Let's talk about Baron Davis
Good to be back. All quiet on the Clipper front, as expected, after an extremely busy July. I've been lurking for a few days, and nothing seems to be going on. There are still some things that should be classified as minor roster moves out there: no movement after the slightly bizarre "mutual" withdrawl of the QO to Fazekas, no hard news on Livingston yet, and only 12 roster spots officially spoken for (unless I'm mistaken). But imo this is all small change.
Shouldn't we be talking about Baron Davis?
I don't have all of the story lines by any means, so look at this as an invitation to create some. BD is the big story, by far, of the Clippers tumultuous offseason. We've covered it extensively, of course, but much of it was done in the shadow of the FElton debacle, and then trying to figure out how to plug the PF hole, which was deftly accomplished by the Camby deal.
So it just seems like we haven't taken the time to consider and appreciate the fact that Baron Davis is a Clipper, and that he'll be the leader of the team and the face of the franchise when the season starts and for some time to come. This is a major acquisition, completely unprecedented in Clipper annals, and it seems to be an extremely tight fit for the Clippers' needs and roster.
There are a couple of storylines that I keep thinking about and coming back to. One is the idea, perhaps mentioned by Chad Ford but I've seen it elsewhere, that BD is an injury-plagued player and whatever his abilities might be at this point, in five years his contract will certainly be burdensome and overvalued. My own response to this is that Mark Cuban made the same mistake with Steve Nash. Nash was "old" and had a tricky back, and Cuban thought that his best years were clearly behind him. That didn't turn out to be the case. The Clips' deal with BD is hardly comparable to the recent Dallas deal for JKidd--and that deal actually represents how a player like Davis will probably have significant trade value as he nears the end of his contract. But my own hope is that BD will, well, blow up and be the best thing that has ever happened to the Clippers, playing with the best supporting cast now and for the next five years, taking the opportunity to build the first true Clipper legacy.
PG is a cerebral position that combines skill with strength and athleticism. The effectiveness of Sam Cassell a couple years ago is one example, but we've seen how Nash and John Stockton were able to play at the highest level towards the end of their careers. Kidd is an example of a player whose game originally consisted of great athleticism, who has been able to remain effective even after significant injuries. One of the important factors in this advanced equation is the makeup of a "true PG," as opposed to a combo guard or converted SG. The position is about running a team and creating opportunities for the entire unit, and a big part of success derives from the mental aspect of controlling tempo and going into crunchtime with confidence. The transformation of the Clippers under Cassell, from a team that routinely squandered 4th quarter leads and gave up road games much too easily, into a highly competitive and confident playoff squad, was a perfect example that we all know quite well. Davis is better, younger, stronger, more versatile, and just as fearless and clutch, and we should expect even better results.
The other thing I keep coming back to is the way in which BD is a native son who has embraced the opportunity to become the face of the franchise and turn the Clippers into an elite team that can compete with the guys down the hallway. The FElton debacle is unfortunate because it has taken away from anticipation of the excitement and special moment that will occur when BD walks onto the floor of Staples in a Clipper uniform. I read somewhere that BD was the irreplaceable heart and soul of the extraordinary "we believe" GSW experience, and that effect will be compounded by him playing in his hometown and on a team with excellent big men, a strong defensive presence, and talented wing players young and old. There were all sorts of conversations about "relevance" when BD first signed, which faded away after FElton bolted, but they still apply. The Clips have an essential difference-maker as their leader now, they have a strong roster, and they will be highly competitive. BD isn't just easy to market, he's a star. The Clippers are going to matter.
You all know that I could go on and on, and work myself up into a frenzy. But what do you think? What do you know and remember and like about BD and his effect on the Clips and their prospects?
Consider Club Optimism open for business, with Baron Davis standing at the door and welcoming you with the warmest of greetings.
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Welcome back
How was the JMT?
You are exactly right. BD is the first star player (in any sport) that I can remember who had the stones to sign with a struggling franchise and try to make his mark. And it brings him home, too.
Just watch this if you need to get any more excited.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on Aug 5, 2008 2:22 PM PDT 0 recs
Actually
I prefer this version. It even has music.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on
Aug 5, 2008 2:25 PM PDT
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JMT was great
Just did the Tuolomme-Reds Meadow (Mammoth) part, but I just got a report that my buddy is leaving Evolution Valley today and heading for Muir Pass. Not too crowded, but met some nice folk. And a lot of people are doing the whole thing fairly quickly, 10-14 days. Quite a hike.
So am I wrong, or are we giving BD short shrift?
You know me, I can talk about Brian Skinner vs. Josh Powell all day, or Knight/Hart, or Marcus Williams. DeAndre Jordan is a great topic. And of course no one wants me to start on Fazekas. But it just seems like all of it is relatively inconsequential, with none of these guys (except maybe Hart) in a position to be rotation players.
