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Clippers @ San Antonio - Game Preview and Open Thread

Los Angeles Clippers at San Antonio Spurs, Jan 8, 2009 5:30 PM PST


2008/2009 NBA Regular Season

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AT&T Center
January 8th, 2009, 5:30 PM
FSN Prime Ticket, 1260 AM
Probable starters:
Mardy Collins
PG Tony Parker
Eric Gordon
SG Roger Mason, Jr.
Al Thornton
SF Michael Finley
Brian Skinner
PF Tim Duncan
Marcus Camby
C Matt Bonner

 

The Back Story:

  • November 17, 2008 in LA:  San Antonio 86 - Clippers 83  Box Score  Recap

The Big Picture:

Eight losses in a row and counting, the Clippers face the Spurs in San Antonio where they haven't won since Tony Parker was un petit enfant.  OK, he wasn't that petit - it was seven years ago and he was a rookie of dix-neuf.  But with the Clippers still missing five key players, I don't expect this to be the night where they break their Alamo losing streak.  Of course, I didn't expect them to be in the game in Dallas either, and they were up by five with a couple minutes to go, so I guess anything is possible.  I haven't gotten to watch a lot of Clippers basketball lately, what with vacation and no TV on the Dallas game, so I for one am looking forward to this.  It will be fun to watch the new Eric Gordon, even if my expectations are pretty low for the game.

The Antagonist:

We've said it before, but this season is perhaps the best example ever.  The Spurs just keep going, putting whatever spare parts they can find out on the floor with Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili.  Their fourth leading scorer and starting shooting guard started 12 NBA games in his career before joining the Spurs and he's 28.  Their starting center is one of three redheads in the NBA, and the other two are Brian Scalabrine and Robert Swift, so that is not good company.  And their starting small forward is 106.  But they're 23-11 and winners of 8 of their last 9, because, well, they're the Spurs - they have three really good players and a system that just plugs in other guys and keeps working.  By the way, it's not a coincidence that the 28 year old, the redhead and the 106 year old can all SHOOT.  Still, one wonders how long this can last.  In years past, they would at least bring in a Brent Barry or a Robert Horry.  But they seem to have given up on Fabricio Oberto, the latest in a long line of guys they tried to use starting next to Tim Duncan.  And they don't seem to have even brought in much help this time.  Duncan is 32 and Ginobili is 31 (with a lot of miles on him as well).  It seems likely that the days of the Spurs contending for a title with this group are coming to an end.

The Subplots:

  • Eric Gordon - Think San Antonio watched some tape of the Dallas game?  Think they may be dusting off Bruce Bowen to try to slow him down?  Eric found out in the fourth quarter of the Mavs game what it's like to be the main focus of an NBA defense.  He better get used to it, because for the time being the formula is pretty simple - stop Eric Gordon and beat the Clippers.
  • Bad matchup for Camby.  MDsr will put Brian Skinner on Tim Duncan to start the game, because that's the value that Skinner adds.  But that leaves Camby to defend Bonner, a 48% three point shooter.  No one wants Marcus standing out at the three point line, least of all Marcus.  Of course the Clippers have been playing a lot of zone lately to try to keep people out of foul trouble, and they'll probably try it tonight as well.  But if they're manning up, their rotations had better be sharp, because the Spurs always have at least three shooters on the floor, and Marcus is going to be cheating off Bonner all night.
  • Speaking of the Zone.  I'm sure they'll try it, since they've been playing so much of it with this short-handed roster.  But it seems to me that the Spurs are going to destroy the zone.  Zone defenses break down completely when teams are able to penetrate against them, and Parker and Ginobili are two of the best penetrators in the league.  With Mason and Bonner and Finley spreading the floor, there will be open looks everywhere against the zone unless the Clippers execute perfectly. 
  • Fred Jones.  As I write this there's no official announcement (UPDATE, now there is), but supposedly Fred Jones will be back with the team and ready to play in this game.  According to Ramona and Lisa, the reason the Clippers turned around and waived Hassan Adams a couple hours after trading for him was because they found out that Jones was healthy enough to play tonight.  That's good news for the weary muscles of Eric Gordon and Mardy Collins, who played 46 and 45 minutes respectively on Monday.
  • First meeting.  In the first meeting of the season, erstwhile Clipper Cat Mobley tied the game with a three pointer with 64 seconds left.  But Roger Mason Jr. drained a three of his own on the Spurs final possession, and the Clippers failed to get a decent look in the final 8 seconds.  Call it Number 152 in 'How to lose a close game'. The Clippers know them all. Of course, neither Parker NOR Ginobili played in that first meeting, so the Clippers essentially lost to Duncan and a bunch of non-descript guys.  This time it's the Spurs at full strength and the Clippers severely depleted. 
  • Speaking of injuries.  I watched a few minutes of Lakers-Warriors tonight - heard John Ireland talk about how bad the Lakers injury situation is - how they're missing 3 of their top 9 players.  Then the game started and they featured the starting lineup they've used most of the season.  Cry me a river, Ireland.  Try 5 of the top 9, 3 starters and every damn point guard injured.
  • Get the Spurs perspective at Pounding the Rock.

