Assessing the 08-09 Clippers
Trying to predict the fortunes of an NBA team before the season has started is an undertaking fraught with peril. I was pretty sure that the 06-07 Clippers were going to be very, very good. And they finished 40-42. Nearly everyone thought the 07-08 Lakers were at best an 8th seed, and they finished as Western Conference Champions. It goes without saying that some eventualities simply can't be foreseen, except perhaps by Nostradamus or the FSM. Significant injuries to, say, all of a team's point guards, or all of their, you know, players, can invalidate even the most insightful prognostication. As can the addition of 7 foot Spaniards. But even when a team remains relatively unchanged, it can be very difficult to know what to expect. Unless perhaps that team is the ever-so-predictable Spurs.
With a new star, three new starters, seven new names in the 10-man rotation and ten new faces overall, the 08-09 Los Angeles Clippers pose a particularly difficult challenge. Will this team be very good, good, bad or very bad? Yes, it will. One of those - I'm pretty sure.
With Elton Brand playing power forward somewhere back East (who cares, really), the franchise has lost its face. But, at the same time it has found it's face - the much-hairier visage of Baron Davis.
While reasonable people are free to disagree, I think that Baron is an upgrade over Brand as 'star of the team'. Here's why:
- He plays a more important position. Point guard is the engine that runs any team. In crucial situations, you want the ball in the hands of your best player. When that player happens to be your point guard, it's a lot easier to make that happen. Davis is by some accounts a top 5 point guard in the NBA. Regardless of where you rank him, he's damn good.
- He is a massive upgrade at the position. With the exception of Sam Cassell in 05-06, to call the Clippers' point guard play sub-par would be a massive understatement. Two seasons ago they played the last two months with Jason Hart as the starter. Last season, Brevin Knight and Dan Dickau split the duties. Before that it was Rick Brunson, and on and on. Baron Davis is, without ever having played a game, the best point guard in LA Clippers history. (Sam Cassell's 18.5 PER in 05-06 is the best ever by a Clipper point guard. Baron's career PER is 18.5, and he's been above that mark in four of his last five seasons.)
- He is a winner. Baron Davis and Elton Brand were picked first and third in the 1999 draft. Baron has been to the playoffs five times in nine seasons. Elton Brand once. Does the rest of the team and fate and blind luck play a part in that? Sure. But consider that Baron Davis joined the Warriors when they had missed the playoffs 10 consecutive seasons and led them to an unprecedented first round win over a number one seed.
- He is clutch. How many game winners has Baron Davis hit in his NBA career? How many has Elton Brand hit? OK, I don't know the answers, but I guarantee you that Davis has hit more - a lot more. I've watched practically every game Elton Brand has played as a Clipper, and I can remember maybe two game winners. But there was a time you couldn't watch SportsCenter without seeing a BD buzzer beater. It's unscientific to be sure, but a YouTube search of Baron Davis game winner returns 32 results (some of them videos of the same game admittedly). A search of Elton Brand game winner returns 4 results - none of them acutal Elton Brand game winners.
This last point is huge. Even at the height of Clipper-mania prior to the 2006 season, I could not ignore this particular flaw in Elton Brand, and consequently in the Clippers. He isn't a the kind of scorer who can get the team a crucial bucket in the final minute of a close game. Baron Davis is. And it matters.
It's also worth noting that Baron Davis and Chris Kaman as your two best players is a better combination that Elton Brand and Chris Kaman. As interesting as it would have been to see a healthy Brand playing with Kaman 2.0, they are both inside players. Anyone who thinks it would be better to have two great inside players than to have one great inside player and one great perimeter player is flat wrong.
Of course, the changes this summer went way beyond the departure of Elton Brand and the arrival of Baron Davis. Gone from the Clippers' 2006 playoff team are Brand, Corey Maggette, Shaun Livingston, Sam Cassell and Quinton Ross. There have been lots of references to 'Baron for Brand' or 'Baron and Camby for Brand and Maggette' this summer. But the fact is, the situation is far more complex than can be summed up in a straightforward player swap. The team is different - vastly different. And as such, it can't be compared to prior Clipper teams. We know it will be better than last year's team - but any healthy NBA team would be better than last year's team (with the possible exception of the Grizzlies). Will it be good enough?
