Day Three of Clippers Training Camp - Bassy Rolls his Ankle
by Steve Perrin on Oct 1, 2009 12:48 PM PDT
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The Clippers morning practice session was a little shorter than usual today. It wasn't just a matter of coach MDsr giving the guys some time off for working hard so far. It also had to do with the simple math of having fewer players practicing. Blake Griffin continues to rest his bruised knee, and Taj Gray sat out for a second day in a row. But near the start of today's session, during a fast break drill, Sebastian Telfair stepped on someone's foot and rolled his ankle. It was wrapped and elevated when I first saw him, and although he was walking on it after practice (a good sign), he was doing so quite gingerly (not so good a sign).
The fact that he was hanging on the sideline, and hobbling around the gym, tells you this isn't one of those Keyon Dooling 2001, gut-wrenching sprains where the guy misses most of the season. Bassy's 'day-to-day' at this point. But ankles are always problematic, and he's definitely going to miss some days, which is unfortunate because the more time he spends on the floor, the more time guys like DeAndre Jordan have to get used to catching his other worldly passes.
(I didn't mention this before, but when I walked in the gym on Tuesday, the first play I saw was a Bassy to DJ lob. Let's face it - I was geeked about Mike Taylor throwing lobs to these DJ and Blake Superior in Summer League. With Bassy throwing the passes the Clippers could lead the league in alley oops.)
Perhaps owing to Bassy's injury, CMDsr seemed a little more reserved in his post-practice comments today.
One irony of the Dunleavy era in LA is that the team has always shot so poorly. Over the last few days, coach has ragaled us with stories of devising a statistic specifically to point out the value of the three point shot, and how John Lucas dismantled him on the tennis court in order to exact his revenge for losing two years worth of shooting games to Dunleavy. The guy could shoot the ball. And he loves shooters. Three of the four guys he invited to camp (Anthony Roberson, Jerel McNeal and Kareem Rush) are hanging around the NBA for pretty much one reason - because they can shoot. And yet, the Clippers have been at or near the bottom of the league in three pointers attempted, and three point percentage, and most any other three point category, for most of the time that MDsr has been the coach.
Last season, with the addition of Eric Gordon and Steve Novak, there was an uptick in those stats. And when asked who looked good in practice today, CMDsr focused on shooting, singling out Novak, Gordon and Ricky Davis for lighting it up. (He also praised DeAndre Jordan for the second day in a row and gave props to Chris Kaman.)
At the mention of Novak, I asked the coach where he thought his shooting specialist could get sustained minutes this season - at the 3 or the 4. His response validated what I've said before here at Clips Nation. Novak's minutes will likely be situational and opportunistic. He's an incredible weapon on the offensive end, but the limitations in the rest of his game make it a challenge to keep him on the floor. Expect CMDsr to use Novak when he feels there's a matchup that allows him to get away with it - whether that matchup is at the three or the four. Most of those opportunities came at the four last season. It remains to be seen with the number of quality bigs on the Clippers roster (barring injuries) if Novak can get even those opportunities this season.
Last thing - at the end of practice I interrupted Ralph as he was working on his blog post to plug the "Blake Superior Campaign." He liked the nickname, but didn't make any promises. Those of you on Facebook might casually mention it as well - keep it in front of him.
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thanks for the updates CS! no way LAT or the pest could give us clips fans this kind of inside info! Too bad about bassy…our pg position continues to be an issue…hopefully it stops once the season starts!
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
Now now...
Lisa’s there every day, and has tons of info I don’t have. She just doesn’t get the column inches to ramble about whatever she likes.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
oh...i'll definetly keep it in ralph's radar on fb...
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
Speaking of Facebook
Steve, have you ever given thought to creating a fan page for Clips Nation on facebook? Just another way to spread all the Clipper love to the rest of the world.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Here's the thing...
I kind of don’t get FB, and I especially don’t get fan pages. The dirty little secret is that there is a CN fan page on FB… I just never told anyone about it. It seems like every comment on FB, is one that isn’t on CN, which is where I want people. I know that it’s supposed to be a synergy thing, but I just don’t see it.
Can you explain it to me?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
My take
is just that the more exposure you (ie Clips Nation) have (via facebook, twitter, myspace, etc), the more likely you will get new people to ultimately come here and read/participate. I see your point about wanting the comments here and not elsewhere, but I am sure there is some middle ground. Like you say, it’s a synergy thing, but who knows how it really works out.
Funny, I just assumed there wasn’t a fan page, but there is. I must ask, is that your real license plate too? Cuz if it is, then that is awesome!! You should make that your photo ID for SBN as well.
Do or do not. There is no try.