There’s also FElton and Stefanski and the Sixers. Nice deal for Louis Williams—sounds like they picked up the pace on making that deal after they heard that GSW might make an offer, before they signed their Marcus Williams. But what does that do to Andre Miller, and what does Andre Miller with a year left on his deal and a valued backup remind you of? On the Clippers his backup was Jaric. It’s pretty amazing that no one has said a single word about the wonderful season that FElton and AMiller already spent together, when they clearly forged a close bond (not). Sixers haven’t made a deal with Iggy yet. All that being said, Stefanski does seem to be doing a good job and I give him credit.
The next topic is going to be Kaman and the Olympics. But I thought we should try to show BD some love before that starts up.
by citizen zhiv on
Aug 5, 2008 3:22 PM PDT
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Haven't you heard?
Andre Miller is now an elite NBA PG. Especially now that he has EB
F-Elton!
by mikey p on
Aug 6, 2008 7:42 AM PDT
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BD is our first star
BD is really the first star we have signed (although we did sign Bill Walton but by that time he was old and was far past his prime) . Also the first clipper in a long time to have a noticeable off court personality as seen in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7Od4H9uIJ8.
by bestclipfan on Aug 5, 2008 3:55 PM PDT 0 recs
link fix
by bestclipfan on Aug 5, 2008 3:56 PM PDT 0 recs
Ok
Nash does a nice robot. That was funny. They were clearly in Santa Monica.
Did that cop have any idea who they were?
I just hope BD doesn’t hurt himself with all of these roller skates and bikes on the beach.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on
Aug 6, 2008 7:41 AM PDT
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Welcome back CZ
You hit the nail on the head with this one. Lost in all the disappointment of FElton defecting is the aquisition of BD, and that is just not fair. BD is something that this organization has NEVER had….a pure PG who can take over a game at any point, and hit that big shot for you to win a game, or better yet create a shot for someone else to win it as well. I know we all love Shaun L., and hope he recovers from his injury, but he never was going to be “the man” at the end of games. Cassell tried his best, and succeeded more often than not, but his limitations were evident. BD is “The MAN”....and he should be recognized for it. I just can’t imagine how much better his teammates will be with him on the court. I am getting excited about it already, and it’s not even training camp yet!
I welcome the site of BD at the entrance to Club Optimism….he is the perfect “doorman”.
by Clip Show on Aug 5, 2008 4:08 PM PDT 0 recs
Nice work CZ....
As a Bruin fan, I can still clearly remember when Baron Davis blew out his knee in the NCAA tourney. It was heartbreaking…........Man did he have amazing hops!!!
He is coming home to LA and is truly a person with star qualities. He is also an athlete who brings heart to the competition. When he is in shape and leading the way, he naturally inspires those around him.
Barring a major injury to Baron or both CK & MC…........I believe we have a realistic shot to make the playoffs and win a series in the wild wild west just as G State did 2 yrs ago.
Go Clippers!!!
by tha MaDD Sientist on Aug 5, 2008 4:57 PM PDT 0 recs
i think baron will be great... the warriors fans i know miss him dearly
i have lived in the bay area for the last year and a half, moved here just before their “magical playoff run” that also threw the 06-07 clips out of the 8th spot.
that said, i actaully know the guy who started teh “we believe” campaign (oddly he owns a hawaiian bbq in the town i moved into and i met him by coincidence). that guy i think was crushed by the baron leaving as well as many others here who now , hate the cliippers haha.
the irony was that i met he “we believe” campaign guy (paul wong, of alameda, i swear google it) while buying food at his restaurant with a clippers shirt on, and we ended up trash talking about our two 8th seed hopefuls. this guy was the same guy who as i walked into his restaurant one day informs me that felton blew out his achilles WHILE laughing haha.
baron is going to be great. he was the heart and soul and leader of the warriors. all their fans know it. thats why the warriors are going to be terrible this year. people banded around baron that entire year and the next year,... hell people were growing beards around him.
i am definitely going to get a baron jersey (to replace.. my felton one…. whcih replaced an odom one.. sadly). i started ucla the year after he left for the nba…. just missed him there.
by hans007 on Aug 5, 2008 5:06 PM PDT 0 recs
The clippers should let us trade our Felton jerseys for Baron ones
I’d gladly give them my autographed EB jersey for a Baron.
by bestclipfan on Aug 5, 2008 5:28 PM PDT 0 recs
I wonder ...
Zhiv, you mention Clipper annals, and it got me wondering. Is there an archivist for these? And is he annal retentive?
Seriously folks, I thought optimism was essential to Clipper fandom. That, or masochism. Sign me up for the former.
by pipedreams on Aug 5, 2008 8:20 PM PDT 0 recs
Man.....
