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Baron vs. Dunleavy

The Clippers poor season is nothing new here to citizens of Clips Nation. Of course, there are a myriad of reasons for the Clippers 10-33 record to this point. I'd like to use this post to highlight two of the bigger and more talked about ones: Baron Davis and Mike Dunleavy.

I'll start off by saying that you probably know where I stand here. I've been frustrated with Baron Davis' play since the first quarter of the first game against the Lakers. ClipperSteve has already made a post about how bad Baron has been. That's just the statistical side, though. Baron looked completely apathetic when he was on the floor, and now he's got himself a boo boo. Okay, maybe that was a little harsh, but I expected a lot more out of our $65 million man who was also one of my favorite players last year. Maybe coming back home has actually been a bad thing for him, since it looks like his priority list has put his production company, grandma's cooking and flyfishing ahead of basketball. I for one feel that he has an obligation to try, or at least look like he is, on the court. However, he takes out his frustration with Dunleavy's offense in the form of terrible shots. He wants to run and gun, and he refuses to suceed without getting everything the way he wants it. Look, he needs to learn that there are other ways to win basketball games. He's more than capable of gettting it done in the halfcourt, if he tries. He's a 29 year old baby to put it simply. Last year, ESPN the magazine published an article on Baron and his quest for a title. He was a Warrior at the time, but when I read the article I felt like Baron had what it took to get to the promised land. Unfortunately, since sporting the Clipper jersey, Baron has acted like he deserves the respect of a champion without ever actually coming close to one. Last year, he had a swagger that almost created an aura about him. It was a confidence that the other guy couldn't beat him, no way, now how. Now, though, that swagger has turned into arrogance. He rolls his eyes at every non-call due to this disproportionate sense of entitlement. In arguing these calls, he was picking up technical fouls at a Rasheed Wallace like rate. His emotions are in all the wrong places. He needs to step it up a notch...or five.

As scathing as that may have sounded, I've thought over this issue a lot and I'm not going to ignore the other side of this argument. Interestingly enough, the other side seems to be coach Mike Dunleavy. In my time here at Clips Nation this season, I've found that the Baron supporters have blamed Mike Dunleavy for his struggles. This is a more than valid point. I want to make it clear that even though I criticize Baron, I'd like to say that I feel that Dunleavy should shoulder the blame. He signed Baron in the offseason, and he knew what Baron's strengths were. He should have the flexibility to open up the offense to accodomate his new star player. This whole iso offense is not conducive to Baron's style of play. Before the season started, I remember ClipperSteve making a post commenting on how the Clippers got a whole lot more athletic with the complete turnover in personnel. Dunleavy didn't really change his offense, though. He kept relying on the same offense. It works with Elton Brand, but he should change for Baron. If he was really expecting to get all $65 million out of Baron, he should have at least given him the opportunity to show what he did last year at Golden State. There has to be some sort of middle ground, at the very least. Unlike many of the people on this side of the argument, I do find Dunleavy to be an adequate coach. However, there are many flaws in his system, and I think his lack of flexibility is one of them. Being old school is one thing, but signing a big time free agent and not giving him some leeway is another thing all together.

Well, I think I've looked at both sides of the coin fairly evenly (Okay, I have an opinion too, but at least I examined the other side). I think that it might be time for these two rival camps to make a peace treaty. Those who feel it's Baron's fault should acknowledge that Dunleavy has played a big role in Baron's declined play. Those who feel that it's Dunleavy's fault shoult acknowledge Baron's lack of effort during certain times.

Anyways, I feel like I should open this discussion to the nice folks here at Clips Nation. There are a lot of opinions going around, and this seems like a good place to start with how we got to 10-33. What do you guys think?

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It ain't MD's fault.

With scrubs, the Clips have been playing as well lately as they have played all season except that one several game stretch with a healtny Zach. BD’s poor shooting (missing open shots, ill-advised shots, corner shots and not getting back on D, early shots) have been compounded by his poor D. Why is it MD’s fault that BD’s defense is poor and that opposing point guards with little or no reputation have gone off on him – outproducing him?

At $65M, we deserve much more. At that price tag, he doesn’t even produce a good attitude. What is Mardy Collins production per dollar compared to BD’s?

by Jerdog on Jan 26, 2009 5:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

MD's got to take his fair share of the blame

It might not be MD’s fault that the Clips have been plagued with injuries but I think that his coaching style and substitution patterns really stink. I’ve seen him sub out players who have a hot hand just for match-up purposes and or sub them out after a turnover…I think you mightt be able to do that with a veteran but when he does that with deandre jordon, i got to think that its going to kill his confidence…plus it kills me when its a close game going into the fourth quarter and he’ll rest the starters like BD or Zach and the inevitable happens, the other team builds momentum and by the time the starters come back, we’re down 10 points…i really wish that he would become a full time general manager (i give him a lot of respect for the trades he made this season) and hire a coach with a philosophy that matches your superstar…other teams in the league with records better than the Clips have already made coaching changes….I don’t know i’m just really frustrated with that dude

by theNation4ever on Jan 27, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh by the way...

I think BD is far from perfect…I seen him take so many ill-advised shots at the wrong time…I don’t remember who the Clips were playing but it was a tied game or they were down by one and the Clips had called a time-out and right out of the time-out, BD attempted an off -balanced 3-pointer with a man in his face…needless to say, the other team ended up scoring at the other end and the Clips lost the game…I don’t know if that shot was drawn out of the time-out though I highly doubt it but even if it was drawn out of the time-out, BD needed to recognize that he wasn’t going to get a clean look at the basket and look for another option…by the way in that posession, BD was the ONLY clipper to touch the ball.

by theNation4ever on Jan 27, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A fair look

by WestsideBrandon and Amen to Jerdog.

by oneight on Jan 27, 2009 10:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

This isn't a new thing

Baron has had a bad attitude and an inflated sense of entitlement for a long time. I was rereading a book Feinstein wrote about the ACC in 1995 or 1996. The year Baron and F-Elton were being recruited. Krzyzewski’s mother died. He left the recruiting trail for a week and went to the funeral. One recruit complained. His name was Baron Davis. That is why Duke stopped recruiting him. Then there was the Bronco incident where his sister “paid” for the car.

He shouldn’t be swaggering around when all he has ever done was be third team All NBA once and won the Playstation skills challenge one time. Instead of making movies, make a jump shot more than 30% of the time. I was so looking forward to him coming here because I thought he turned the corner last year and was ready to be a leader. We clearly see that didn’t happen. Too bad we can’t get rid of him.

Funny thing, Ford says the 76’ers want to trade Elton already too….Karma (and David Falk) is a biatch.

by Rubble44 on Jan 30, 2009 12:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Reality check

All good high school basketball players are recruited heavily and are treated like gods. They are potentially worth tens of millions of dollars. Not sure what BD did or didn’t do back then, but they all get money and they all don’t have to do any work once they get to college. They are not like you and I and you really can’t realistically evaluate them as you would evaluate the rest of us.

Someone bought him a car. Does that surprise you? Anger you? Come on. We can get into whether these young athletes should or should not be paid in a separate post if you want, but you’ve got to be kidding if you really think he’s a “bad guy” whatever that is, as opposed to all other heavily recruited high school athletes, because someone bought him a car.

For example, BD got a $75k plus free education at Crossroads high school solely because of his ability to play basketball. Does that bother you too?

Yes he swaggers. Yes he is not a good shooter. Yes he’s injury prone. Which begs the question. Why did MDSr sign him to a $65 M contract since everything you said was known to him?

by Jax on Jan 30, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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