Final Thoughts on Team USA
Watching USA-Spain in the Gold Medal game, several things struck me.
- All the talk of the 37 point win was significantly out of touch. Blow outs happen. The Celtics destroyed the Lakers in the last game of the NBA Finals. It doesn't mean that the Lakers couldn't play them close or beat them on a different day. If you actually watched that first USA-Spain game, I just don't understand how you could be surprised at a close re-match, especially if Spain did a better job of taking care of the ball, which they did.
- Before the game I said that two things had to happen in order for Spain to have a chance. They had to take care of the ball (they did committing only 14 turnovers compared to 28 in the first meeting); and the US had to take (and miss) a lot of threes. Although they cooled off in the second half, a 7-10 first half and 13-28 (46.4%) overall was enough to thwart Spain's upset hopes.
- I mentioned it in a comment, but it was once again apparent in this game – the international referees have adjusted to NBA players, rather than vice versa. In years past, it was hard not to see a bias against the US, but in the Final, the whistle blew a lot against both teams, with the most questionable calls going against Spain.
- And this is the big one. I think we can safely state that the best teams in the world have caught up, and are now able to play with the US. No excuses, no 'the refs helped them', no 'the international game is different', no 'the US team didn't play hard' or 'the US team didn't play well.' Here we had a superbly talented US team, playing their asses off, shooting the lights out – and it was a 4 point game with 2 minutes to go.
The US will always field a great team in international competitions, assuming USA basketball and the players continue to take it seriously. Other teams will rise and fall with specific players or groups of players. Already Argentina is on the decline – Ginobili, Scola and Oberto have formed the core of the team since 1998, and I haven't seen a group of younger players that seem ready to fill their shoes. It's not like 19 year old Argentines are getting NBA draft buzz year after year. On the other hand, one wonders how good Spain will be in four years when Ricky Rubio is 21, Rudy Fernandez is 27 and Marc Gasol is 27 (and Pau will only be 33). Or maybe Italy – with rookies chosen 1, 20 and 6 in the last three drafts - will be the next international team to catch lightning in a bottle. And of course China will eventually develop some guards (the Lakers are trying their best to help) and then watch out.
The depth of talent in the US ensures a great team every year, while other teams will come and go. But there will always be one or two teams capable of pushing the Team USA, no matter how good they are. It's basketball – there are only five guys on the floor, and one player can have a massively disproportional impact (as evidenced by Germany's disproportionate success over the years with essentially one top player). It's safe to say that those Nowitzki-type players are out there and will keep showing up, in ever greater numbers, and that some of them will have other talent around a superstar. So it's rarely if ever going to be easy.
Despite the win, I still can't resist ranting on a couple of subjects, or re-ranting I guess.
One of the most telling plays of the game came early in the second quarter. With less than a minute gone, a long rebound of a missed Rubio three bounced out to Kobe Bryant, who had leaked out behind the defense. As he went in uncontested for the crowd-pleasing jam, the Spanish bench erupted. Here's the thing: Mike Breen and Doug Collins had no idea what the Spanish bench was complaining about. They saw them arguing, saw the ref tell them to settle down, and wondered if there'd been a push on the other end or something. But there's so used to NBA style basketball, they couldn't even see what the Spaniards saw. Clearly, by the rules in the rulebook and by the way the game is played in Europe, Kobe travelled, taking fully two steps after getting the rebound but before putting the ball on the floor. This is the kind of incidental, sloppy, no-advantage-gained travel that is NEVER called in the NBA. But it's fairly obvious from the simultaneous reaction of a dozen Spanish players and coaches that it is called where they come from, and we can all remember it being called in prior international competitions. An almost identical play involving LeBron in Athens left him embarrassingly committing a turnover on a breakaway - something of a momentum killer.
