bring in Baron Davis. How could Brand just up and jump to Philly for a little more cash? It did not make sense.
Now that he is going to Philly I think this is actually worse than what Carlos Boozer did to Cleveland. Boozer opted out so Cleveland could sign him to a raise, but one at below market value. When Utah stepped in with more money and a seemingly better situation it made sense to leave. Brand said pay me less money so we can sign Baron Davis, then after the team does it he decides he wants to leave.
I think it is inexcuseable. I really do and I am sorry that after a week of thinking you guys were on an upswing that the rug has been pulled out from under you.
It just isn’t right.
by Jeremy on Jul 8, 2008 11:54 PM PDT 0 recs
Actually to be fair....
Brand could have opted out and signed with any team he wanted. He probably didn’t figure there would be a bidding war for a undersized PF coming off a serious injury. Now he locked in a max deal.
That said it was BS that he essentially faciliated the Davis signing and then took off. Now we signed a big contract to a guy in his prime while the rest of the team is still realizing their potential.
by ClipperChuck on
Jul 9, 2008 1:24 AM PDT
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Re: Actually to be fair...
The opting out and signing with another team is certainly within Brand’s rights as an NBA player, but as others have pointed out here the fact that he he opted out at the last minute, claimed he was willing to take less money to help bring in more talent and the team brought in more talent in the person of Baron Davis only to watch EB bolt for more money is very disappointing. Now the Clippers have agreed to give Baron Davis five years and $60-$65 million dollars and he is no longer a good fit for the team even before he signs the contract.
by Jeremy on
Jul 9, 2008 8:20 AM PDT
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Nonsense
He is still a great fit. The team needed a PG. They still have other talent, and now they have money.
by mikey p on
Jul 9, 2008 8:31 AM PDT
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Finding a point guard is not the same as finding the right point guard
Baron is a me first player who will stunt the growth of the younger Clippers (Thronton and Gordon). He defeinitely fills the void at PG, but at what cost? If Brand is there, he helps make the team successful and keep Baron in line. Without Brand, Baron is going to play for himself and will ultimately claim he is unhappy because the team is not winning. Baron’s contact will be difficult to trade and in order to ship him out of town the Clippers will have to take on an even worse contract.
I may be wrong, maybe Baron will just be happy to play in his home town and make his money or maybe the core of Davis, Kaman, Thronton and Gordon can win together (and stay healthy), I just have a hunch this will end badly.
by Jeremy on
Jul 9, 2008 11:41 AM PDT
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They should be able to retract the BD verbal offer at this point
by Jax on
Jul 9, 2008 9:57 AM PDT
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Because as much as he lies about it
Jax likes it when the Clippers lose.
You see, it makes him Right.
by John R on
Jul 9, 2008 10:01 AM PDT
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No need for the unnecessary personal attacks, John R
I think the Clips should rebuild – spend the money they would spend on BD on younger up and coming players. I am thinking about winning in the long term.
I understand that you’re hurt by the EB situation. Let’s try to keep it civil here.
by Jax on
Jul 9, 2008 10:02 AM PDT
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Roflcopter
Who, specifically?
This is why it is hard for many of us to take you seriously. I mean, I don’t recall ever seeing “Jax, what do you think” on this forum.
Ok, so spend the money on up and coming players = losing. There is no two ways about it. You want to see the Clippers lose for a long time.
Ask the Bulls. Their youth movement is a decade on now, isn’t it?
by John R on
Jul 9, 2008 10:06 AM PDT
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Stop, John R
I’m not interested in arguing with you over who wants the Clippers to win more.
I also am not interested in winning a popularity contest, apparently you are.
You and I can disagree about how the Clips should get to the point where they can attract big name free agents, but I suspect that we both want the team to win. Thus, I would respectfully suggest that you refocus your anger elsewhere.
by Jax on
Jul 9, 2008 10:09 AM PDT
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Who is angry?
Just because I think you are a troll doesn’t mean I am angry at you.
And what do you mean getting to the point where the Clippers can attract big name free agents. I guess you have redefined Baron Davis as not a big name free agent.
Huh. Believe what you need to believe to be right. Its the Jax way!
by John R on
Jul 9, 2008 10:12 AM PDT
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Who is "up and coming"?
Who will play PG? I think Davis, Kaman and some athletic players like Thornton and Gordon can do ok.
