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Clippers @ Dallas - Game Preview and Open Thread

Los Angeles Clippers @ Dallas


2008/2009 NBA Regular Season

Lac1_70_medium
vs.
  Dal_70_medium
American Airlines Center
January 6th, 2009, 5:30 PM
No TV - KSPN 710 AM
Probable starters:
Mardy Collins
PG Jason Kidd
Eric Gordon
SG Josh Howard
Al Thornton
SF Devean George
Brian Skinner
PF Dirk Nowitzki
Marcus Camby
C Erick Dampier

 

The Back Story:

  • November 9, 2008 in LA:  Clippers 103 - Dallas 92  Box Score  Recap
  • December 2, 2008 in Dallas:  Dallas 100 - Clippers 98  Box Score  Recap
  • December 28, 2008 in LA:  Dallas 98 - Clippers 76 Box Score  Recap

The Big Picture:

It's the fourth and final meeting between these two teams, and the Mavericks figure to be at full strength for the first time.  The first two were played without Josh Howard - the last one without Dirk Nowtzki.  Meanwhile, the Clippers will be at their most depleted - missing their three highest paid players and a host of others.  So while the Clippers won the first and should have won the second, this game figures to be more like the third - only worse.  Mavs have all their All-Stars - Clippers have a makeshift roster - do the math.

The Antagonist:

After acquiring Jason Kidd last February, the Mavs had a lackluster finish to last season and an equally uninspiring start to this one.  But they are 18-6 in their last 24 games, so maybe they just needed a little bit of time with their new personnel, and with new coach Rick Carlisle.  Or maybe not.  I'm still not convinced.  If you look at their schedule these last 24 games, it's been squeezably soft like Mr. Whipple's beloved Charmin.  Of those 18 wins, 14 came against teams with losing records.  So give them credit for winning them (until Sunday in Memphis, when they got blown out) - but don't tell me they're a .600 team.  They're my pick to miss the playoffs this year of the 9 Western Conference teams with winning records.  They've got four really nice players in Dirk, Howard, Jason Terry and Jason Kidd - but Kidd is WAY past his prime, and they just don't have a lot past those guys.  J.J. Barea?

The Subplots:

  • Eric Gordon - One bright spot in the Clippers dark season has been Eric Gordon.  He has scored 20 or more in 4 straight games, including a career-high 31 in Sunday's loss.  He scored the Clippers final 11 points in the game, and looked like the go to scorer for the end of close games that the Clippers have never had (the one that Baron Davis was supposed to be but hasn't been).  Watching EJ this season, I've always gotten the feeling that he could do more if he needed to.  Well, with Baron and Zach Randolph out, he's now the team's first option  on offense, so we're getting to see what he can do.
  • Will Camby get 20 rebounds?  Marcus Camby is the other bright spot.  He has gotten 20 or more REBOUNDS in three of the last four games.  That's pretty remarkable.  He has closed to within one tenth of a rebound on league-leader Dwight Howard - and he'll take over the lead soon, possibly tonight.  If the Clippers are indeed shopping him, they'd better get something good in return. 
  • Who backs up the back court?  Seriously.  Who?  With Fred Jones injured and now waived, the Clippers are down to Mardy Collins and Gordon at the guard spots, assuming Jason Hart's sore elbow keeps him out.  Mike Taylor has a broken thumb, Baron Davis has a sore bum and Ricky Davis likes him some blunt - so the first guard off the bench for the Clippers Tuesday night in Dallas, whoever it is, likely didn't even know he was on the team Tuesday morning.  The Clippers have activated Ricky at this point, so tonight's game will be the first of his 5 game suspension for violating the league's drug policy.  The league would frown upon the Clippers activating him before he's ready just to get the suspension clock ticking (though it might be tough to prove), so you can expect that he'll be back in uniform Saturday the 17th against the Bucks.
  • Jumping James Singleton.  Former Clipper James Singleton has worked his way into Rick Carlisle's rotation over the last few weeks, and put up 11 and 8 in 25 minutes last week against his former mates.  The game doesn't figure to be close, so James could play the entire fourth quarter.
  • Which will happen first?  A Cheikh Samb blocked shot, or a DeAndre Jordan alley oop dunk?  
  • No TV.  Of course, we won't SEE James Singleton or SEE Cheikh Samb blocking shots, because the game is not on local TV.  If you've got NBA League Pass, you get to watch.  But I'm guessing you might wish you hadn't. 
  • ShouldIWatch.com - The above bullet reminds me of a web site created by a Warriors fan.  He got tired of wasting hours watching games on his TiVo that were painful blowout losses, so he created a website that tells you if the final margin falls within a reasonable number.  If your team loses in embarrassing fashion, you can find out in advance, without knowing the score.  It miight be applicable to Clips Nation, especially for the next few weeks. 
  • Get the Mavericks perspective at Mavs Moneyball.

