Where to Start?
Returning from two weeks away, I'm a little overwhelmed by the task at hand. To be sure, the activity of this past fortnight pales in comparison to the prior 5 or 6 weeks. But it's not insignificant. Furthermore, the sands were shifting so thoroughly already that I feel like I'm trying to provide an update to a situation that was completely unstable. How have things changed since I left? It depends on your definition of how things looked at the time.
Invariably, when I don't have a clear angle on a post, all I can do is dive in and start writing. So here goes:
Jason Williams - I guess I assumed that Jason Williams would warrant more than the veteran's minimum, so in that sense it seems like a good signing. I'm no fan of Hart, so if we're going to have a Jason as a backup point guard, this is certainly my preference. Still, how many guys from the 1998 draft does one team need to sign in a single off season? Along with Brain Skinner and Ricky Davis, this now makes three 1998 first rounders the Clippers have signed a decade later. It's probably not too late to call Michael Olowokandi.
Still, Williams can play some ball. It's actually pretty hard to imagine a more exciting player signing for the min. His off-the-elbow pass is probably the most amazing pass I've ever seen. (By the way, I seem to recall that he's made that pass in a real game at least once, but the only video I can find is from the 2000 Rookie game - a game I happened to attend.) But for all his street-ball chops, he certainly played his best ball in Memphis when he settled down and just ran the team. In fact, until last season when he struggled playing for the hapless Heat, he put up six consecutive seasons with a PER of 15 or better. Not earth-shattering, but not bad.
Steve Novak - As it happens, I like Steve Novak - a lot. I was trying to come up with trades for him as far back as December 2006 (in the same post in which I imagined trading for Allen Iverson, believe it or not.) The guy can really shoot the ball. I remember watching him as a freshman (I think) on Wade's Marquette team and thinking that he could play. He's never had much of a chance in Houston, but he's proven that he has NBA range in the few opportunities he's gotten. He was 34 for 71 shooting the three in very limited minutes last season. Truthfully, if Tim Thomas' role is supposed to be the 6'10" guy who can shoot threes, Novak does that for a lot less money.
Paul Davis - This one is surprising, if only because it seemed for a while there that the Clippers were bound and determined to distance themselves from anything and everything related to the 07-08 season. Of all the players that might have returned (Josh Powell, Quinton Ross, Shaun Livingston, Nick Fazekas, Marcus Williams) Paul Davis would in many ways seem to be the least likely. Yes, the Clippers were very high on his prospects this time last year - much higher, for instance, than they were on Josh Powell. Yes, he had finally starting playing well when he got injured. But let's face it - he has a couple of decent NBA games and a ruptured ACL on his resume and not much else.
Which leads me to the real question. Roster math is a zero-sum game. There are only 15 spots, maximum. So giving a spot to Davis (or trading a second round pick for Novak) means NOT giving a spot to Nick Fazekas. That's a little tough to figure. Obviously, none of these guys (Davis, Novak, Fazekas) has proven much at the NBA level so far. Novak has played 455 NBA minutes, Davis 374 and Fazekas 269. So, we can rave about Fazekas' stellar PER, but the sample size is so small that I'm willing to admit that maybe MDsr sees something that overrides that data. (Of course Novak's PER of 17.3 last year is none-too-shabby.) But when a guy gets into a game and produces results, you kind of want to see him get into more games and for more minutes, and that's why it hurts to say goodbye to Fazekas. Coincidentally, all three of these guys were all taken in about the same spot in the draft - Novak 32nd in 2006, Davis 34th in 2006, Fazekas 34th in 2007. For what it's worth.
Likewise in the backcourt, the LA Times reported when the Clippers signed Williams that it probably meant an end to Shaun Livingston's career with the team. Apparently the Clippers offered him a one year minimum deal, which he turned down. Of course, it remains to be seen if any other NBA team (teams without the same emotional and financial investment in Livingston) will offer even that much to a player who is not yet cleared to play. One wonders if Livingston might become a possibility again as the season gets closer and no other offers are forthcoming. A roster spot can easily be made available for him by cutting Mike Taylor. So I'm crossing my fingers that my Livingston jersey will not have to follow the Wilcox and Brand versions into the dumpster. But it's a long shot at this point. (And by the way, what's with the Clippers' coverage in the Times from the likes of Chris Hine and Lonnie White? Jonathan Abrams hasn't written a word about the team in almost 3 weeks. Seems suspicious.)
I'm not ready for a complete, 'big picture' post quite yet. It's all still coalescing in my head. Guys like Ricky Davis and Jason Williams are not exactly the classic 'locker room' types. But maybe Davis and Williams and Tim Thomas can form some sort of 'cancer survivors' group and overcome their somewhat checkered pasts. Or is it more likely that they'll drag one another down? We'll see. The contracts are all cheap and short - the Clippers cap situation looks good for next summer, and great for 2010, as of right now. But it's certainly not looking like a youth movement. Baron Davis (29), Ricky Davis (28), Jason Hart (30), Jason Williams (32), Brian Skinner (32) and Marcus Camby (34) are joining Cat Mobley (32) and Tim Thomas (31). Yuck. It's a good thing none of those guys other than Baron are signed for more than two seasons, because some of them may not last that long.
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…with those shifting sands. I just looked back to check on the flurry before the last pre-vacation post. It was the Brian Skinner move. It was interesting to read through the comments on that signing—a fair number of people were still thinking Fazekas, and it was revealed that Powell might be problematic: didn’t want to have to go to summer league to get a deal, could have been a two-year commitment. At that point Davis was definitely a dark horse, and that continued right up until today’s signing.