Those calls didn't happen in Beijing. Not just on this one Kobe play. Frequently. (BallinEurope chimes in on this subject as well.) Is it a coincidence? No way. FIBA clearly made a conscious decision, like the NBA did years ago, to trade off some sloppy footwork for more windmill dunks. And the Beijing crowds certainly appreciated the decision. So there you have it. One of the long time problems for Team USA was that they would have to adjust to international rules and international refs. But now it seems that particular problem is solved - or rather, it has simply gone away.
Adjusting to the way the refs call traveling? Not an issue. The shorter three point line and the trapezoid lane? Oh, those won't be a problem anymore either, since FIBA is adopting near-NBA court dimensions by 2012. Ultimately, it's clearly good for the game to have everyone playing with more similar rules across the world. But it's pretty clear that the power of the NBA had a major impact on these decisions.
Finally, it will be interesting to see what happens in 2010 in Turkey. When Jerry Colangelo took over USA Basketball in 2006, his three year plan was to get a long term time commitment from players, to hold real try outs, and to put role players on the team. A Gold medal in Beijing would seem to vindicate his leadership, but the truth of the matter is that his supposedly new approach mattered little - given that he more or less ignored his stated goals. Improved point guard play (Jason Kidd is STILL undefeated in international competition and Chris Paul is a very different player in 2008 than he was in 2006) and the presence of one Kobe Bryant were the reasons this team finished on top, and none of that other Colangelo stuff.
Look, I'm not a big fan of Kobe, but the guy can play. When Spain cut the lead to 2 on a Rudy Fernandez three with 8 minutes remaining, Kobe scored or assisted on the next 10 Team USA points. None of them came from anything resembling an offensive set. It was just Kobe creating shots, which he can do better than any player in the world. And of course there was the four point play a few minutes later. It was a bad shot - a three with a player close enough to foul you is always a bad shot - but it went in.
But I keep coming back to the fact that, even though the US played well, even though Kobe was there and carried the team in the fourth, even though they had great pass first point guards to lead the team, Spain could still have won this game. Ask yourself a couple of questions
- What happens if Team USA's second most important player misses this game, instead of Spain's (Jose Calderon)?
- What happens if Wade misses his three with 2:08 left, and Jimenez makes his wide open three instead and it's a tie game with 97 seconds left?
That's how close it was people. Get used to it.
Comments
Using What-Ifs
Is a disservice to this team. You have severely underappreciated them.
by Ridiculous Matt on Aug 28, 2008 12:25 PM PDT 0 recs
Ok, let's answer these
What happens if Team USA’s second most important player misses this game, instead of Spain’s (Jose Calderon)?
First, who is Team USA’s 2nd best player? Hard to say really. They are so deep. I say that LeBron was the most irreplaceable player on the team because of his versatility. But Wade may have played the best overall. But let’s say that the 2nd best player is Kobe or Wade. I think that one or the other would be able to fill in. Again, it comes down to depth. Lack of depth is Spain’s problem, and not on that the US has very often.
Also, Calderon had a pretty bad tournament overall, and I’m not sure he was Spain’s 2nd best player. Had Calderon played in the final, it would have meant less minutes for Navarro, Rubio and/or Fernandez, who all played well. So the net effect may have been better, or it may have been worse.
What happens if Wade misses his three with 2:08 left, and Jimenez makes his wide open three instead and it’s a tie game with 97 seconds left?
This one is tougher. What if Rudy F. doesn’t get a 2nd look at a 3 he had just missed by an offensive rebound bouncing his way? What if the shove to the face that Marc Gasol threw on Bosh was whistled as it should have been and the succeeding basket was waived off?
D Wade buried his 3 because he is a big time player, and Jimenez missed his becuase he ain’t. That’s how I look at it.
As far as the world catching up, of course they have made strides. It was inevitable. If I started lifting weights in 1980, and you didn’t start until 1995, you could still catch up to me by 1998. I can only get so strong before you close the gap.
Still, nobody beat this team this year. Everybody else in the tournament lost twice. The US won every game by double-digits, save one, and that one was against a team that it had once beaten by 37.