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Should be Tough Going

Tougher than Detroit & Dallas with the was San Antonio is playing. It’s almost a David v.s. Goliath situation, especially the game within the game which is EJ v.s. the Spurs defense.

by ghost_ride on Jan 8, 2009 10:06 AM PST reply actions  

Meant to mention in the preview...

Sure, the Spurs have won 8 of 9… but it’s not an overly impressive victim list. I think 4 of the wins are SAC, MEM and MIN, or something like that. So it’s not that I think the Spurs are particularly unbeatable right now.

I just don’t think this Clippers team has much of a chance against any team right now, let alone a good team, let alone on the road, let alone some real pros.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 8, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Good to know...

about the weak victories, I guess that inspires some hope for tonight, though it’s worth mentioning Minnesota is on some tear ever since moving Foye to the shooting guard spot. OKC had been playing better, and to beat any team by 42 is impressive.

The last two games have been an unexpected surprising to say the least, or maybe not for those that suspected BD was hurting the team with his lackluster play. That Detroit game is a win more often than not, and Dallas was supposed to stomp us, so who knows. Plus we get Fred Jones back who can hopefully get some guys under 40 minutes.

by ghost_ride on Jan 8, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

have you even read the Pounding the Rock preview?

a bit comical but really arrogant. But I guess arrogance is the side effect of only being able to win a championship every odd year… Not to say there’s anything wrong with that. hell I’d be happy if the clippers made it to the playoffs every odd year. lol

by cantthinkofagoodname on Jan 8, 2009 12:04 PM PST reply actions  

I love PtR

But it’s a VERY different site than CN.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 8, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a lively crew

be careful… leave a trail of breadcrumbs

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 8, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

By the way...

My TiVo is broken, so I’ll be watching in real time tonight. I’ll probably spend some time on the thread.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 8, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

life without tivo!

ouch.

BTW I much prefer CN over PtR and their hack analysis. I really hope that there’s some way we can win this game now… but I guess my disgust for the spurs is showing through…

by cantthinkofagoodname on Jan 8, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey there. I’m a PTRer, and dropped by to see the other side of the story during the game.

You know, I never thought we could come across as an arrogant bunch. We just don’t take previews all that seriously. Or game threads. Or recaps.

Anyway, I apologize if it seemed offensive. I’ve written some previews, and I assure you that despite the silly nicknames we mean no disrespect. This is a great blog, and I’ve spent the last three hours reading your posts to get a feel for the Clipper’s situation nowadays. A great, through read.

You really seem to be stuck in a bad situation: not good enough to get into the playoff in the crazily competitive West, and really not that bad of a team so your lottery chances are limited. Baron Davis’ trade probably hurt you more than helped you, but hindsight is 20-20. How do you guys feel about Davis?