Good thing the Clips went with Jordan in Rd. 2.
by mikey p on
Jul 9, 2008 10:10 AM PDT
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You may be right
Perhaps they have no choice but to spend the money on BD. I just think that paying a 30 year old PG $65 m over five years, given the Clippers’ roster, is the smartest of moves, but if they can’t use it to land any younger pgs. Would they lose him if they cut back the offer to four years?
I don’t think that they should use EB’s money on Okafor or Josh Smith, tying up the money for years. Neither player, even with BD, will get them where they want to go.
Here’s a thought (no I don’t believe this, but it’s just a thought I’ve been pondering for a bit) – could BD and EB have cooked up this whole thing to snow the Clips into getting BD the payday he was seeking but couldn’t get elsewhere?
by Jax on
Jul 9, 2008 10:18 AM PDT
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LOL, maybe
EB and BD punked the Clips. Who knows? I’m glad Baron is here.
I will also be ok if they shell the money out to Josh Smith. Will he be good 2 or 3 years from now? Hell yes.
by mikey p on
Jul 9, 2008 10:22 AM PDT
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He is a good player
But would he fit in in MDSr’s slowdown system? I’d be surprised if he would want to play here.
by Jax on
Jul 9, 2008 10:25 AM PDT
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I get it
I agree with Adande’s theory for the most part. EB wanted to leave all along. Sure, the playoff run may have briefly changed his mind. But the letdown 06-07 season and the injury last year snapped him out of it. He opted out the second the option became available to him.
But that’s not the whole story. Let’s not omit the deceit and lies. Throughout his entire injury recovery, during which the Clippers and fans stood by him 100%, he sang the same song. Even after he opted out, he was still singing that song. EB can’t wait to get back on the court with his Clipper teammates. EB is not a quitter. EB intends to stay with the Clippers. EB will make sacrifices to better the team. Bee-Ess.
So I do get it. EB is a two-faced jackass. Four-letter-word him.
Someone photoshop the left side of EB’s mug onto THIS.
by supac on Jul 9, 2008 12:14 AM PDT 0 recs
Life goes on
I sorta disagree with ClipperSteve in suggesting we go straight into rebuild mode after dreaming about going far in the playoffs for the last week. Clips can still field a competitive team by going after the various RFA’s out there….Josh Smith probably would create similar logjam issues with Al Thornton that Maggette did, but it would still be a competitive team.
This is a shell-shock to loyal Clips fans, but as ClipperSteve mentioned, the last 15 months have already been a pretty much Brand-less team. Life goes on, we’ll sign another player, and things will move forward with a younger core. EB left for pretty much the same reasons B Diddy came: going back home and a little extra raise. At the end of the day, we as fans have to realise that we care more about teams and loyalty, etc. than the players do. They are simply high paid employees. Look at Johnny Damon for example. He was the face of the Red Sox, then he bolted to the Yanks. Was he aware of all the backlash that Sox fans would give him? Of course, but in the long run, those things from an employee viewpoint don’t really matter. Malone soured his legacy on the Jazz just so he could chase a ring with the ill-fated 04 Lakers….these things happen in sports. We just have to accept it and move on with life. Life with a Front office led by the incompetent Elgin Baylor. An Elgin Baylor that hasn’t delivered in 20 years.
How this team will turn out is anyone’s guess. At this point, it would seem the team would be better suited as a guard-oriented team as the only post presence is a Kaman. If that were the case, a Josh Smith, Ellis or Iggy would be sensible acquisitions. Then again, Mike Dunleavy is the coach, so we can all expect another slow and prodding team. I think the Clips will not stand pat here, they have to deliver a decent FA after this.
On the bright side, at least we have a team….Seattle no longer does, thanks to gutless council members who took the money over awaiting a court decision.
No Maggette for sure on the same day makes this one of the darkest days in franchise history. Perhaps all along our loyalties were mixed up. Could Corey have been the model citizen? He was DTS’ favorite player….keeping him around would have been no problem….he was just looking for a slight raise and likely would have stayed if given a better contract. Sorry I keep bringing the guy up, but I really do think Corey will be missed greatly by the Clips and ClipperNation as well. We can blame EB for pretty much eliminating any chance of a Plan B with Maggette.