The US clearly had the most talent on one team, and the most talented players in the world are generally from here (and it would seem, the most athletic). But as we often see in the NBA, the most talented team doesn’t always win. It takes a great balance of personnel and chemistry to make a winner. I think Team USA’s chemistry is greatly improved, but it still lacks compared to that of Argentina and Spain. I also think that the foreign players have sound fundamentals in comparison to US players.
Plus, the US made some personell mistakes. They clearly didn’t have enough size in the middle (which sounds silly to say because they won Gold). Instead of the limited and undersized Carlos Boozer, they should have brought Amare Stoudmire or Tyson Chandler. And Michael Redd should have been eschewed for either Shaun Marion, Shane Battier or James Posey, guys who, like Tayshaun Prince, can hit the 3 and get after it on defense.
Kobe is indeed a baller, and it was nice to have him on the team I was rooting for.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on Aug 28, 2008 1:00 PM PDT 0 recs
Personnel is central to the thing
I would add one more line of questioning.
What if next time, Wade, Lebron, Paul or Bosh don’t show up? Any one of them? And what if instead of replacing them with a proper big, they replace them with a next tier wing as I suspect they will do?
Team USA won this one because they had the best players in the league come out for the first time in a while. What if they don’t next time? I don’t see anything about the fundamental make up of this team that indicates USA basketball has learned anything. This batch of 20ppg guys just happened to be actually valuable compared to the last few batches of 20ppg guys.
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
by John R on
Aug 28, 2008 2:15 PM PDT
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And...
these wings are not only top tier current players, but maybe top tier ever players.
I don’t think that Brandon Roy and Rudy Gay and OJ Mayo are going to be up to the challenge. Those players with the right PG’s and enough bigs may be ok though.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on
Aug 28, 2008 7:36 PM PDT
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It's funny
MDSr’s never done anything wrong in his life to some of you guys, but when a coach does a great job, such as Coach K here (and I’m no fan of his), he gets no credit. I think I know why. He’s the anti-MDSr. To MDSr, you have to have at least two bigs in the game at all times. You can’t let the players create – you have to run your set plays all the time. Coach K made a philosophical decision – play small ball, allow the wings to beat the zones, prevent Dwight’s poor FTP from killing the team (as well as his numerous cheap shots, but I guess we won’t get into that), and basically let the players play.
Just what is it that USA basketball has to learn? How to play boring predictable inept offense like MDSr forces the Clippers to play? Again, I thought all you have to do is put 5 20 WIN win players in the game, no matter who they are, and you automatically win. I guess that’s true, unless you don’t like the players.
Team USA won this not just because the great players played, but also because of some great coaching. As was pointed out, Calderon wouldn’t have made much of a difference.
by Jax on
Aug 28, 2008 11:10 PM PDT
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Let me put it to you guys this way
The US Is the only team that has the horses to play wings and stil get enough boards to win. They are giving up some height inside, but they are gaining significant advantages in other facets of the game. The gamble paid off. They finally learned how to play the FIBA game. THe point about the traveling is a minor issue in my opinion.
Simply put, there are several “right ways” to structure your professional basketball team. In FIBA, with the wide keys, the zones, etc., it makes alot of sense for the US to play small ball. It is only the crusty old dudes who are complaining about this, but they’ll complain about anything.
by Jax on
Aug 28, 2008 11:19 PM PDT
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So let me see if I've got this...
1) I’m old and crusty
2) Coach K had a roster that included the numbers 1, 2, 4, 5, 12, 13 and 14 from the 2008 MVP race, number 7 from 2007 and number 6 from 2006. And he beat Spain – by letting them play. BRILLIANT!
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by ClipperSteve on
Aug 29, 2008 10:13 AM PDT
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I wouldn't put you in the pro MDSr camp
However, you seem to have misunderstood what I said. Indeed, Coach K’s approach wasn’t just about letting the players play or just playing the best players. Indeed, we had the best players, on paper at least, in 2004 and 2006 as well.