Have faith, anyway. This season has been a bit of a rollercoaster for the Spurs. We’ve been playing to our opponent’s levels, so nearly every game has been close. Don’t give up on this one, because we probably won’t blow you out.

by LatinD on Jan 8, 2009 3:37 PM PST reply actions  

L.A. Clippers – San Antonio Spurs

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by milleniumprince on Jan 8, 2009 5:39 PM PST reply actions  

Wow

Collins is a worthless player…and AT can’t dribble

by Qlippers on Jan 8, 2009 6:00 PM PST reply actions  

hmmm

Collins just had the best quarter of his career and hit two bailout buckets at the end of the clock and you call him worthless…. I mean, I tend to agree, the guy’s not much of a ball player, but seems like a strange time to call him out.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 8, 2009 6:04 PM PST reply actions  

Good first quarter

Of course, the Spurs aren’t likely to remain this cold. The matchup zone is working pretty well against everyone but Parker.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 8, 2009 6:05 PM PST reply actions  

See, guys? Told ya. Nothing to worry about.

by LatinD on Jan 8, 2009 6:12 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks for playing down to the competition

Of course, with major advantages in shooting percentage and rebounding, I’d like more than a 1 point half time lead please.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 8, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Y’know, it doesn’t seem like it tonight, but usually we’re pretty damn good at shooting triples.

by LatinD on Jan 8, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it time to do the wave?

Why does Clipper Darryl do the wave at home games and then the opposing team goes on a 20- 0 run?

by Qlippers on Jan 8, 2009 6:15 PM PST reply actions  

A fan

who wears a half Red and blue suit usually shouts “let’s go clippers”

by Qlippers on Jan 8, 2009 6:19 PM PST reply actions  

This guy?

I have to admit that’s a snappy suit.

by LatinD on Jan 8, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Love it

Can’t question the guys commitment to the team !

by Natedog1977 on Jan 8, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s not an easy suit to wear. Unless he’s color blind.

by LatinD on Jan 8, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, saw that when I googled his name. How popular is he?

by LatinD on Jan 8, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

What I'm praying for......

- A respectful team effort showing some heart (same as Detroit & Dallas games)
- Camby for 20+ boards
- Gordan for 30+ points (1st rookie since Iverson to put up those numbers)
- And of course a miracle upset not seen since the USA beat Russia in Miracle on the Ice !

by Natedog1977 on Jan 8, 2009 6:21 PM PST reply actions  

a win is not so far away , tha way the team is playing

by edu_argentina on Jan 8, 2009 6:26 PM PST reply actions  

From Bahía Blanca? Must be difficult to root against Gino. :)

by LatinD on Jan 8, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

yes, but i´m a die hard clipper

by edu_argentina on Jan 8, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s nice. At least you can watch the games now, with the Internet feeds.

by LatinD on Jan 8, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

sure i ve been able to watch more games this season than the previous 15 combined :)

by edu_argentina on Jan 8, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Heh, that’s great. Too bad they haven’t gone to the playoffs lately. They migth’ve broadcast those.

by LatinD on Jan 8, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

i tell you, when we get to the playoffs, broadcast won´t be necessary.. i´ll be on the stadium for sure :)

by edu_argentina on Jan 8, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn, I envy you.

by LatinD on Jan 8, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting observation

Clippers attempt their first free throws with 2.25 left in the 2nd quarter.

Spurs have had only 4 attempts.

Are we settling for jump shots? Scared of getting our shots blocked by the ever impressive Matt Bonner?

by Natedog1977 on Jan 8, 2009 6:27 PM PST reply actions  

HALF TIME ANALYSIS

Clippers shooting 52.6% FG’s – Hooray !
Clippers had 2 free throw attempts – Boo !
Clippers had 10 turnovers – Boo !
Duncan held to 4 points – Hooray !
Thornton must be over his flu, playing well – Hooray !
Why do journeymen always kill us? Roger Masons turn tonight – Boo !
Our defence holding them to 39.5% FG’s….but for how long?

