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The Clippers are a real beauty.  Their ability to meet the very highest expectations for disappointment (!) is truly extraordinary.  Given events--which seem to be moving very quickly at the moment--and a roster that is in the midst of an all-out massacre, anything is possible.  And despite the way it seems to defy basic logic, the "it's the Clippers" argument sometimes just seems to make perfect sense. 

Sure, it's nice to think that the Clippers could have a pretty nice team with everybody healthy and out on the floor, but that's not going to happen any time soon, and even then, what are they playing for? 

Is it time to get out the Advanced Tanking software?  Do we flip the switch and start to see the beauty of all of those 1-point losses and the stirring meltdowns in winnable games?  Hey--it's January fellas!  Let's talk about draft picks!

The only positive statement I've heard in catching up was BDavis saying that his first year at GSW was rocky and it took time for everybody to get it together.  This was in response to Stephen Jackson saying that Davis wanted to return to GSW.  BD seems to be looking at the longterm plan.  Marcus Camby, on the other hand, is showing up and getting after it in every game, which is almost enough to make us forget that his injuries were largely responsible for the Clippers very slow start.  And we're well ahead of last year's pace in seeing the quality of the draft pick, as Gordon looks great.  And now with Paul Davis waived (and no sign of Kaman or Randolph), it's DeAndre Time, along with a healthy dose of Steve Novak. 

All of these are small side issues on a crippled, pathetic team.  The question is the end point, and what do you do when the season is already in the toilet.  Something is happening now, so let's see where it goes.  At this point I have no idea what the best moves might be for the Clippers.  And the futility and disasters of all kinds must be rather shocking to even the most cynical and experienced of citizens.

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Amen brother

I’ve been trying to write a ‘catchup’ post all day, but I don’t know where to start. when I finally just starting writing, then Camby rumors and various waivings and trades took over.

Yesterday’s game would have been a terrific success in the context of last season. The rookie succeeds as a go to guy in the final minutes, but the crucial loss is achieved for ping pong ball positioning. But when you compare the talent on the Clippers roster to those of the Wolves, Grizz, Thunder, Kings… well, can we honestly root for the team to be worse than those guys? With 50 games left? That’s too brutal to contemplate. 10th or 11th in the conference (depending on the Warriors own train wreck post Monta’s return) seems to be the only viable option – and in a weak draft, it’s going to be a crap shoot in the lottery. Who are we tanking for? Brandon Jennings? I’d rather win some games.

Worst of all, all of the key injuries are just so…. lingery. (Not to be confused with lingerie, which is generally speaking a good thing.) When do we expect Randolph and Kaman and Baron and Ricky back? Who knows? Given that we did not expect any of them out this long, it’s just a complete unknown. None of them are making the trip it would seem. And all could be back in two weeks.

Until then… we watch an absurdly short-handed team build up a double digit losing streak.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 5, 2009 3:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's Amazing

That just shows how bad things are this year. You make the very good point that we can’t even rejoice in losing! Despite the Clippers absolute futility, they’re eventually going to start winning some games, which will only negate the extremely impressive number of quality losses they’ve already put on the ledger.

by citizen zhiv on Jan 5, 2009 3:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Things Go the Way They Usually Do For the Clippers,

They’ll get really good after everyone is healthy and they’ll miss the playoffs by one spot or game. We’ll say what great potential the team has for next year and sigh.

Then look forward to next season.

by moKi on Jan 5, 2009 4:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm trying to remain optimistic.

And by optimistic, I mean let’s not screw up any possible future this team has. I definitely agree with CS; this draft is not worth tanking for. Let’s hope this team gives us something good to watch for the remainder of the season.

by WestsideBrandon on Jan 6, 2009 11:40 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hilarious & True

I’ve thought the same about tanking this season, it’s going to be some pretty pathetic basketball we’ll have to endure to be among the lottery favorites.

Tend to disagree about the weak draft though, it wont be what it was a year ago, but there’s plenty of talent out there. Blake Griffin, James Harden, Greg Monroe, Jordan Hill, Stephen Curry & Brandon Jennings to name a few.

by ghost_ride on Jan 5, 2009 6:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I knew

That getting rid of Paul Davis would piss Zhiv off :-)

by Jax on Jan 5, 2009 4:46 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sadly, no

Davis3 got his 320 minutes and didn’t do nearly enough with them. Shooting 41% and getting 67 rebounds doesn’t cut it. And 28 of those rebounds were on the offensive end, which is kind of a nice number and shows some hustle, but 39 defensive rebounds in 320 minutes is a big problem.

Looking back at it, there are two big factors in my interest in Paul Davis being good. The first was that he seemed like a better fit for the Clippers, with Brand on the roster, because he could play backup C as well as backup PF, than Paul Millsap. Wrong on that one. If it comes up again, draft the undersized PF who somehow gets every single rebound. That’s where the Rodmans come from, Leon Powe is working out well, and that type of guy seems to be pretty successful in the NBA—as opposed to the PF/C tweener. Kevin Love is another example, on the high end. He’s not Al Jefferson or Carlos Boozer or FElton or ZBo, but he gets a whole lot of rebounds and makes some good things happen.

But far and away the biggest factor in my Oct-Nov 07 infatuation with Davis was trying to keep Tim Thomas out of the starting lineup. And during that string of games when Randolph was playing great, complemented well by Camby, it was pretty great to bring Davis in for a few minutes with no Tim Thomas in sight. All he had to do was hit a lot more shots and get a whole lot more rebounds.

by citizen zhiv on Jan 5, 2009 5:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course

KLove was drafted b/4 B Lopez, whom I thought all along would be the better pro.

