San Antonio 106 - Clippers 84
Inexplicably, the Clippers led at halftime, and even managed to withstand a 10-0 start to the second half and still hang with 6 points after three quarters. I say inexplicably, but I guess some hot shooting from Al Thornton and the unlikely Mardy Collins and Fred Jones goes a long way towards explic-ing it. That and some disinterested defense and cold shooting from the Spurs.
But as of halftime, the Clippers were outshooting the Spurs by a wide margin, and outrebounding them by a wide margin - yet LA only enjoyed a 1 point lead. Talk about inexplicable. How is that even possible? Ten turnovers had a lot to do with it, but it still seems like either the halftime stats or the halftime score was wrong. They just didn't make sense.
The second half the game returned to normal. By the end, it was the Spurs who enjoyed big advantages in both shooting and rebounding. A big Spurs run to start the fourth quarter broke the game open, and then the Spurs scrubs proceeded to dominate the Clippers scrubs (although in fairness, the Clippers are starting a couple of their scrubs, so when they are forced to play their scrubs it's like playing double scrubs).
There's not a lot to talk about in this game. The Clippers were outplayed by a far superior team, though they did make a game of it for three quarters.
This was my first extended look at the matchup zone, and it seemed like a disaster. Of course, as I mentioned in my preview, the Spurs may be the worst possible team to zone up on (up on whom to zone? Zhiv - help me here). They have shooters everywhere you look, they have perhaps the best penetrator in the NBA in Tony Parker, and they can flash Tim Duncan to the high post where he can score or pass. I actually think the zone is underutilized in the NBA - I think teams can be successful mixing up defenses, with a lot more zone thrown in that any teams currently use. But there are weaknesses, and the Spurs are the perfect team to exploit them.
With a matchup, you're kind of hoping that the offense will get rushed into a bad decision. You try to be in the passing lanes, and get deflections, and disrupt the offense. A great example was Manu's turnover in the second quarter. He caught the ball on the baseline, and he was wide open and should have shot the ball. But he was surprised to be so open, and thought Duncan was open in the lane as well, and instead of shooting a wide open 12 footer he threw a pass that got stolen.
But in the NBA, that's the exception, not the rule. It's really, really hard to be effective in a defense that's handing cutters off as the move around the court. NBA players do not need a lot of space to make shots, and there's going to be some space against a zone. The offense floods one side of the court, there are 2 defenders guarding 3 shooters - somebody is open. Again, I'm intrigued by the matchup, and think it could be effective in small doses. But all NBA teams are going to exploit it eventually, and the Spurs will do so better than most.
One wonders why MDsr is using so much zone lately. Certainly it can help keep people out of foul trouble, which is obviously important with the team so shorthanded. And even though they were up to a luxurious ten healthy bodies for this game, the simple fact of the matter is that if Gordon, Thornton or Camby gets into foul trouble, it's a disaster for the current team. I think there are some other reasons as well. It lets Camby stay near the basket, to block shots and rebound, rather than defending the likes of Matt Bonner at the three point line. It also lets the team play a less traditional group on the floor. This was more important when Hart and Jones were unavailable, since Collins and Gordon were the only guards. When one of them went to the bench for a brief rest, zone was pretty much the only option since neither Steve Novak nor Al Thornton is going to have much success defending the shooting guard.
It all makes me wonder if he's not contemplating using the zone when he gets everyone healthy as a way to get a different non-traditional group - Camby, Kaman and Randolph - on the floor together. Could they play at least a few minutes of 1-2-2, with Kaman and Camby low, and Randolph taking a wing? Zach would have the toughest assignment there, and would have to cover a lot of ground. But at some level it seems strange to put this much effort into the matchup zone just as a stopgap defense for a makeshift roster. Does it figure into the Clippers longer term plans? I'm a big believer in getting your best players on the floor, regardless of position. So I'm in favor of finding a way to play Camby, Kaman and Randolph together when they're healthy. Just a thought.
Camby's streak of 21 consecutive games of double digit rebounds was snapped tonight. Fortunately, he did get some extra rest, playing only 30 minutes. Tim Duncan was held to single digit scoring for the first time this season, for what that's worth. The teams combined to shoot a mere 20 free throws; the game was over pretty fast.