Any other thoughts / observations from someone watching the game?

by Natedog1977 on Jan 8, 2009 6:37 PM PST reply actions  

yes, Mardy Collins is holding the fort!

by edu_argentina on Jan 8, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

  • Eric Gordon can shoot, but he’s rushing a bit.
  • Fred Jones’ jumper sure looks smooth. Who the heck is him?
  • Skinner had some hard-fought offensive rebounds that were big.

by LatinD on Jan 8, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

well

the clips sure are playing hard… so that’s a Hooray !

by cantthinkofagoodname on Jan 8, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

CS

you didn’t do your thing of picking the obscure guy that beats us. maybe you could do it now at halftime so you can put on that famous CS curse… jk

by cantthinkofagoodname on Jan 8, 2009 6:43 PM PST reply actions  

That's right...

I forgot about that with the long holiday break.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 8, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't like the matchup zone

didn’t like it going in. Spurs couldn’t shoot in the first half, so it was less obvious that it wasn’t working. but it’s not working. not against this team.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Jan 8, 2009 7:06 PM PST reply actions  

I was thinking the same, I never seen the zone work for us. It works against us

by Qlippers on Jan 8, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

mardy collins

i thought he had no offensive game… haha

by teejnut on Jan 8, 2009 7:06 PM PST reply actions  

I thought I would never see those words in my life

by Qlippers on Jan 8, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Free Throws

Any reason why each team has only attempted 4 free throws each? No calls tonight? It’s a perimeter game?

by Natedog1977 on Jan 8, 2009 7:12 PM PST reply actions  

i think we all do…

by teejnut on Jan 8, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

any type of win would do

by Qlippers on Jan 8, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

A loss will ruin my weekend :(

by Natedog1977 on Jan 8, 2009 7:16 PM PST reply actions  

Once again, a great way to start the quarter tonight…..outscored 7-0

by Natedog1977 on Jan 8, 2009 7:17 PM PST reply actions  

why is Jason Hart in the NBA anyway?

by edu_argentina on Jan 8, 2009 7:17 PM PST reply actions  

Sometimes I wonder why the Clippers are in the NBA……..but I just can’t give up on them!

by Natedog1977 on Jan 8, 2009 7:19 PM PST reply actions  

Is Ginobli balding?

or does he have a white patch like Rasheed Wallace?

by Qlippers on Jan 8, 2009 7:20 PM PST reply actions  

He’s been balding since 2005.

by LatinD on Jan 8, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

rasheed needs a haircut.. it must feel like a scruffy teddy bear

by andrewexd on Jan 8, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

bonner 's got mad skills

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 8, 2009 7:24 PM PST reply actions  

He’s been playing rather well this year. At least he can sure shoot the 3.

by LatinD on Jan 8, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

what happened?

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 8, 2009 7:26 PM PST reply actions  

oh yeah the 4th qtr!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 8, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

that's the Crab move!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 8, 2009 7:31 PM PST reply actions  

WTF

Down by 20 pts and why is Collin throwing a 27 ft lob pass

by Qlippers on Jan 8, 2009 7:32 PM PST reply actions  

samb

so thats who samb is

by teejnut on Jan 8, 2009 7:36 PM PST reply actions  

Samb Cheick in the game

by edu_argentina on Jan 8, 2009 7:36 PM PST reply actions  

Damn Samb!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 8, 2009 7:37 PM PST reply actions  

DJ time!

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 8, 2009 7:38 PM PST reply actions  

Well, guys, it was a close game for a half. I think you have a future with some of those kids, and I wish you nothing but the best for the rest of the season. Except when you play the Spurs.

See you guys later.

by LatinD on Jan 8, 2009 7:45 PM PST reply actions  

made a game of it for 3 qrts

"Duck, Crab. Crab, Duck"
Roger Sterling - Mad Men

by Lawler's Law on Jan 8, 2009 7:47 PM PST reply actions  

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