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So close.  The clippers found themselves up by one with 9.2  seconds left in the fourth quarter.  It seemed the clippers might win the game.  But like many games this season it was not to be, Allen Iverson broke the clippers hearts when he penetrated into the paint and put up shot that seemed to be blocked by Thornton but was called goal tending.  I myself couldn't tell if the ball was on a downward course or if Thornton touched the rim. 

The clippers got the ball back with 2.9 seconds left. Gordon did his best to get a shot off and may have gotten a foul if this wasn't his rookie season.  But the game ended and the clippers found themselves with a one point loss. 

But as losses go this one doesn't hurt that bad.  The clippers were missing 7 players after Jones limped off court with 9:23 left in the 1st.  The clippers had no natural point guards (all though according Mike and Ralph Collins fancies himself a point guard).  So you would think that the clippers could have easily gotten blown out by the Pistons, even though they were missing Rip Hamilton and Rasheed Wallace.    But everyone on the clippers, with the exception Al, played very well.

As always Camby was great grabbing 20 rebounds and scoring 14 rebounds.  And Gordon but together another amazing game scoring 31 points, and making many shots and drawing fouls that could have won them the game.  But many players played surprsingly well.  First that comes to mind is Novak.  He had 15 points off the bench, including three 3 balls.  And even DJ played well scoring 9 points including a very nice alley from Collins.  Speaking of Collins, he actually did pretty well playing as PG he had 12 asssits(11 of those were the first half).  According to Mike and Ralph he played PG in college and thinks that it is his best posistion.  Which is good because Gordon doesn't seem like he can be as productive playing PG.  Gordon did play PG a little bit and it wasn't pretty.  The offense was not working well. 

This game was definitley a tale of two halves for both teams.  The clippers shot 55% of there shots in the first half but only made 10 shots in the second half. Luckily for the clips Detroit didn't shoot much better and the clips made it up at the line making 80% of there shots. 

Here is a summary of the good and bad

Good

  • Eric Gordon, he continues to play very well scoring 31 points making all 12 of his free throws, and almost winning the game for the clippers
  • Marcus Camby, he plays amazing every game chasing down loose balls and gobbling up rebounds
  • DJ, he played with a lot of energy and showed how good he could be some day
  • The surprising PG play of Mardy Collins
  • Novak's scoring off the bench,  it has been a long time since the clips have gotten much of anything off the bench and if Novak can keep this shooting up we might actually have an ok second unit

Bad

  • Jone's injury, this leaves the clippers with no natural point guards
  • Thornton's continued struggles,  he finishes with 14. It continues to be a good play bad play scenario for Thornton.  One example Thornton makes an amazing play where he does a cross over and loses everyone and drives to the whole, the very next play he tries the same thing but goes the wrong way right into prince and loses the ball.  Although Thronton's struggles could be linked to Prince's always good defense (on another not Stuckey played very well which will make Jax very happy)
  • poor parts of games,  usually the clips have bad 1st quaters and play decently the rest of the game.  This time the opposite was true they played great 1st and 2nd quarters and horrible 2nd halves.  This could have easily been a 20 point loss if Detroit wasn't shooting bad also

I know there are no such things as moral victories, but this one makes me feel a little better.  Maybe once we get the other half of our team back we can actually win some games.

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Injuries

I don’t disagree that the injuries have taken their toll on the team, however, there must come a point in time where we have to stop using it as an excuse. Yes we’ve had more injuries than other teams, and the injuries are at their worst right now, but……. good teams find a way to win even when they are missing 1-2-3 of their starters. Even when Baron & Zac were playing and we were only missing Kaman, we still couldn’t get the wins.

That’s what concerns me!!

by Natedog1977 on Jan 4, 2009 4:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

really it would be amazing if

a team could win without half of their team. 1,2,3 players would be managable but 7 really you have to be insane to think a team really could win with only half a team.

by bestclipfan on Jan 4, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Natedog1977...Seriously?