There's reason enough for optimism. If you're a fan of Win Score, then you have to love the Clippers' new 'big three'. Of course, unless you read the Wages of Wins journal regularly, you may be a little surprised at who the Clippers best player is, based on Wins Produced - that would be Marcus Camby, whose .365 'wins per 48 minutes' ranked him fourth in the NBA behind Chris Paul, Kevin Garnett and Dwight Howard. Now, it goes without saying that WP48 is a less than universally accepted measurement, and that the knock against it is that it overvalues rebounding and undervalues scoring. If you believe in WP48, then Camby, Kaman (.233 WP48) and Baron (.177 WP48) are a very good 'big three'. But live by the WoW, die by the WoW - Wins Produced also ranks Al Thornton and Tim Thomas as among the WORST players in the NBA.
On the other end of the advanced statistics spectrum is PER. Here, the picture is decidedly different. The Clippers best player by PER (Baron) was ranked about 28th last season - with only 30 teams in the league, you can see that it makes him theoretically one of the 'worst best players' in the NBA. But Camby and Kaman both contribute solid PER numbers (as does Steve Novak, albeit in extremely limited minutes), and Thonton, Ricky Davis, Thomas, Jason Williams and Cat Mobley all have respectable PERs - so while the conventional wisdom says that the Clippers don't have a lot of depth, by PER at any rate, they go eight or nine deep, and that's without relying on contributions from Eric Gordon or DeAndre Jordan.
Which is just another example of how unpredictable this team is. WoW would say that they have a terrific top three, but that the supporting cast is horrendous. PER would say that the supporting cast is pretty good, but that the stars are not studs.
My feeling is that two things will determine how good this team will be (and I'm not going to include injuries in the discussion - it goes without saying that they have to enjoy relatively good health): Baron Davis and chemistry.
I guess I'm surprised (and certainly pleased) that expectations are not higher for this team based simply on Davis' addition. As I mentioned before, the Warriors had missed the playoffs 10 consecutive seasons, and were among the worst teams in the league when they traded for Davis in February 2005. In three plus seasons in Oakland, the Warriors were 125-102 with Davis in the lineup. They overcame lots of serious injuries (including to Davis himself) to make the playoffs and defeat the Mavs in 2007, and they won 48 games last year - a terrific season, despite missing the playoffs. He's an impact player, and certainly a leader. If he was able to have such a positive effect up north, imagine the possibilities in his LA homecoming. There's no question that he is motivated.
As for chemistry, there's just no way of knowing. How will all of these pieces fit together? Among the more vexing questions:
- Can Camby and Kaman be productive on the floor at the same time? Some have criticized the acquisition of Camby as being redundant. But it's a non-issue on offense, where Camby, limited though he is, will not need to occupy low-post space. They actually complement each other well on offense, with Kaman taking the block, and Camby ready to shoot the elbow jumper. The fact that Camby is an excellent passer is just a bonus. And defense would seem to be the strong suit for a Camby-Kaman pairing. They are two of the best shot blockers in the league, and two of the best defensive rebounders. Can one of them guard a power forward? The short answer is yes. In fact, you may recall that Kaman often drew the quicker big (Duncan instead of Elson, Nowitzki instead Diop, etc) when he played alongside Brand, and Camby can guard most fours as well. Teams that play small may create some problems, but the Clippers will create headaches for them as well.
- Can erstwhile black sheep Ricky Davis, Tim Thomas and Jason Williams be productive role players for the Clippers? This is a huge question. This trio is extremely talented. And they have all been accused of being lazy or selfish or dumb - and sometimes all three. But you're talking about three guys with the talent to start in the NBA - all coming off the bench. I believe that Baron Davis' personality helped to keep Stephen Jackson on the straight and narrow with the Warriors - can he have a similar impact on this group? Davis and Williams will likely have something to prove this season after having to settle for less money than they believed they were worth. But make no mistake - in our chemistry experiment, these are some volatile elements.
- Can Al Thornton be a reliable, consistent scoring option? Thornton showed signs of brilliance last season. And lots of inconsistency. The simple fact is, he was playing on a very, very bad team. And he was often the only legitimate scoring threat. It's not hard to imagine a rookie being inconsistent in that situation. In fact, what's much more surprising is that he was able to have as much success as he did. Along with Baron Davis, Thornton is a second perimeter player who can create his own shot. This is not to be discounted in the NBA. The talent is there - he just needs to develop the consistency and discipline, but there is a school of thought that says the Clippers will be as good as Thornton this season.