On to New Orleans tomorrow night. (Damn, I still have to write a preview!) I'm sure the Clippers will be happy when this trip is over, if only because it represents some hope of reenforcements. I'm not saying that Randolph and Baron and Kaman are all going to suit up Sunday against the Suns - I don't know, but I doubt that's the case. But as long as they're on the road and those guys are in LA, they KNOW they're facing tough teams shorthanded. It's got to be daunting.
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I don't like the zone much.
I was at the Detroit game, and it didn’t look very effective despite the fact that we held the Pistons under 90. Guys get open way to often and it is clear that players aren’t sure when to defend certain players and when to let them go. There was one example where Al was defending Parker on the baseline and Parker gave it off to Duncan and looked like he was going to run to the other side of the court. Al left Parker way to early to double Duncan, and Parker was wide open under the basket where he was smart enough to stop in his tracks. Duncan found him and the Spurs got an easy two. I think that it’s hard to institute a defense in the middle of the season that most guys haven’t played. Especially a zone, where teamwork is a necessity. These guys definitely have not gelled, and they were leaving Spurs open all over the floor. I was somewhat hopeful when the Spurs continued to miss open threes, but I knew it couldn’t last and it didn’t. I don’t mind when the Clipper defenders play off the three point line a bit and encourage the opposing team to take that shot, but I can’t stand a simple possession where just a couple of passes leads to a wide open three because someone isn’t sure where to be.
That said, I think that there are a few good points to it, namely the foul trouble with a decimated line-up. Gordon still picked up two quick fouls in this one, though, and the Clippers suited up ten today (yay!). I think that CS is right; a zone is good for a change of pace, but I don’t think that it should be used to this extent.
I was really surprised by Al Thornton’s shooting tonight. He really kept us right with San Antonio in the first half. He was knocking down his open shots. I feel like that midrange shot is a key for Al. However, I am a little alarmed that this game might serve as encouragement for Al to continue taking those shots. It’s good in a game like this where the team is clearly overmatched, but I think that some of those shots could disrupt the flow of the offense (i.e. Gordon) in a game that the Clippers have a real chance to win.
Gordon didn’t get thirty, but he’s scored 20+ in six straight games. That’s amazing for a rookie. He’s continuing to contribute despite the fact that teams are zoning in on him (no pun intended). He gets his points at the line. I love the kid’s agression and his instincts on defense, with the exception of his second fould tonight. Also, I think it must be noted that Eric Gordon seems to be having an exceptionally tough time getting fouls. It was frustrating me a lot, as he seemed to be absorbing a lot of contact, even on his made buckets but the referees give him any calls. I get that he’s a rookie. I get that he’s a Clipper. I guess when you put the two together, you get a player who rarely gets those calls.
I was really surprised with the offensive play of Mardy Collins. However, I feel the same with him as I do with Al. I hope that this game doesn’t encourage him. If he can contribute and hit some timely shots, that’s great. He just needs to be a facilitator which I think he can be for the meantime. Hey, at least he’s trying (*cough*violent cough*I might be dying cough Baron Davis *cough*cough).
I’m not at all blaming the referee’s for a 22 point loss, but I think that evey game called by Stevie Javie is worth mentioning to some extent on Clipper Nation. There was nothing major that I saw, but little things like Gordon’s inability to get calls were getting on my nerves a bit. Also, that one shot that Mardy hit as the shot clock expired should have been with a new shot clock. The shot before, I think by Al, clearly hit the rim and Milph mentioned that too. I don’t know why I’m mentioning this. I just don’t want win number 9 to be taken away by calls like this. However, I don’t see this team coming very close to their ninth win any time soon.
by WestsideBrandon on
Jan 9, 2009 12:30 AM PST
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Steve Javie
I hate that guy. Of course, he had no impact on this game.
Mardy Collins is a terrible offensive basketball player. Some shots went in. I don’t expect it to happen again.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on
Jan 9, 2009 1:02 AM PST
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Hey CS
Just a note on your writing. Don’t know if you’re going for a journalism degree (I thought I might have read that somewhere in one of your comments…) but just a quick grammatical mistake I come across all the time…
In the second to last sentence you use the word “their” twice, which is a possesive (things that belong to them – e.g. their jerseys).