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Livingston...

We could well be seeing a return of our beloved Shaun Livingston…

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/sports/basketball/Shaun-Livingston-Waived-by-Miami.html

Perhaps he’ll be the guard to show up tomorrow.

by Redmosa on Jan 6, 2009 7:56 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting...

Probably this is part of the plan… to troll for other team’s cuts when they hit the wire. Of course, the fact that Miami isn’t interested in him, when they have Chris Quinn starting at the point, does not speak well for his current situation.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 6, 2009 9:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My gosh, why don't the Clips just move to Dallas?

Then I could watch them when I go back to see Mom and Dad

F-Elton!

by mikey p on Jan 6, 2009 8:23 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

i’m more hopeful about shaun returning as a decent playmaker/defender off the bench. miami is currently a playoff team and next to wade, chalmers and quinn provide shooting, while livingston does not. i see it as a situation where a project without a role was expected to get playing time, but wade came out healthy this season and so they’re doing all they can to win now.

i emailed you a few times steve and was pretty upset about the way the clippers season was going. a lot has changed since then and i am still upset. but at least gordon is getting time.

long term, i’m tempering expectations on gordon because gordon’s development as a star in this league will forever be hindered by playing on a losing franchise. a lot of clipper players start off competitive and doing anything it takes to win. but the expectation is to win or at least improve.

eventually losing takes it toll and they become selfish shoot first players. it’s hard to fault the players because their natural inclination is to overcome losing by attempting to score more points. when teammates and coaches fail them, the player puts his head down, looks up out of the abyss, and emerges as ScoreMe Maggette. Or as Warrior fans call the beast, Bad Porn. (sure there’s penetration and scoring, but watching it makes you sick).

Gordon looks like a good kid now, but you never know.

The Clippers have a chance to win tonight’s game . . . if they get 50-60 points from Thornton and Gordon.

A much more likely scenario is Terry, Barea, Howard, and Dirk taking turns heating up against the Clipper defense and building a 20 point lead in the 3rd quarter.

Looking forward to seeing how the suns play with Jrich and where they stand in the west, in particular if it’s the Suns or Dallas team that is less likely to make the playoffs.

by seethefields on Jan 6, 2009 12:13 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Game about to start

Is there a new Clipper point guard for the evening?

I just checked over at Clipperblog, where KA has done the yeoman’s work of gathering information on Samb. Sounds pretty intriguing. Not a saviour, but if you’re more of a connoisseur of the ineffability of upside with an affinity for the big man stylings of Nick Fazekas and Summer League 07 Paul Davis, not to mention the Great Zeljko Rebraca and, yes, maybe even another free Nugget center named Marcus Camby, Samb may be fun to watch. Don’t be surprised to see him hit a 3.

KA has a separate post about DeMarcus Nelson, and seems to like him. I have to say I wouldn’t mind watching Cedric Bozeman play for the Clippers for 10 days and see how he does. The Livingston question is more complicated, but if he can’t play for the Clips in every game for a couple weeks, he doesn’t really solve the immediate problem. Of course, they’re going to lose anyway, so it doesn’t really matter.

by citizen zhiv on Jan 6, 2009 5:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is ridiculous.

I get that the Clippers suck and have more than half of their roster injured, but c’mon. How is it possible that a professional team is not on local televison for the second time in three days? I know, I know, they’re the Clippers, but still. If I want to see my favorite team lose by twenty forty, I should have that right.

A couple thoughts concerning the only two bright spots on this team. Camby better not get traded unless LeBron James is involved, because this guy gives it his all every night. What good would it do to trade the only good example that the team has? Gordon should also continue to improve. I forsee a superstar in the making. Here’s hoping that these two remain Clipper bright spots.

by WestsideBrandon on Jan 6, 2009 5:50 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is pretty amazing...

that in an age of digital TV, a million channels where high school kids in Tulsa have their own sock puppet hour, a professional basketball team like the Clippers aren’t televised. We’re missing a decent game…the guys are completely tired…Gordon is getting no rest, but they’re playing their asses off. We’re only down 2 now with 10 minutes left.

by MichaelCage on Jan 6, 2009 7:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gordon Has 23 points at Halftime