Your crush on P Davis lasted longer than Nov 07. Come on.

by Jax on Jan 5, 2009 5:40 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some fine distinctions

If I had more time I would go through all the stages of my “relationship” with Paul Davis.

But remember that he got hurt in Dec 07.

by citizen zhiv on Jan 5, 2009 6:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Paul would be hurt

if he read your posts ;-)

by Jax on Jan 5, 2009 7:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The state of the team...

At this point, if the team is in complete rebuilding mode, let’s take a look at who we can build around. Right now, the only player that we should keep long term is Eric Gordon in my opinion. Everyone else should be expendable and tradable.

Camby has been our most consistent player and the guy’s futile effort in every game has been more than any of us could have hoped for. It would be great to keep him, but if the team is in rebuilding mode, it would be frustrating for Camby to be wasting his prime on a dead end squad. He deserves better and his frustration is clearly showing…especially in that Philly game.

Kaman’s injury, real or not, is dragging on way too long. I have a feeling that he’s unhappy with his role on the team and his agent is probably telling him to take it easy and rest up as we’re not going to make the playoffs anyways. It’s not a stretch to say that Dunleavy was referring to Kaman as exhibit A in his mysterious quote to the LA Times yesterday. Even if Kaman were to come back 100% next season, would the other players who are forced to play 40+ minutes this season be happy to have him back? A decent center is hard to find in this league, but at this point, Kaman’s attitude and inconsistency means his Clippers career should be over.

Baron Davis needs to be sent out of town, especially if Sterling is unwilling to fire Dunleavy. Baron’s FG % and decisions at the end of ball games have been disastrous. I guess Maggette was a prophet in this case. Cory might be smarter than all the fans in Clippers Nation gave him credit for. We should see if anyone is willing to take Baron’s contract off our hands…even for a second round draft pick. Baron might be a great community guy, a great LA citizen as the article in SI suggests, but it also suggests that basketball is no longer his main priority. Maybe if we sent him to Minnesota or Memphis, he will be forced to concentrate on basketball again and won’t be as distracted.

Zach would be a good piece to keep, especially if Dunleavy defies everyone’s wishes and stay as both GM and coach. Zach’s low post skills is tailor made for Dunleavy’s system. He can average 30 points a game on a team that isn’t going anywhere and he might be content with that. Zach is not a guy to rebuild a team around long term though, so if we can get a mid or late 1st round draft pick for him, then we should pull the trigger…though he has yet to shed his reputation from Portland, which hurts his trade value.

Thornton is a borderline keeper. His inconsistency this year is in some ways more mystifying than his rookie season. He’s probably at a crossroads right now. Either he becomes more consistent with experience as the game slows down for him or he falls into the streak shooter role of guys like JR Smith who either gets hot for a game or plays very little minutes.

As to the rest of the guys; Mike Taylor, DeAndre, and Novak should probably be kept as they make very little money and have some upside. Which means that we probably need to fill about 8-10 slots again next year. It’s a damn shame that we’re so bad in a year when the draft is so weak.

It would be nice to have a new coaching staff, new trainers, and maybe a new GM, but I doubt any of that will happen as long as Donald is footing the bill. It might be darkest before dawn, but as Mao said, it is also darkest before it gets pitched black.

by MichaelCage on Jan 5, 2009 8:40 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ZBo is a keeper...for now anyway

With his contract, he’s not going anywhere. He was slightly immature early in his career, but he seems to have straightened himself out and plays passable defense nowadays. Seeing how a few weeks back was supposed to be the darkest, we are probably in the pitch-black phase now, as the Clips have run thru 4 PG’s in less than half a season. Amazingly, we thought the PG situation was bad last year. It just goes to show, when you think things are bad, they can get much, much worse. There will be a new day someday….when the Clips finally part ways with Kaman.

I love LAC.

by oasisman on Jan 5, 2009 11:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Team Chemistry?

I know the Clippers have had little time together to play as team but I am afraid our two most talented players are plain and simple not team chemistry kind of players.

Zach Randolph is a heck of a talent but ask Portland or the Knicks why he is gone.

Baron Davis is an exceptional talent but is basically uncoachable and has had his own issues butting heads in the past with all his previous coaches. His issues with Dunleavy already should not come as a shock. Also, I have watched every Clipper game on Direct TV this year and Baron almost never includes Eric Gordon in the offense. It is almost 5 on 4 until Davis takes a rest. I think it is more than a coincidence Eric plays his best ball when Davis is on the bench and the backup point guards actually pass him the ball.

Honorable mention-Ricky Davis. Maybe the most selfish player of all. Why do you think he has played for so many teams.

Get rid of Camby? To me he is the only untouchable besides Gordon and Al Thorton unless they just plain shut down for the year and get a player or draft choice for the future for him. Comes to play every night.

For a team to be successful you need a floor leader which they do not have and team chemistry which I have serious doubts this cast of characters could ever have.

by PV Mike on Jan 5, 2009 9:57 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think camby

could be traded in draft night.

by XXDC2XX on Jan 6, 2009 9:31 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Camby

Don’t get me wrong, Camby has been our MVP. He’s by far and away our most consistent player and hardest worker. The guy is a class act and hustles even when we’re down by 20 in the fourth. As much as I would like to keep him though, a team that is in complete rebuilding mode would be doing a disservice to Camby. If I didn’t like Camby as much, I would say keep him. But the guy deserves better. He needs to compete on a championship caliber team like the Spurs, Celtics, or Cleveland. His frustrations is clearly showing but he still plays his heart out every night. Yout gotta admire a guy like that.

by MichaelCage on Jan 6, 2009 3:40 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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