I think you meant to use the contraction “they’re” (a shortening of “they” and "are").
I know it’s knit picking and this is just a blog. I would never point it out in comments as they’re not editable and people usually just write fragmented thoughts and ideas.
Good thoughts as always. I was amazed they kept it that close for as long as they did. Top 4 Western Conference team challenged by benchwarmers? It could only last so long….
by moKi on
Jan 9, 2009 1:01 AM PST
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That’s my thing. I screw up the possessive all the time. it’s not that I don’t know the proper usage. I just get typing, and don’t notice it when I’m proofreading. It’s a whole meme with citizen zhiv – he’s always on my case about it. Sometimes I get motivated and scan the document for their/there/they’re, its/it’s, your/you’re – amazingly, I screw them all up. But usually I’m in too much of a hurry to just hit enter.
So their.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on
Jan 9, 2009 1:05 AM PST
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Haha
Sorry, didn’t know the Zhiv had already pointed that our for you. Writing with speed is quite difficult to achieve simultaneously.
On a side note I listened to the podcast/interview you did with the Phoenix Blogger (can’t remember his name at the moment). I tried to start my own Clipper podcast a couple of years ago but ran out of steam after about two episodes :(. They’re hard to do solo!
Anyhow, I enjoyed listening to your thoughts and I was wondering if you’d let me interview you for a couple and maybe we can post them here. Maybe we can even do an occasional roundtable thing with some other regulars.
Or maybe you guys have already done/tried that and no one downloaded or listened?
by moKi on
Jan 9, 2009 1:15 AM PST
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Never really tried podcasting
Some people have a face for radio. I have a voice for blogging.
Actually, I’ve just never wanted to check into the technology. The couple of times I’ve done them with other blogs, they seem pretty simple and pretty interesting. If you’re up for spearheading it, I’ll show up. I have to get on a phone and talk, right? I can handle that.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on
Jan 9, 2009 1:28 AM PST
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fixed them
that was quite a little treasure trove of mistakes. Thanks for catching it. Maybe I’ll be lucky and Zhiv hasn’t seen them yet.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on
Jan 9, 2009 1:08 AM PST
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Mistakes?
What mistakes?
In the past couple of days we’ve seen the three levels of the most basic writing mistakes, most of it with possessives. The first class is you’re/your and their/they’re, which we’re/were (oddly, a mistake no one/noone would make) supposed to figure out in third grade and it’s/its not that tough, but sometimes when you write quickly they can pop up. It’s/its slightly insidious because of course spellcheck doesn’t pick them, not that I’m a spellcheck guy, and people actually seem to spell pretty well in general. (And with the NBA and late night and blogging/message boards you get a healthy share of buzzed and drunken writing, which lowers the curve a bit.)
I have to say that I’m fascinated by it’s/its, which is in the second class, all by itself. People seem to stop at their and your and just wing it with its. I read a few hundred screenplays a year and, being more than slightly compulsive, I fold down the corner of the first page with the its/it’s mistake on every one, and roughly 40% blow it in the first 10 pages, 60% in the first 30, and I would say that less than 25% are don’t make the mistake at all. You see it all the time, in all sorts of writing. Part of the reason I obsess on it is because I don’t think I figured it out myself until grad school. (Really? That’s how it works? Why can’t I remember that?)
But who cares? Not me. I’m amused, but I don’t care. It’s strange that the formidable CS is stuck at the first level, but it doesn’t affect/effect his writing, and the fun for me is when writers get frisky with language the way that CS uses explic-ing in the post above. The third category is the subtle slip up/misusage, like affect/effect and the one we saw yesterday, compliment/complement. Our fearless leader makes that type of mistake very rarely, if ever.
Oh, and about that game—why did Mardy Collins have to miss all of those layups, after he played so well in the first half? Jason Hart just kills you in a game like that too; he was horrible. And how much does Steve Novak wish he was playing on the Spurs? Novak could still be a contributor, but he can’t do much when the Clips have no low post presence.
Wish we were able to call it a quality loss, but it’s/its not allowed. Got what I was hoping for out of Al Thornton, however, and the Thornton/Gordon tandem looked good and did their/there jobs.