An Excuse? How can you expect the Clippers to win with ZERO POINT GUARDS?

  1. PG – Baron Davis – Out, bruised tailbone (a few weeks)
  2. PG – Mike Taylor – Out, broken hand (4 to 6 weeks)
  3. PG – Jason Hart – Out, elbow tendinitis (indefinitely?)
  4. PG – Fred Jones – Out, sprained right foot (indefinitely?)

PLUS, They’re missing:

  1. PF – Zach Raondolph – Out, bruised knee (one week+)
  2. C – Chris Kaman – Out, strained arch (indefinitely?)
  3. SF – Ricky Davis – Out Plus Suspended 5 Games after he is healthy enough to return (no definitive timetable for return)

I thought the Clippers should have gotten blown out. But they showed pride and fight with only 8 guys available by the end of the game. So I think your “stop using injuries as an excuse” complaint is not applicable at this time. It is actually a very valid reason for losses, now more so than ever and in the upcoming weeks. If you only follow the Clippers to see victories I suggest you look up old game footage from 2005-2006.

Otherwise, I just wanna see the guys out there having fun! I love seeing the competitive desire in the serious face of our young star, “Air” Gordon. I hope he surprises everyone and turns into a Deron Williams type PG/SG. I like watching the goofy Jordan trying to find his way into the NBA.

Most of all, I really appreciate the effort Marcus Camby has given the team EVERY GAME. He could have faked some lame “back” injury and taken some games “off” but instead he plays SOOOOO hard each game AND he’s the oldest guy out there! Today, he was diving on the floor for a loose ball, getting sat on by other guys, just to save a possession. He doesn’t need to put his body through that kind of punishment for a team that’s going nowhere this season! He’s got a lot of heart and you have to at least appreciate watching that.

by moKi on Jan 4, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Role Reversal

Kind of feels like that Indy game where we barely escaped with the win against a depleted Indiana team. Except we were Indiana tonight, playing better than we should have at home and short-handed.

by ghost_ride on Jan 4, 2009 5:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I come in peace

I’m a Warrior fan, but I won’t be coming here suggesting anything along the lines of trading back for you-know-who (though I still wish we still had him).

After watching that game….I gotta hand it to you Clips. Your guys seem to be putting a lot more into your games than we have lately. At least you never got embarrassed by Oklahoma City and Minnesota.

by ryogahibiki on Jan 4, 2009 5:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

thanks ryogahibiki

the clips played very well tonight with all the injuries. The clipper gods were at it again injuring fred jones and i think P Diddy got injured to. but EJ is continuing to show he’s gonna be a star. Realistically we’re probably not gonna make the playoffs this year so we might as well play well and lose, keep polishing AT and EJ and hopefully get a good draft pick like we have the last 2 years. maybe we can snag Curry or that guy Harden from ASU

by baronycamby on Jan 4, 2009 6:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good team effort

- Nice to see the team giving a crap. At times they looked like they were enjoying the game, as there were some smiles on the court
 -Eric Gordon is special… maybe we would have gotten some more wins if we had gone to him earlier in the season. I really enjoyed the way he led the team today. Taking it to the hole. Making clear decisions.
- Surprisingly or not, we found a new way to lose a game. This time by an obvious goaltending by Thornton, who is not showing a very high basketball IQ. On offfense, he was disrupting every single circuit. He´s not passing the ball much, only when he has tried all of his moves. Not a wise game.
- The injuries thing is serious. No way this can´t be atributted to bad luck.
- Some points from the bench. Staying in the game is much easier when you get some contribution from your backups.
- Mike Dunleavy. After all, maybe he´s not the worst problem this franchise has right now.

by edu_argentina on Jan 4, 2009 6:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thornton

Al does not have the greatest basketball IQ, but I’m going to stand up for him on the goal tend. First of all, it was a goal tend and it was the right call. But it was far from obvious, and in fact 2 of the 3 refs were letting it go – only Freddy Nunez, way out on the court, made the call, and he was late at that. I repeat – correct call, but if the refs were less than decisive blowing the whistle, it’s hard to fault Al for making the block in real time. You try jumping 11 feet in the air and deciding if the ball is still going up. Final note on that – I think the shot was going in, so the result is likely the same either way.