I will say (stealing an observation from Kevin at Clipperblog) that Baron Davis and Marcus Camby immediately become the two best passers on the Clippers, and the best passers the team has had in many seasons. Whether by happenstance or design, the team has simply not been blessed with solid delivery guys. To the point where a simple post-entry pass has been an adventure. Passing is an underrated (and difficult to quantify) skill in the NBA - and it also happens to be something that tends to improve team chemistry. Remember those extremely successful Sacramento Kings teams of the beginning of the decade? Why did they have such good on-court chemistry? Well, I think a big part of it was the fact that Vlade Divac, Chris Webber and Brad Miller were all great passers.
In the end, there are theoretical answers for all of the Clippers off-season questions. Can they replace Elton Brand's production? Not entirely, but Kaman's emergence as a legitimate low-post option last season and Camby's defense and rebounding mitigate most of the loss. Can the Clippers replace Maggette's offense? Thornton stands ready to try - and he's even pretty good at getting to the line. How much will they get from the shooting guard position? Cat Mobley is still a legitimate contributor and more than capable of being a fourth scoring option, and Ricky Davis has the potential to be a great bench scorer. Meanwhile, Eric Gordon waits in the wings to take over. Do they have enough depth? In a word, yes.
All of which puts them in the mix for a playoff spot in my book.
Consider this: in three of the last four seasons, the Clippers have remained in contention for the playoffs into the final month of the season. This despite the fact that Rick Brunson and Jason Hart were running two of those teams. It tells me that when Mike Dunleavy Sr. has had the talent (he did not last season), the Clippers have been competitive. They have the talent this season. But will it be enough in the ultra-competitive Western Conference? Ask Nostradamus.
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Expectations
Great post. I’m curious about the timetable for posting from here on out; or rather, the Clippers schedule over the next 5-6 weeks and what we have to look forward to. But this is the start, and let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
It is interesting that there hasn’t been any discernible general elevation of expectations for the Clippers, despite the additions of BDavis, Camby, RDavis, JWill, rookies, etc. But the reason is obvious—expectations spiked extremely high for about 72 hours before the FElton debacle set in, and the Clipper response was more than solid, but all of the intrigue and attention make it hard for the average pundit not to start with Brand’s departure as the primary headline.
The one thing that might be questioned here is a subtle aspect of the logic of the “one great inside player and one great perimeter player” statement. Yes, it’s obvious that that’s better than “two great inside players.” But it gets a little tricky from there. Baron and Brand would have clearly been great perimeter/great inside players. Kaman without Brand was a great inside player. We’ll never know now how Kaman and Brand might have coexisted, there’s no absolute certainty that Kaman would have been “great” playing alongside Brand, and it doesn’t matter. And it’s still a big question whether Kaman can be the one “great inside player” (GIP) in the equation, especially over the course of the season and into the playoffs. The good news is that Camby seems particularly well-suited to give Kaman the space and even feed him, to complement him and give him a lot more opportunities to be the GIP, and as you point out, having BDavis and two superior passers will help.
That’s why I think that the need for Kaman 2.0 to show up, and possibly roll out 2.5 or even 3.0 is my own first focus, and I’m not ready to subscribe to the “as Thornton goes” school. The Clips have the GPP in Baron. But if Kaman can be a legitimate GIP, with Camby alongside him rebounding, defending, and passing, then the Clips should be in good shape.
Just a quick initial take. So many other things to consider.
by citizen zhiv on Sep 22, 2008 8:49 PM PDT 0 recs
I’d rate Baron as the third best PG in the league today and the only other PG who can go toe-to-toe with Chris Paul and Deron Williams. He’s very very good.
Anyway, back to the expectations, I think it’s very hard to set down expectations for this team. The season could go in so many different directions based on how ready the youth are (primarily Gordon+Thornton) and how the role players fit in from there (they’ll be more effective if the youngsters are better). The Clippers could struggle to the mid 30’s, or blossom into a 50 win team. I see a huge swing factor on the table and that makes it difficult for me to have set expectations. It’s sort of wait and hope, and see how it plays out … and after seeing where the younger ones are then set firmer expectations for the rest of the season.