With all that said, I do think that Coach K did a pretty good job.
Finally, the retort just below proves my point.
by Jax on
Sep 2, 2008 8:27 PM PDT
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The paranoid mind lashes out
This has nothing to do with anything even remotely related to Dunleavy.
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
by John R on
Aug 29, 2008 8:16 AM PDT
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I'm not a big Dunleavy fan
so I don’t think your comment was directed to me.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on
Aug 29, 2008 2:47 PM PDT
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All righty then
What if Navarro hadn’t played the game of his life? What if Spain hadn’t shot 45% from three, 15 points above their average for the tournament? You see, I can play the what-if game from the other side as well. I could argue that it would have been an easier victory if Calderon played because he would have taken minutes away from Navarro, who played out of his mind. But we’ll never know because it didn’t happen, so it’s a pointless argument to make. It’s also insulting to completely discount Colangelo’s three year plan. If the players hadn’t made the commitment they did and just thrown a bunch of all-stars together like in the past, they would have likely folded at the end of that game just like every other US team of the past decade. How sad that you feel the need to put a negative spin on a great accomplishment.
by brettb3 on Aug 28, 2008 1:24 PM PDT 0 recs
Wow
Really interesting reactions to this post…
I think it was a great win. I really, really do. I’m saying, tough wins are going to be part of the gig from now on.
Yes, Spain shot 45% from three. And the US shot 46%. Spain played great, but they are a great team.
And the US played great (60% shooting overall!) and they are a great team. It was a great game.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by ClipperSteve on Aug 28, 2008 2:00 PM PDT 0 recs
Hey CS
had to read this one twice (this time not due to my child-induced-ADD) to make sure you weren’t being too negative about the gold win…I got your points of tough future wins and improved competition the second time around…it did seem a little harsh at first…IMHO
by Lawler's Law on Aug 28, 2008 8:51 PM PDT 0 recs
I dunno
Obviously some thought it was too negative. I didn’t think it was negative at all. I’m just saying, this US team has a ton of talent, and played extremely well, and they were in a dogfight nonetheless. That’s almost unbelievable, right?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by ClipperSteve on
Aug 28, 2008 8:59 PM PDT
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From Madrid - Spain
Greetings from Madrid-Spain
It was a great match! Well guys, I can say to you that it was not the Juan Carlos Navarro “match of his life”. All the spaniards have in mind much better plays!even in Memphis Navarro gots 6 three in a match! Spain tournenment was no so good than in the previous World championship in Japan. There, Spain had a number of matches with much better PCG than in the final in Beijing! Spain is a very irregular team as you could see in the two matches with USA. We had another example, 2 months ago we won to Argentina once by 30 points and next week just for 2points.
I will say my opinion for the final. In a play-off USA would ever win to Spain at least by 4-2. But this match, the final, would have been one of these matches for Spain!. I loose my account of the travelling not punished by the referees! all gifts for the USA team! (each one 2 points more for USA, and 2 points less for Spain!) and they even punished very doubtul faults to Spain down the boards. I suppose you agree with me than USA had to give his best to win this match. 100%
When Navarro, Rudy, Calderon and Garbajosa have “his day” shoting, all at the same time, nobody will win to Spain. Gasol, Reyes and Ricky are always very regular players. Let see in the next championship when we have the chance to see the best spaniard we ever have: Ricky Rubio!! In just a match, all is possible!
by javier-spain on Aug 29, 2008 12:39 AM PDT 0 recs
See you in Turkey in 2010
It could be very interesting. But I’ll still bet on the US.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by ClipperSteve on
Aug 29, 2008 10:05 AM PDT
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17 year old kid
playing PG in a Gold Medal game against the best the USA has to offer and holding his own. That was the story.
by ToyCannon on Aug 29, 2008 10:25 AM PDT 0 recs
He looked good
blowing past Kidd a couple of times…will definetly need to bulk up for the NBA…
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