He played every minute so far and went 50% from the field and 8 out of 9 at the free throw line. Curious to see if Dallas tries harder to shut him down in the second half. He is awesome!

by moKi on Jan 6, 2009 6:50 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it just me?

or are the clippers playing better without baron?

by highriser on Jan 6, 2009 7:09 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We're better without Baron...

because whenever we make a run, Baron pulls up for a thirty footer that clangs off the rim, which leads to a fast break the other way, breaks our momentum, and allows the other team to answer with a 20 point spurt.

by MichaelCage on Jan 6, 2009 7:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i say

gordon goes for 40 this game

by highriser on Jan 6, 2009 7:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm nervous

Without being able to watch the game at all, I am guessing due to the lack of depth on our team at present, we will run out of legs in the last quarter.

I admire the guys for putting their best efforts forward to date though.

by Natedog1977 on Jan 6, 2009 7:18 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

streaming site

Some guy on Clipperblog posted this link and it seems to work:

http://albaaa.altervista.org/watch.php?id=202

by MichaelCage on Jan 6, 2009 7:26 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks!

works for me too! awesome! close game and we’re up!

by teejnut on Jan 6, 2009 7:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks MC...

works beautifully…with Milph streaming online too!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 6, 2009 7:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

gotta give them props...they are hanging in there

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 6, 2009 7:49 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

up by 3!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 6, 2009 7:49 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lawlers law in effect!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 6, 2009 7:52 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lawlers law in effect!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 6, 2009 7:52 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dirk 3ptr

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 6, 2009 7:52 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AT wants to break the law

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 6, 2009 7:53 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i love this stream

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 6, 2009 7:53 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yikes! mc misses the first

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 6, 2009 7:55 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

stream froze up

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 6, 2009 7:55 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

stream crashed!

seems like whatever was streaming it crashed! :(

by teejnut on Jan 6, 2009 7:56 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the stream was automated...

the game seems to have ran over the alloted hour and it switched before our game ended…to the Lakers – Hornets game (I had to close the stream a couple of times and re-open…then it buffered to the Lakers game). As if the Lakers aren’t televised enough.

by MichaelCage on Jan 6, 2009 8:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mavs up by 1

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 6, 2009 7:56 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

loading

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 6, 2009 7:57 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't think i want 2 look tho

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 6, 2009 7:57 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats it

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 6, 2009 7:59 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not watching

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 6, 2009 8:00 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the finish

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 6, 2009 8:00 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gordon was dead tired...

The kid played 45 minutes…you can tell his legs were gone early in the fourth. Nobody should play 48 minutes of every game in the NBA.

by MichaelCage on Jan 6, 2009 8:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DAMN IT

So close !!

My streaming footage never worked as it was always buffering. Maybe I have a slow connection??

Very respectable effort, but some mistakes & missed shots down the stretch by AT & Gordon. Hopefully they will learn from it.

by Natedog1977 on Jan 6, 2009 8:05 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can't blame them

Gordon played like 46 minutes and Al came off the sick bed to play. But I think it was a good game considering we were playing with 8 guys (and the 8th just got here today).

by bestclipfan on Jan 6, 2009 8:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AT

with a horrible turnover and airball in the final minute. uggh, can’t believe he took 24 shots. shot a better % than baron at least.

by blowbyability on Jan 6, 2009 8:07 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome Effort!

Poor Gordon and Camby! But this is only going to make Gordon tougher minded. Hopefully he will remember all these close chances he had to win it and he’ll use them to get better the end of games.

But hey, he was TIRED. There was NO bench! I am really proud of these guys for not mailing it in and actually trying.

Thornton was sick and played through it so I guess he gets a pass. They said he has the flu.

by moKi on Jan 6, 2009 8:08 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beating a dead horse

Clippers were outscored 11-1 in the last part of the game. The Dunce is so clutch.

by FireDunleavy.com on Jan 6, 2009 8:10 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

His team just took a playoff contender into the final minute with 7 players and this is what you have to offer? REALLY?

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 6, 2009 8:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don’t mind FD, Clippers could cure cancer, save Darfur and fix the economy and he’ll complain about the Clippers not freeing Tibet.

The soap opera continues.

by Qlippers on Jan 6, 2009 8:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A choke job is a choke job.

Also the Suns beat the Clippers in the playoffs with 7 players and the Dunce.