Oh..and another thing
One other thing I thought of which FB does really well is photos. If/when you have a viewing party, the FB fan page would be the place to post all the photos and even the event details. It’s easy to do and easy for everyone to access, whereas the SBN website is a little cumbersome and difficult when it comes to posting pictures.
You could even get a pretty good head count for the events (assuming most of us are actually on FB) with the event invite function. Just something to think about.
Do or do not. There is no try.
I love that...
I do not have to go to the Training Center to get updates. Would they let me in anyway— doubt it. I am glad that you send out these daily updates: injuries, comments, who looks good, etc. It is nice to see that there are other people like me that are so interested in Clippers’ basketball all year long. Great Job Steve— I feel like we are on a first name basis, right?
Thanks so much Steve.
I am really excited to see telfair play, I wish him a speedy recovery. Those who are interested, the 2005 documentary about his last year in High School is on Youtube.
Blake Superior - Ugh
Blake Superior is cute but a little too arrogant for even a #1 pick everybodys talking about. Clips have one of the top all time overhyped players in Bassy. Don’t jinx this kid. Check with DeAndre he’ll have a much better idea. DeAndre and Blake really have great senses of humor don’t saddle the kid with something the other guys will wince at.
I don't think it's a problem
if he (BG) did not choose it for himself. Also you might get the opposite affect by getting DeAndre to choose a nickname for BG (might be too silly). What about Blake the Great? Has that been used already?
"Excellence...is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle
A Jax comment in three acts:
Day 1 – Day One of Training Camp – Post Game Report
“What was said about the playbook” “It would be "very good" to hear that they are revising that.”
Day 2 – Day Two of Clippers Training Camp – Credit Where Credit is Due
“MDSr taking credit for that reminds me of " “Al Gore taking credit for inventing the internet”
Day 3 – Day Three of Clippers Training Camp – Bassy Rolls his Ankle
“This is great”
A pattern of discomfort with neutral/good Clippers news, and a distinct upturn in attitude with bad news. He demonstrates his hate more than I ever could.
Should I hire a security guard?
You are obsessive. Get a life.
For your information, the upturn was similar to what others said – commenting on Steve’s excellent and quick reports from onsite, not on Telfair’s injury.
by Jax on Oct 1, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
i have to agree with Jax-y on this...
when i read his comment, i figured it was regarding CS’ great insider reporting…it wasn’t until I read JR’s post that the comment was construed in negative light…Jax does tend to have a virtual "black cloud" around his posts, but I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt that he likes to play devil’s advocate…that’s all I have to say ‘bout that!
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
Excelent stuff...
I love all the inside information about training camp. Can’t wait until the season begins!
Mardy Collins Time!
Interesting choice to take the first bullet from the Curse.
So what do those 3 five man teams look like now? Does this show that the Clips are thin at backup PG? What does CMDSr think of Collins as a PG? Did he think he could play PG when they got him in the trade, or was it just as accident of circumstance?
What about moving Eric Gordon down to the second team to play PG against BD? What does that lineup look like, expecially with BS (is that a problem with the new nickname? BG, I mean) coming back?
We're on the same page...
I blanked today with the news of Telfair, but these questions, almost word for word, are in my notebook for tomorrow.
I got the final seconds of a scrimmage when they let us in, and it was not the 5-on-5-on-5 things – it was a blue vs. white, starters split up, sort of thing. I didn’t write it down, but Marcus, Baron, Ricky, Butler and maybe Smith were on the floor for one team.
No Telfair right now doesn’t matter much… Roberson can get some burn in the first pre-season game before being sent on his way. But yeah, does Collins get all the backup 1 minutes in the event of a regular season injury? Does EJ get a look?
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
Has anyone asked about what they are planning for offensive schemes yet?
Does MDSr think that they need to do anything different to get BD more involved?
Has BD expressed anything about the offense.
ETC.
by Jax on Oct 1, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
That thing about old dogs and new tricks...
Wouldn’t expect much change in Dunleavy’s methodology…some slight refinement is all that can be really expected. But either way, it’s gonna be hard to keep this roster slowed down.
Understand but I'd like to see someone ask those kinds of questions
to see what the guy has to say
True, but i'd argue that would be counter-productive
To a prideful guy like Dunleavy, telling him to run more by asking swarmy questions will motivate him to try to win w/ ball control.
Reporters shouldn't be afraid of their interviewees
Those aren’t swarmy questions. IMO. They are legitimate questions that need to be asked in a respectful way, but they should be asked.
by Jax on Oct 2, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
Though my point wasn’t a matter of courage, just the bottom line. But you bring up a good point, the local reporters are probably pretty chummy w/ Dunleavy in order to get more interviews, access, etc.