The area of this team that I worry about the most is scoring. After Baron Davis there’s a lack of established high quality scoring options. This is why I think the youth have such a big role, because I think Gordon and Thornton possibly could answer that.
by NBR on Sep 22, 2008 9:07 PM PDT 0 recs
I don't view offense as the problem
Maybe it’s just because I lived through last season’s debacle, but Davis is a premier scorer, Thornton can score, and Kaman will either draw a double team or torch man-to-man. Then you’ve got Ricky Davis who can light it up, and Tim Thomas and Cat Mobley who are competent scorers. But I do worry about the simple fact that many of these guys just aren’t ‘two way’ players. Baron and Kaman will do their parts on both ends of the floor. But if you have to have Ricky and Timmy on the floor, defense and rebounding take a big hit, and Thornton was offense lost on defense last season. Likewise, Camby is not really helping a lot on offense. So, particularly when Baron or Kaman is resting, the team has some weaknesses on the floor. But right now I’m more curious about stopping people, particularly in the absence of a really good perimeter defender.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by ClipperSteve on
Sep 22, 2008 9:30 PM PDT
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The defense on the wings is second on my list of concerns.
Scoring ranks higher for me because while I think the Clippers have several guys who can get 10-12 points, I think they could (again the youth) end up lacking top scoring options that go for 18-22 points. There’s a huge amount of pressure on Baron Davis offensively, an unhealthy burden. If Gordon or Thornton can alleviate it …. then great (even if they’re just 15ppg scorers, that could work alongside Kaman’s scoring).
I don’t think that’s certain though, which is why I feel there’s a big swing factor …. I think scoring is the biggest variable rather than rebounding/defense which are more certain …. there.
by NBR on
Sep 23, 2008 6:51 AM PDT
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That's cool
I get it. A lot depends on guys like Cat Mobley, Ricky Davis, Tim Thomas… one time scorers in the league, now in their 30s, looking a little frayed around the edges. Your point is well taken – Baron is option 1 – and they have lots of guys who can be option 4 or 5 or 6… but who is the legit option 2 and option 3? Kaman is probably 3 – if he has to be 2, it’s an issue.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by ClipperSteve on
Sep 23, 2008 8:35 AM PDT
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It's difficult
to set expectations high for a team that has never played together before. However, it is enough that they have a chance.
by Jax on Sep 22, 2008 9:29 PM PDT 0 recs
Well put
We’ll take it.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by ClipperSteve on
Sep 22, 2008 9:30 PM PDT
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yes...
this was true for Boston’s Three Party as well…and we all know the results of that!
by Lawler's Law on
Sep 22, 2008 10:07 PM PDT
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I agree with Zhiv – great post CS. Goes waaaay beyond the typical drivel and considers the nuances and complexities that will drive the Clippers success (or lack thereof) this season.
I must agree wholeheartedly about the value that BD brings to the most important position on the floor. I daresay I would still be excited if BD were a SG or SF signing that were just as "effective" (however you wish to quantify it) as BD has been at PG, but the fact that he is a PG totally elevates the importance of this addition. In any other role, BD is certainly an upgrade but the value is largely limited to that position. Not at PG – the value addition there is multiplicative in terms of value he adds to other positions as well.
I also agree that trying to assess the Clips’ moves as "EB/CM for BD/MC" is a gross oversimplification. Remember what it was like in 06-07 when the Clips would bring in their second unit in each game and you still felt good about the Clips’ ability to maintain (or even extend) their lead in the subsequent minutes? Alas, the Clips’ bench has been a huge void since those days – the drop off from first to second unit has become much too substantial.
The best teams have true depth in their bench, and as you point out, the wild card here is the contribution to be had from RDavis, JWilliams and TThomas. I’ve said on earlier posts that I believe TThomas might surprise people this year in a bench role – he’ll never be a true starter, but we don’t need him for that (unless injuries return). While I don’t believe the Clips are so dependent on these three guys that they will fail miserably if this trio falls back into bad habits, I do believe that if they can step up, the chances for team success increase substantially.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted" – Albert Einstein
by Another son of Mike Smith on Sep 22, 2008 9:31 PM PDT 0 recs
Not only that, but ...
I think there will some synergy, too. If Thornton, the 2nd-year guy is having a bad night, he won’t have to force it, as there will be other ways for him to contribute, and others to take up the slack — such as Gordon, perhaps.
Also, I believe — for no very good reason — that passing feeds on itself. If guys know they’ll get the ball when they move, they’ll move. And, if they move, other guys will tend to see the opportunities open up to be passers, too.
And finally — Nooobody expects the Spanish C addition! (Sorry — the Palin mania got to me!)
by pipedreams on Sep 23, 2008 12:30 PM PDT 0 recs
I agree that passing feeds on itself
However, I’m not sure the Clippers have enough good passers to get to the tipping point. Still, Baron and Camby are a step in the right direction for sharing the ball. I’m looking forward to Camby to Thornton lob passes.