I love LAC.
by oasisman on Jul 9, 2008 12:48 AM PDT 0 recs
Just a comment here
I am a Bulls, fan but I live in LA, and I go watch Clips games all the time. This really hurt me, I dont even know how much it sucks for you. Damn, Elton was my boy from Chicago to LA. and please change this in the start of trying to join here.. “The Clippers haven’t had a ton of success over the years, but they have been blessed with a lot of classy players, led by Elton Brand. We want that sort of citizenship here on ClipsNation as well.
A few specifics -” Elton Brand aint classy, he is worse than Carlos Boozer…
by NamingRightsOnSale on Jul 9, 2008 1:10 AM PDT 0 recs
Thanks for reminding me...
There are a couple things I have to change around here. That’s one of them for sure. The ‘In Brand we Trust’ T-shirts need a second look as well.
The Clippers! The (second) Best NBA Team in LA!
by ClipperSteve on
Jul 9, 2008 9:38 AM PDT
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I have a Brand jersey and my wife has Maggette's
I never thought mine would become dated, only hers.
by mikey p on
Jul 9, 2008 9:46 AM PDT
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Honestly...
My heart is broken. This is possibly the darkest and depressing day in the history of Clipper Nation.
I want to think Al and K2 can improve further next year and fill EB’s void, but it seems as if that hope, like the hope EB gave every single one of us, is only going to be crushed by injuries or disinterest.
by Redmosa on Jul 9, 2008 1:48 AM PDT 0 recs
Its a sad day for the Clippers organization, and even a sadder day for Elton Brand. EB had always carefully cultivated his stand-up public persona and presented himself as an all around nice guy; hard working, dedicated, loyal to his teammates, and a quiet leader. In one move, he torched that persona and destroyed whatever integrity he had, not only as a basketball player, but as a man.
He could have been honest with the Clippers and made his intentions clear; that he wanted out, that he preferred to play in the East, etc and the Clips could have acted accordingly. But he strung the orgnization along, demanding that we get someone like Baron Davis (we did), all the while using the Clippers to drive up the bidding for his services.
This is worse than what Boozer had done to Cleveland. Perhaps Duke University fails to properly instruct its young athletes on the principles of integrity, honesty, and character.
Norman Mailer once wrote that in the Latin world, a man is not defined by who he is every day, but is defined by his best days and his worst. Because it is only in those brightest or darkest moments that he reveals his true self and shows the world who he was truly meant to be.
Elton has not only betrayed his public persona and code of honor, he has betrayed himself. He has betrayed the trust that the Clippers organization and the fans have invested in him—in the belief that he was a stand-up guy, someone with integrity who was true to his word and commitment. He proved himself to be less than Gilbert Arenas, and maybe even Baron Davis in terms of character. In short, he has revealed himself to be nothing more than another greedy NBA player; carefully crafting his public persona for endorsement contracts and looking out for himself above all. I suppose you can’t blame a man for that in this day and age. But the hypocrisy that he represents is disturbing. Rarely has an athlete’s public persona and true self been so divergent. Rarely has an athlete been able to deceive so many people for so long in our cynical time.
I usually wish former Clippers well on their next team and cheer them from afar. I will not be doing that for Elton.
by MichaelCage on Jul 9, 2008 2:40 AM PDT 0 recs
See, this is what I love about ClipsNation
Norman Mailer references. Seriously. I love that. Well played sir.
The Clippers! The (second) Best NBA Team in LA!
by ClipperSteve on
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Thank you ClipperSteve, you run a great blog site here. I just discovered it after a friend told me to check it out. We’re long time Clips fans and when something like this happens, it just rips your heart out as fans; not only of the Clippers, but of professional basketball in general.
In this past few weeks, we’ve seen the Sonics abandoning Seattle with the cynical backing of David Stern, Brandon Jennings showing that the 1 year minimum college rule is nothing but a joke, and Elton Brand (the supposedly ultimate nice guy) revealing himself to have worse character than Barry Bonds. There is something rotten in the core of the NBA, which allows agents like Falk to thrive and prosper. Perhaps it is for this reason that the allegations of a convicted gambler like Donnaghey can be taken seriously (in most sports, it would be brushed off). What has been clearly shown in the last month is that the league’s only loyalty is to the almighty dollar-to the detriment of all else- such that an allegation of the NBA fixing games to boost TV ratings and revenues becomes almost plausible.
by MichaelCage on
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Nicely put
Great post by MichaelCage—and vintage Cage would be a perfect fit for the Clips at this point, by the way.