I’m not saying they should always beat Dallas, but they shouldn’t collapse in the last 2 min. The announcer said they were outscored 9-1 in after Dallas took the lead, and the Clippers didn’t score after that.

by FireDunleavy.com on Jan 6, 2009 8:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, you're right...

Dunleavy got Gordon’s shot blocked, and then Dunleavy helped Jason Kidd steal the ball from EJ. Oh, and Dunleavy made Marcus Camby miss a free throw also, almost forgot that one.

A choke job is a choke job. And an idiot is an idiot. And you, are an idiot.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 6, 2009 11:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clippers have lost 8 straight

If this was just 1 game, it wouldn’t be a big deal. Don’t you see a pattern of Dunleavy losing games in the 4th quarter.

by FireDunleavy.com on Jan 7, 2009 10:17 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I'm an idiot

What are the people on this board who thought the Clippers were going to get 50 wins this year?

by FireDunleavy.com on Jan 7, 2009 10:46 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eric Gordon is real

Pretty exciting to get this kind of effort from this lineup. The injuries are helping Eric Gordon’s development quite a bit, kind of like the way that things worked out with Thornton last year, except that the schedule is greatly accelerated and Gordon is a better, more highly skilled player, just as good an athlete, and he’s very young. Did I say that he seems to be very young to be putting up 30 pt games back-to-back?

It’s kind of uncanny how things are going with Gordon. Every Clipper season is bizarre and strange and we should get used to it, but we should have remembered that when the going gets weird, the weird go pro, and this applies really well to the Clips ever since the Brandacle.

Did I mention that the guy who was supposed to be the steady starter, and allow young EJ to have a measured transition into NBA game time retired with a serious heart problem after he was traded for a player who is arguably a better fit and better player than FElton? And there was another guy, a proven NBA scorer and consistent weapon who was ahead of EJ on the depth chart, who was horrible and hurt and is still out of the picture. So he becomes a starter and gets to play big minutes. But wait, we’re not done. The Clippers bigtime free agent PG, who feels he has to shoulder the scoring load and is making great passes but his shooting is horrible and he’s feeling the funk on a very funky team, when the chips are down and he’s the first option he gets dinged up and he goes on the shelf. So now Eric Gordon becomes the obvious first option, along with Al Thornton doing the best he can, working through his own growing pains.

And Gordon is great. He’s fine. He hits shots and makes plays. He’s not taking over and closing out games, but let’s give him some time. He’s making the Clippers competitive against good teams. Marcus Camby is doing his job and he’s not going anywhere. Even Mardy Collins is a solid enough roster guy at this point—he’s doing what QRoss used to do and more. I can’t wait for ZBo and Kaman to come back. And Baron Davis. And Davis2. And whoever else is on the roster.

If only we could benefit from tanking and we could be celebrating a quality loss!

by citizen zhiv on Jan 6, 2009 8:42 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Effort vs Moping

The guys that were out on the floor won a moral victory of sorts. Even though its another loss, almost everyone on the team gave everything they had tonight. Watching Gordon, Camby, a flu-ridden Thornton, and even Mardy Collins all playing 40+ minutes is almost exhausting to watch.

Which makes me think about the “injured” players on our team…Kaman, Baron, Zach, and maybe Ricky Davis and Jason Hart. How hurt are they actually? Just how serious are their injuries? If guys like Gordon is forced to play 46 minutes becaues your foot or elbow hurts a bit and you choose stay home rather than contributing a few minutes a night, then you don’t deserve a job in the NBA.

It would have been a very rewarding win tonight…mainly for all the guys that were out there. They deserved it and more. If I were a teammate of theirs, and was healthy enough to play but chose to sit out, I would be ashamed to show my face in the locker room again.

by MichaelCage on Jan 6, 2009 8:57 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great Two Games

The losses help our draft position, but it would’ve been nice to cash one in. We definitely played well down the stretch against Detroit, it just came down to a final defensive stop and they were able to convert and still they gave us a decent shot at taking it back.

Tonight we were a huge underdog and improbably took it down to the wire. Credit Dallas for making some big shots late, and excuse us for inevitably running out of gas.

Hopefully we’re not as competitive against SA, so these guys can get some rest.

by ghost_ride on Jan 6, 2009 10:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Draft

Unfortunately, this year’s draft looks to be the weakest since Olowakandi’s year…so it only makes sense that we are really really bad when the draft really really suck.

by MichaelCage on Jan 7, 2009 12:27 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can't believe

we’re talking about the draft in January AGAIN

by Jax on Jan 7, 2009 9:08 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Believe it

It is what it is.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 7, 2009 9:17 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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