Im a local at gsom. And i have to admit ive sat on both sides of this fence. Missing him / Being logical looking at our future. And i was pretty well on my way to being over Baron. But watching that video is like looking at a piture of an ex that you thought you were over…. but then you see them and your heart knows you still have feelings. That video of him dunking on AK is basketball porno. Gets my blood flowing everytime. I really fuckin hope he tears an ACL and you Clips never get to experience him. If we cant have him NO ONE CAN!!!!
jk about the ACL thing. but he if he ever lays a dunk on Brandan Wright or god help me Kosta Perovic “19” as Baron called him cause he never thought about learning his name lol. I will poison his cats.
I am Greg Oden, i am goingz to be trade to The Warrior. hoooray.
Warriors for life. Raiders till death. And The A's when i get free tickets.
by STIX on Aug 5, 2008 10:23 PM PDT 0 recs
Ahhh, Raiders I see
We take try to keep it clean ‘round here please. Cursing isn’t banned, but at least save it for a worthwhile moment.
Like when Baron dunks on Brandan Wright and someone posts the video at GSoM.
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
by John R on
Aug 6, 2008 8:55 AM PDT
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what about poisoning cats....
is that still cool ?
I am Greg Oden, i am goingz to be trade to The Warrior. hoooray.
Warriors for life. Raiders till death. And The A's when i get free tickets.
by STIX on
Aug 6, 2008 11:53 AM PDT
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Empty threats are probably ok, just in bad taste
If you:
1) Know for a fact he has cats
2) Know where these cats are and have access to travel and the premises
3) Are familiar with the poisoning process
Then its probably not cool.
Why not just express disappointment like a healthy, normal person?
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
by John R on
Aug 6, 2008 12:55 PM PDT
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Nice post STIX
We feel your pain – many of us will miss Corey as well. True professional.
Don’t forget, BD’s an LA guy. Those of us who are Bruins fans have been waiting for this moment for a long time.
by Jax on
Aug 6, 2008 9:10 AM PDT
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Yea.....
Baron was like that huge friend you have…. the one where you talk smack to everyone else who is around because you know this guy has your back. He didnt back down from anyone and to know that another team has that guy sucks.
I am Greg Oden, i am goingz to be trade to The Warrior. hoooray.
Warriors for life. Raiders till death. And The A's when i get free tickets.
by STIX on
Aug 6, 2008 11:55 AM PDT
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stop with the BillSimmons-esque analogies...
you’re like a pop culture reference, you’re annoying…
corey for baron trade isnt thaaaat bad, he’ll be perfect for nellieball
by althornton4president on
Aug 8, 2008 5:37 PM PDT
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personally.... i smoke weed.
So i can sit and bable and day dream all the motherj-ohnr i want. And you cant do CLIPPERS about it. So why dont suck my Mike Dunleavy before i go Bay Area and shoot you in your Livingston. Beyatch.
I am Greg Oden, i am goingz to be trade to The Warrior. hoooray.
Warriors for life. Raiders till death. And The A's when i get free tickets.
by STIX on
Aug 10, 2008 12:06 AM PDT
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mother-johnr
I am Greg Oden, i am goingz to be trade to The Warrior. hoooray.
Warriors for life. Raiders till death. And The A's when i get free tickets.
by STIX on
Aug 10, 2008 12:06 AM PDT
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Why did you correct that typo out of all of them?
Though I can see why you have Jax’s respect.
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
by John R on
Aug 10, 2008 11:37 AM PDT
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There are many ways to deal with depression, John R
Ask your therapist
by Jax on
Aug 10, 2008 6:21 PM PDT
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C'mon Jax
Is that all you have? That’s weak sauce right there.
You surely can’t deny that you’ve shown the pothead respect through your comments?
Get me BD and 75 and I'm in
by John R on
Aug 11, 2008 7:56 AM PDT
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And you surely can't deny that you have feminine characteristics...
and a very strong urge to be morally just. Smells like a cover-up…. are you a priest?
I am Greg Oden, i am goingz to be trade to The Warrior. hoooray.
Warriors for life. Raiders till death. And The A's when i get free tickets.
by STIX on
Aug 12, 2008 12:36 AM PDT
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Glad Baron's here
Baron Davis seems like an awesome guy, I just hope he can beat Chauncey Billups in the matchup at NBA Gauntlet. He’s losing by a bit now, and no one’s argued why he should win.
by mindfeck on Aug 6, 2008 11:32 AM PDT 0 recs
Just in case people were still unsure....
here is BD’s top 10 plays from 2007
Baron top 10
I think it’s safe to say that no Clipper ever has had a highlight reel quite like this…and this only from one year! I can’t wait to see him do these sorts of things in the good old red, white and blue.
by Clip Show on Aug 6, 2008 4:50 PM PDT 0 recs