I wonder about Davis’ health status, his rehab, where his game is at right now. One of the intriguing things about the fascinating “if you live in the LA area” post by Clipschamps is the nugget of Livingston news. You know, speaking of rehabs, of the epic variety in the case of Liv. When we left off with Livingston—before signing Baron Davis, trading for Jason Hart, and then signing Jason Williams, all of whom play Liv’s position (not to mention all of the other guys drafted or signed who play some of the other positions Liv might play), Livingston was playing some one-on-one and we were eagerly awaiting the possibility he might be able to play a little bit in the preseason. Now he’s apparently running up and down the court at UCLA every day, not exactly attacking the rim, but it does sound as if he’s gone to the next stage of his rehab. Didn’t we used to care about this? Now we get to start wondering about the rehab of Paul Davis.
by citizen zhiv on Aug 18, 2008 7:54 PM PDT 0 recs
So I youtube’d the Jason Williams pass and ended up watching random NBA highlights for the better part of an hour. Thanks ClipperSteve…
by atthehive on Aug 18, 2008 8:51 PM PDT 0 recs
You're welcome...
Isn’t that an amazing pass? I just realized I failed to link the youtube on the original post. That’s my bad.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by ClipperSteve on
Aug 19, 2008 10:45 AM PDT
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Update on Liv and PDavis from the summer pickup games at UCLA
Re: Liv’s and PDavis’ latest status… After reading the “live in the LA area” post, I took the plunge and showed up at UCLA today looking for my summer hoops fix. I was not disappointed, as three games were going at one time – all with talented, physical players either currently playing in or with legit chance to make it in the NBA. Being so close, you develop a real appreciate for the forwards and centers – just humongous along every dimension (as my uncle used to say, they’re just grown bigger). Andre Miller looked like he was in mid season form and Earl Watson also looked good (I snuck up behind Earl to get a gauge on his actual height – we stood eye to eye at about 6’2".)
Anyway, back to Liv. On the sideline, I spoke with an agent for one of the players who is there every day, and I asked him how Liv looked last week. He wasn’t very encouraging, indicating that something was lost in Liv’s moves and it was not coming back. Take it for what it’s worth, but he even spent most of the conversation trying to persuade me that Liv needs to build his shooting game because his days as a PG are over.
Also, in the Paul Davis thread, someone asked whether Dunleavy gave PDavis a “tryout”. The aforementioned agent mentioned that Clipper management was there last week looking at PDavis in a game, so I’m guessing that was part of the team’s evaluation. The agent said that Paul looked like he was getting it back together… and this was before the signing announcement came out.
So there is one agent’s assessment – take it for what it’s worth.
By the way, the agent repped a player who – by sheer coincidence – played in a Clips mini-camp (I believe?) last year. He introduced me to the player, whose name was Kenny Barnes. I’m guessing 6’6" and he drained what looked like a NBA three in one of the pickup games. Kenny and I chatted for a few minutes and he seemed like a very nice, humble guy.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Aug 18, 2008 8:58 PM PDT 1 recs
Fascinating
Great stuff, AsoMS. These are the tea leaves of August, and we read them the best we can.
As much as we love Nick Fazekas (in theory), that’s how much we hate Andre Miller. I dare anyone to name a player with a lower status in ClipperNation. Midseason form yes, personality no. Did he talk to anybody? Does he still drive a Civic? He and FElton deserve each other—FElton’s choice. He’s probably playing and trying to come into camp in great shape because he has to play for a contract this year, and the Sixers have already signed Louis Williams.
Earl Watson, on the other hand, is a beloved former Bruin, the backcourt mate of our own BD. Mark him down as a prime candidate for either the Jason Hart or Jason Williams spot in 2010. So Davis and Livingston weren’t playing today, and all of the Clipper folks were there to see Livingston and Davis. Hmmm. Good timing by Clipschamps—now that’s a nice ClipsNation tea leaf!
I know a little bit about these UCLA games, but not first hand. I believe that they were organized by a guy named Adam Mills who I first played with in, oh, I’m going to guess 1970, when he was a 10 year old fat little BH punk. I’m pretty sure there’s an article about the summer run, at what used to be called the Men’s Gym, if you google Adam Mills UCLA summer basketball. Mills was a late bloomer, and the Men’s Gym game was just one of many Westwood/UCLA runs back in the day when Pauley was a true hoops Mecca. Mills turned into a truly classic beached-out puka-shelled 80s Showtime actor/player dude, the full package, and he started organizing the pros to play during the summer.
by citizen zhiv on
Aug 18, 2008 9:22 PM PDT
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ucla games
I wasnt able to make it out there today, classes got in the way, but my friend said that a bunch of clippers were there like ricky davis and jason hart. In regards to dunleavy, the entire coaching staff was there last week watching the games, I guess now we know they were there scouting paul davis and they feel that he deserves a roster spot.
by clipschamps on
Aug 18, 2008 10:01 PM PDT
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Thanks
Excellent trip report, we all appreciate the information.
by supac on
Aug 19, 2008 12:25 AM PDT
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An Andre-hater?
Zhiv, I just read your post more closely… priceless… I didn’t get a look at his sweet Civic ride, but you’re right in that I didn’t notice a ton of verbal communication on the court… but he did look better than I ever saw him while he was in a Clip uniform.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Aug 19, 2008 11:37 AM PDT 0 recs