I liked the Python reference… well played. Not sure how it’s related to Palin mania however.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by ClipperSteve on
Sep 23, 2008 3:38 PM PDT
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Oh, OK
Um, I think in 2008 when you refer to Palin mania it has to do with Sarah Palin. I’m just saying. And speaking of Sarah Palin… “She’s a witch! She turned me into a newt!”
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by ClipperSteve on
Sep 23, 2008 8:37 PM PDT
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Great post...
I buzzed it up. Don’t know what that does, but?
by swamigusto on Sep 23, 2008 2:48 PM PDT 0 recs
Buzz...
If you buzz it up, it gets distributed by Yahoo, I guess.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by ClipperSteve on
Sep 23, 2008 3:39 PM PDT
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Playoffs
Too much talent for them to completely miss.
Where they seed is another story. I think Al Thornton will be decisive. If he is a budding star, they can be a top team. But how good will he be? Is his ceiling Paul Pierce or is it Gerald Wallace?
Big difference.
F-Elton!
by mikey p on Sep 23, 2008 3:29 PM PDT 0 recs
Great post
Great post Steve. So good that after reading this blog for several months, it compelled me to finally register.
Great, thorough analysis. While understandably optimistic and slightly homerish, if you can’t be excited about the team right now, you’re an overly negative person. The franchise hasn’t had this much talent in years, and has NEVER had a star of Baron’s caliber.
First and foremost, I completely and utterly agree with your assessment of Baron vs. Brand. The guy is probably the most underrated superstar in the league. As Dun put it, he can go wherever he wants to on the floor, and he is indeed clutch like few others in the league.
I also love the point about Baron’s impact in Golden State. I followed that team closely and his leadership and impact on his teammates was considerable. Stephen Jackson went from being exhiled from Indiana b/c of the Palace debacle, to being a team captain and even being given some all-star consideration (however briefly) last season. It takes good leadership for someone to make that kind of change.
In the lockerroom, players respect Baron and he’s easy to get along with. On the court, as Eric Mussleman put it so well, players fear Baron because he’s one of the few players in the league who can flat out embarrass them.
I also think the talk of him potentially clashing with Dunleavy is absurd. It’s spoken by people who don’t really follow the team and are thus applying generalizations. “Dunleavy’s a taskmaster,” and “Baron likes freedom.” Well guess what? The reality is that Dunleavy has successfully coached MANY stars in this league who had questionable relationships with other coaches, and every player like the league likes freedom. Before Sam came here, he had a rep for having attitude problems. Yet Dunleavy gave him the reigns and he was essentially Dun’s coach on the floor. How many times did we see Sam run up the court and jack up a shot with 20 seconds on the clock? Not to mention that up in Portland, he coached a pretty good team led by perennial troublemakers Rasheed Wallace and Bonzi Wells. Yet both of those guys respected Dunleavy and in fact flourished under him. Both have had some of their most productive years under Dun.
Dun understands that stars need some slack. As long as he TRUSTS and RESPECTS the player, he’ll give them that slack. He never trusted or respected guys like Wilcox and Maggette, and that’s why he had problems with them. There’s no question that he trusts and respects Baron Davis.
I strongly believe that as long as the team can stay fairly healthy (that means Baron, Camby and Kaman all play over 65 games), the Clippers will be in the playoffs
by madglove on Sep 23, 2008 5:33 PM PDT 1 recs
Thanks
I think and hope you are right about MDsr. Certainly he gives some players more leeway than others, and certainly he was willing to turn the team over to Sam. So hopefully it will be the same with Baron.
And welcome to the light. I’m glad you stopped lurking in the shadows.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by ClipperSteve on
Sep 23, 2008 8:57 PM PDT
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Madglove!
Good to see you over here at CNation. I’m actually kinda surprised that there aren’t more refugees from the ESPN board.
Hoping that the new Clips have a great season—ready to get started.
by citizen zhiv on
Sep 24, 2008 1:56 PM PDT
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Awesome response... to an awesome post! September?! Nah!
You guys just creamed September.
by swamigusto on
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Thornton
The posts here seem overly concerned about Thornton’s ability to score. That concern is overblown. I rate him as a clear number two scorer on this team. He can shoot 3’s, shoot mid range jumpers, take it to the rim, and run the floor. Don’t forget that he tied the all-time Clipper record for points in one game (could have broke it but missed two free throws at the end) and broke 30 points at least 3 or 4 times last season. Has Kaman ever had a 30 point game in his 6 season career? Look it up……..