”...the hypocrisy that he represents is disturbing.” That hits it, right there. It’s shocking and disturbing, and a case of truly bad timing.
I don’t think people know how deeply we were invested in Brand, how he represented something higher and better about sports for the Nation and especially the small pack of Clipper fans who really know basketball, who have some understanding of how the way you play the game seems to reflect the essence of your personality.
This has been a very strange and disturbing turn of events. Kudos to MCage for such a keen articulation, and of course a Mailer reference is always welcome.
by citizen zhiv on
Jul 9, 2008 11:09 AM PDT
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LA Daily News has an interesting take
http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_9821785
They say Brand was offered over $80M by the Clips, so it wasn’t the money. They have not been in touch with him, but were convinced as of Monday that he was coming back.
So this is a pretty dodgy move by EB.
They also say that as soon as they heard, the Clips immediately “dispatched” someone to talk to Baron Davis. Uh oh.
Lots more to learn, but I may owe the Clippers front office an apology.
by mikey p on Jul 9, 2008 6:01 AM PDT 0 recs
There is so much unknown
The reason I care is that it changes the entire NBA offseason landscape if the Clippers can take any player they want in a trade.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jul 9, 2008 6:08 AM PDT
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Mikey I think the real trick is to bring in as much salary without going over the minimum threshold
Which is 75% of the salary cap which is reported to be at 58.68 million. According to my calculator, 75% of 58.68 is 44.01 million dollars. The Clippers do have to commit that much salary or else they would be penalized.
This is an intriguing salary cap situation and I might release a post on what the Clippers could do. That is if JohnR or Clipper Steve, or the Clippers just sign a big name FA eating up all of that space.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jul 9, 2008 6:17 AM PDT
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That is unles JohnR or CS do a post on it first^
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jul 9, 2008 6:19 AM PDT
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Here is what is screwy
How much has EB changed his mind in the past week? Does he look at Philly and see a Boston situation? They are not a contender. Playoff team, yes, but not going to challenge Boston. No way.
If he wanted to be in the East and contend, would he look to Miami? Could have had a good situation there. If he would have insisted on a Sign & Trade for Haslem, Blount and Beasley, the Clippers would have had to oblige, and everybody woud be happy.
Why the hell Philly? I realize Mo Cheeks is a great guy and players coach, but c’mon.
Colin Cowherd suggested that big time agents like Falk do not want their players stuck with teams like the Clippers. The Clippers will always be the #2 team in LA. They don’t even have their own arena. They have a bad stigma, and odd management. Maybe that was it.
It is strange that this took a week to figure out.
by mikey p on
Jul 9, 2008 6:59 AM PDT
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Bad taste in my mouth...
This whole thing makes me nauseous…I thought a good night’s sleep would make it feel better, but it didn’t…for some reason, Shaq’s soliloquy to KB comes to mind right about now…"ClipperNation, tell me how my a$$ tastes!"
by Lawler's Law on Jul 9, 2008 9:12 AM PDT 0 recs
EB
Just wished EB made his intentions loud and clear prior to free agency, we could have traded for Beasley and Marion. Instead of this horrible burning sensation.
Back to Free Agency.
by Qlippers on Jul 9, 2008 9:16 AM PDT 0 recs
It's not all bad
Read the Bright Side fanpost above.
If the Clippers land Smith (or Okafor or Biedrins), you can say that they basically traded Brand and Maggette (who won squat as the cornerstones) for Baron Davis and one of those other guys.
Not too bad. Plus the Clippers will be able to add to that. Couldn’t be done with Elton.
by mikey p on
Jul 9, 2008 9:25 AM PDT
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After letting the intial shock wear off
I am sort of liking this train of thought…signing some young guys…and the trade evens out somewhat…I like Okafur a lot….and if the Clippers want to stand pat too, that would be fine. Isn’t Boozer a FA next year? And there is always Bosh 2 years down the road…I am slowly backing away from the ledge right now…
by Clip Show on
Jul 9, 2008 9:32 AM PDT
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I would prefer not to wait around for 2 years for anyone
It worked out for Philly, but it usually doesn’t go so well. Either the Knicks or Nets will find that out in two years.