The rest of the night Al’s problem was Tayshaun Prince, who is just a great basketball player and owned Al on both ends. And who was defending against EJ on the final possession? You know the kid has arrived if they decided to put Prince on him with the game on the line.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 4, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome back, CS

I agree with you on Al. I don’t mind the goal tend mistake as well. It was an “honest” mistake and it would have been “smart” if he got away with it. (I watched it a couple times in slow mo, too. I concur that it probably would have went in anyway.) It seems Al has been reading our blogs and posts as he was driving hard and getting fouled a lot more and shooting more quickly, instead of the awful jab-pump fake-jab-pump fake-jab-jab-pump fake-turnaround-fallaway-on-one-foot jumpers he was making everyone throw up with.

Today was a game where you definitely had to have someone who could dunk in traffic (ala Andre Iguodala, Josh Smith, Amar’e Stoudamire) because Prince is a layup nightmare. (Easy layup? I don’t think so Reggie Miller!) I really wish Al could learn how to dunk on people and get the sure 2 points plus maybe even an and 1.

by moKi on Jan 4, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome back, Kotter

EG looked great last night. Very bright future.

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Jan 5, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

im sick

of people ranting on Al he’s still only a second year and i think he will be better than maggette ever was. He’s still young and with some fine tuning he could turn into a very effective SF. he made the right play by going after iverson’s shot, i am pretty sure it was going in any way. Let’s hire James Worthy to help out Al like the Lakers hired Kareem for Bynum

by baronycamby on Jan 4, 2009 10:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

also..well come back CS

by baronycamby on Jan 4, 2009 10:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I've been a fan of Al too...

but his inconsistency this year has been difficult on a rudderless roster. Good players in this league can have bad games but still be effective with rebounding, setting guys up, getting their points at the free throw lines, etc.

Ralph and Mike likes to compare Al to Dominique Wilkins and there are some similarities to their game and background…but with Dominique, the guy was an offensive force every night, despite his shooting stroke. Al is a long way from that. When he is on, you can see a glimmer of the human highlight film in his game. At this point in their career, Gordon is the more natural scorer and is probably more confident than Al. It should be the other way around, Al should be able to take on more responsibilities and the offense should go through him on the wing. But right now, EJ has to be the primary scorer on this team, at least until Zach comes back…or at least until Al can prove that he can score 20+ every night for a month.

by MichaelCage on Jan 4, 2009 11:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Al is going on 26

I guess most people just assume that he’d have much better IQ than what he’d shown does far especially coming off in such a somewhat I’d even say impressive rookie campaign.

Al has been quite disapointing, at least for me. Obviously, Baron as well.

by cliptakular on Jan 5, 2009 8:27 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

the NBA goaltending rule sucks

For NBA standards, that was an ok call.

But I hate the NBA rule and its interpretation, it’s always too strict, I think 75% of the goaltendings called in the NBA are good ones, and Thornton’s block was in that 75%

I watched the game and Gordon is a beast, great pick for you guys.

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by Ricky - Sixers4guidos on Jan 5, 2009 9:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Ricky

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 5, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

kickball rule as well...

just kills the tempo of the game. I thought they said that they wont call kickball if the players foot were on the floor but most officials, if not all, call it anyway.

by cliptakular on Jan 5, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone notice where Mardy was positioned in the last 21 secs.

He was about 5 feet in front of AI and behind a telegraphed screen by McDyess.
A buddy and I knew that Mardy was going to get caught by the screen.

The goaltending call was fair.

Time for looking at lottery prospects.

by Qlippers on Jan 5, 2009 12:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Clippers ranked 29th

in espn power rankings now. Thank you Dunleavy

by FireDunleavy.com on Jan 5, 2009 1:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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