In just one game last year, I saw Thornton make a running hook shot, knock down a couple of threes, perform a running base line double-pump slam dunk on the other side of the hoop, and sink a cross-over fade away 20 footer to put that game into OT. Has anyone ever seen Maggette (a number two scorer) make any of these types of plays during his entire career (except an occasional 3-pointer), much less send a game into OT?
I’ve seen this guy run into Shaq on the break and still knock down a bank shot from about 8 feet. This guy was drawing double teams during a stretch of the season because of his scoring ability. Unfortunately, Al had some difficulties dealing with the double team, particularly when there were few viable scoring options to locate. This year will likely be different and better for Al when the double teams come. How many 3rd scoring options command a double team? How many rookies get doubled?
This guy can jump, run, and shoot. He can be creative with the basketball when looking to score. He is a physical specimen. How many scorers in the NBA have these attributes? If he learns to pass and improves his ball handling, watch out! He has all-star quality skills.
by Jerdog on Sep 23, 2008 5:58 PM PDT 0 recs
I love Al
He’s got all the tools. I think the concerns are primarily two-fold: for all of those highlight reel plays he made last season, he too frequently followed up great games with horrible clunkers – 1 for 11, 3 for 17, that sort of thing. I tend to think that as a rookie on a really bad team with so few other options, he simply got stuck some games. He wasn’t on, and there was no one to pass to. So yes, he needs to get better at finding his teammates, and hopefully having more talent around will help him avoid the real stinker games. The second thing is the dreaded sophomore slump. There’s a reason it happens. Scouting reports get better, defenders start taking things away. Al does not seem to be dependent on any one move – he’s got the full arsenal, so he may be immune to the sophomore slump. At any rate, let’s hope he is.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by ClipperSteve on
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clipper leadership
CS, you mention a lot about Baron Davis leadership on the effect on Jason Williams, Tim Thomas and Ricky Davis while also pointing out his impact on Stephen Jackson in Golden State. I am curious about the contribution of other veteran players, particularly Cat Mobley, on the chemistry development on the team, or even Kamen 2.0. Is Kamen a possible leader? To put all the onus of leadership on Baron Davis seems to be asking a lot, and I doubt Jason Williams could be detrimental since he’s been a winner everywhere he’s played. Seems to he should be getting more credit for what he will bring to the Clippers.
As it is for all teams, a key to Clippers’ season will also be defense…. can any of these guys play D beside Kamen and Camby? Total defensive effort wins games, as we all saw with the Clipppers. If I was MD, I would make that the focus on my training camp.
by clippers#1 on Sep 23, 2008 7:35 PM PDT 0 recs
Some good questions...
Baron Davis is a good defender when he wants to be… he tends to gamble a lot, which frankly is not a bad thing with Kaman and Camby defending the rim behind him. Cat Mobley is a very solid, underrated defender… although his lateral quickness is not great. He is the proverbial savvy vet, and knows all the tricks. Few in the league are better at ‘raking’ the ball when the ball handler goes up for a shot. Beyond that… it’s gets pretty bleak. Al Thornton has the skills to be a good defender, and the coaching staff seemed to think he was making strides last year, but he still has a ways to go. Eric Gordon could be a terrific defender. In both cases, these guys are incredible athletes with all the tools to defend – they’ll just have to work hard to get better. But defense is as much about commitment to the scheme as anything. MDsr likes him a nice help and rotate system – if everyone is on the same page, it can be super effective. But blown rotations lead to layups, and the weak links get exposed quickly.
I don’t see Kaman as a leader. He’s just too quirky. Maybe he’ll prove me wrong. Camby is a quiet leader, not unlike Brand, and he should be a positive locker room presence as indeed he was in Denver. Cat can provide leadership as well. But it needs to be Baron’s team.
White Chocolate is definitely getting a bum rap when I lump him in with Ricky and Timmy. The fact is, he tended to be out of control in Sacto, taking long threes and making ill-advised if often spectacular passes, but that was many years ago. He’s been a solid to very solid starting NBA point guard ever since he went to Memphis, and he was the starting point guard on the NBA champs a few seasons back. He’ll be fine and should be a good team leader if he’s healthy. One thing I hadn’t thought of before is that he and Baron could actually be on the floor together. Again, if he’s healthy, he may be the Clippers second best guard.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
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Kaman's leadership
I agree with CS I don’t see Kaman being a leader just because he dosen’t have the leaders mentality. But I could see Mobley being a leader along with BD.
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