It occurs to me that maybe the way to work through the non-problem problem is to write/right out both versions throughout a few pieces of writing/righting, because when they’re/their side-by-side generally the correct version is obvious/oblivious.
by citizen zhiv on
Jan 9, 2009 7:58 AM PST
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Spell Check
My first grad school professor,who is, no lie, a newspaper editor, was one of those spellers so dependent on spell check that she would continually (though not continuously – there’s a good, subtle difference misuse word) use the completely incorrect word – not just a homophone. The class was on media management, and in her first posting on the discussion board, she spelled manager M-A-N-G-E-R – not just once, but several times. There was another one, which eludes me now, where the word she used (which spell check clearly picked for her) was so completely unrelated to what she was saying, and not even ultimately very close to the word that she was trying to spell, that it took me several minutes to figure out what her original intent had been.
I don’t know why I continue to zhiv the possessives. It’s been such a running gag here, one would think that I’d simply exercise extreme caution around them and address the issue. Personally, I would maintain that the continuum is from your/you’re to there/their/they’re to its/it’s. The problem, of course being the possessive pronoun its – it’s just makes such perfect sense given standard rules for possessives. The dog’s ball. It’s ball. Apostrophe s. Right? Wrong. It would be easier if that particular possessive pronoun just avoided the s ending – maybe we should starting using an alternative around here – he – his, you – your, they – their, it – ir. There/their/they’re is tougher than your/you’re simply because there are more ways to screw it up. I feel like I see more there/their mistakes and that most people get the contraction right, even if that’s not necessarily the case with me.
As for how to ameliorate the problem, rather than spell out both, one thing I’ve consider is avoiding those particular contractions. If one simply were to write out they are, you are, it is every time, one would avoid most of these problems. It would have the added benefit (as opposed to systematically writing both alternatives) of being correct (if not especially free flowing) were one to forget to make the corrections before posting, or to miss one or two.
By the way, I’m certain that screenwriters feel that it’s unimportant. The words are meant to be spoken, and whether they use its or it’s wouldn’t matter coming out of the actor’s mouth.
Here’s a question for the grammatically inclined: possessives on team names. Some cases are less clear than others, but off the top of my head, consider these situations:
- Baron’s Clippers career. Clearly the career ‘belongs’ to Baron which is where the possessive goes, and Clippers in this case is an adjective describing the noun career.
- The Clippers’ defense. Interestingly, I think you can make an argument for any of three alternatives here: Clipper defense (as an adjective, using the singular to refer to the whole), Clippers defense (an adjective again, but using the plural) or Clippers’ (as a possessive – the group of players known as the Clippers possesses their defense). The adjective or possessive question boils down to the question of which defense versus whose defense – in many situations, either would suffice. I don’t think you can argue that Clipper’s would ever be correct.
I try to avoid Clippers’ though I do not consider it incorrect, simply because it is rarely if ever spoken that way. The s-apostrophe is meant to be pronounced as an extra syllable – Chris’ foot injury is spoken Chrises foot injury. But no one wants to say Clipperses.
Thoughts?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on
Jan 9, 2009 9:12 AM PST
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I agree
When it comes to writing, I guess I am a traditionalist. I try to go with the separates and hope that people contract them in their heads as they read them. Thus I do try to avoid the dreaded “they’re” and just type out “they are” (unless I’m just commenting or purposely trying to write in a conversational tone).
As far as the Clipper thing, I think I waffle back and forth between (a) the “Clipper defense” and (b) the “Clippers defense”. I give the “s”-less version first pick because it sounds better to me when spoken. Having to sound out the s feels extraneous and gives me that stewardesseseseses (too-many-“s”-sounds-close-together) feeling.
In some bizarre way I think that if the defense became so good and tough that it took on a life of it’s own, (i.e. media was talking about it, team was proud of it and based winning games on it) then maybe at that point it would be something that they owned and thus I might be tempted to use “Clipper’s defense”. Does that make sense?
by moKi on
Jan 9, 2009 12:32 PM PST
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Kind of know what you mean...
Is it an adjective or a possessive? Well, unfortunately, it’s usually an adjective, and a pejorative one at that. As in ‘What a Clippers thing to do.’
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on
Jan 9, 2009 12:53 PM PST
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