I don’t love Okafor, but he would be ok. I prefer Josh Smith or Biedrins. I would even take Iggy.
by mikey p on
Jul 9, 2008 9:34 AM PDT
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Sports Picks
Yea there are some conversations that haven’t been released to public, this has everyone scratching their head. Now the Clips have to go after another free agent like Josh Smith…
by Sports Picks on Jul 9, 2008 9:29 AM PDT 0 recs
And another thing
How does EB going from “Beno Udrih is out there” to bailing after the Clips get Baron Davis?
It is just more proof that something happened. I can’t wait for the tell all.
by mikey p on Jul 9, 2008 9:35 AM PDT 0 recs
Something is fishy...
If it was so clearly Clippers management that was at fault, you would think that EB or Falk would say so right away. It would immediately save face, and it would be the old “clippers are inept” argument; something no one can really refute. This silence, however, tells me otherwise. More and more I get the feeling that EB just went back on his word…or was never truthful from the beginning…
I can’t wait for the Philly/Clips game this year though….every time that traitor touches the ball, a chorus of BOOOS will ring out from Staples….no more MVP chants for that sellout…if ESPN is smart, they will put that game on their nationally televised schedule…ah, the drama!!!
by Clip Show on
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So hard to be rational right now
But with all the people sporting the “In Brand we Trust” shirts and nobody sporting a “In Clips Mgmt We Trust” shirt, I am going to reserve any judgment until something is said. THAT being said, his lack of any statement is fishy as all hell.
IF mgmt refused to give him a no trade clause, I would be shocked. I feel like a chicken with my head cut off and don’t know what to think, but I just can’t swallow Brand stabbing us all in the back.
"Lets get one thing straight, the only reason you are conscious right now is because I don't feel like carrying you." - Jack Bauer
"Consequences, Schmonsequences, as long as I'm rich." - Daffy Duck
by Badd on Jul 9, 2008 9:53 AM PDT 0 recs
Change in managment
We need to fire our front office. They have failed time and time again to either keep or sign players that we needed. And this latest failure should be the last straw, Sterling needs to get new people that can actually get the job done. I mean how did you let EB leave when all you had to was ask him what he wants and if he wants more money you get it to him.
But maybe we could still sign Maggs I heard he wants the clippers to match GS offer. If there is a way to keep him then he should become the face of the clippers. Either way no one should boo maggs he made his intentions clear from minute he opted out but Brand should be booed the whole game to remind who he left.
by bestclipfan on Jul 9, 2008 10:34 AM PDT 0 recs
It's looking more and more
like EB was leaving no matter what. The CLippers called his bluff, and now he has pie in his face. I can’t totally blame management (yet) for this one…..or at least not until the truth comes out. Now, dont get me wrong, I am not advocating the current management either…just most of my anger at the moment is aimed toward FElton.
Maggs is a gone. He won’t get booed when he comes back. He was upfront and professional. All the luck to him.
by Clip Show on
Jul 9, 2008 10:44 AM PDT
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Why is anyone shocked?
Kobe
Arenas
Elton
Every summer the rose looks pretty in June but by July it has withered. Even though Steve was confident I expressed my doubts that everything would fall our way like it appeared was going to happen.
The guys I feel sorry for is John R and Steve. All that time dedicated to how it was going to play out, just went out the window.
Baron Davis is in the same boat he was in GS except he has security so I don’t feel sorry for him. Kaman will not be able to continue his offensive surge since EB/CM are gone. EB has made a big mistake but we will be the ones paying for it. He will get his all-star selections and post season games but he has to do in Philly. No one is treated kindly in Philly.
I thought the Beasly/Marion deal was sweet now it looks especially sweet. No one wants to play in Mike’s stifling scheme. Next year by this time Baron will be crying for a new home.
by ToyCannon on Jul 9, 2008 10:44 AM PDT 0 recs
As a Sixers fan...
...I’m obviously pleased that we’ve somehow managed to get a player as good as Elton Brand.
As an NBA fan in general, I share the puzzlement expressed by a lot of people here as to how it happened. Every comment I saw in the papers during the last week was focused on how the Clippers had managed to get Davis to agree to a contract, a move that should have been guaranteed to make Brand happy. I was even in the middle of posting to my blog that all the Brand-to-Sixers talk was just nonsense when I saw the late-breaking reports that pushed the possibility from rumor to done deal.
Just weird. I hope sometime in the near future Brand shares with everyone what his thought process actually was during this time period (assuming we can believe whatever story he chooses to share).
by Sam Cohen on Jul 9, 2008 10:58 AM PDT 0 recs
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