No one's afraid to ask the question
But there’s no point. We know the answer. MDsr has talked about playing more uptempo all summer. That’s what he’d say now. We need to see what the team actually does, since talk is cheap.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
EJ can roll as PG all day,
or Mardy and even play Novak as a 2 to go big in the back court.
So is BS the new initials for Blake Superior?
I kind of like BG over BS.
As far as Bassy he will recover but I wonder who was on the team that lost in the scrimmage?
What have you seen from EJ up until this point to suggest he can play PG?
by Michael White on Oct 1, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know, maybe last season,
when we only had the league min. players healthy and he (we) had no choice and he did real well considering the players we had to work with at the time.
He didn't watch any games last year...
Wasn’t around.
Which is why he thinks most of us are “negative” when we get worried about injuries.
I agree...
I think EJ at the 1 is okay for a 5 min stretch here or there when we are in a tight spot, but If I was coach MDSR I would be regretting that skinner signing; we need a 3rd pg.
Why waste a spot on an extra PG when we have 4 now,
BD, Bassy, Mardy(1,2 combo) and EJ (1, 2 combo).
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
They have 1.6
BD (injury prone) and Bassy (not someone that we can count on for long stretches if BD goes down.
Because
Mardy Collins is not good.
And EJ is not a point guard.
And that’s not wasting a spot. He’s arguing that adding Skinner wasted a spot on a 5th big man.
by Michael White on Oct 2, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Mardy can hold his own and EJ can play PG ok too.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Some of the best ball movement we had last year was when Mardy was running point. I remember the game agaisnt DET in which AI nailed that damn game winner, Mardy had like 11 assists. He’s got decent size, strength, and handles for the PG spot.
For a throw in as part of the Z-Bo trade, I’m still pretty happy with what he brings as a 10th man.
by Gordon for President on Oct 2, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Me too,
Mardy gave a lot last season and did real well, just think this season he will have full training camp. pre-season and the new practice joint. Not to forget he is only a third year guy in the NBA.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Someone's missing from this...
First off, thanks for all the update! Really excited for the upcoming season…
One thing missing from all the updates (unless I personally missed them) is the condition of Baron Davis on the court. Does he look good, is he saying much, etc. etc. The success of the upcoming season I believe hinges on BD’s leadership on the court.
Blake Superior?
I don’t get it. Is there a story behind this I missed? Reference, please. I have been gone most of the summer.
Without knowing the meaning behind it, I think it’s pompous and not at all in line with his seemingly humble nature so far…
If I had to come up with one, from what I’ve seen so far it’d be “the Smash”.
Blake “The Smash” Griffin
Smash for short.
Bandicoot when he goes off maybe.
All I got, but not any worse than “Superior”, no? “Superior” just sounds old and makes me think of going to court. Ugh.
I don't like the nickname either
We really don’t have too many lakes in the area, heck one of the biggest ones is a man-made reservoir (Silverlake).
What’s wrong with nicknames like Big Country etc. Personally nicknames like Blake “The Lionheart” Griffin work to me. I mean the guys last name is a mythical beast, surely if we’re going to go be Punny with his names we should go with that instead of his asexual first name no?
FA in 2010.
Also we still need a nickname for Eric Gordon Jr.
and really I don’t think EJ cuts it. Most people are already going to be confused about that one considering those arent even his initials.
I think Eric “The Babyfaced Assassin” Gordon or Eric “The Commissioner” Gordon both work.
FA in 2010.
I've always though Flash Gordon makes the most sense.
by Gordon for President on Oct 1, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
That was under consideration too
but the comic is a bit outdated. Plus some guy named Wade is already nicknamed Flash.
FA in 2010.
Right...
EJ is good enough for me!
'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Oct 1, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
No outside appeal
We might know that his family calls him EJ to distinguish him from his dad but how would a fan in Atlanta know that back story?
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Oct 2, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Wade was Superman until Shaq came to town, who then took the nickname and dubbed Wade Flash. Guarantee hardly anyone remembers that name, it’s not really applied anymore. Steve, push Flash Gordon on Milph, EJ deserves some swagger.
by Gordon for President on Oct 2, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Milph reminds me
Milph itself is the best nickname we have by far.
Yea I am definitely not into Blake Superior
either. It’s not catchy, and Lake Superior is famous for a couple of shipwrecks, which seems like a bad omen for a team named the Clippers.
Sorry SP, it was a good effort but I think we have to go another route on this one. Please don’t block me, as I have grown very fond of Clips Nation over this past year.
I love Shake n' Blake
Hi Everyone, I’ve been following Clips Nation as a devoted Clippers fan for the last year but for some reason I haven’t posted until now. Probably because I’m not a basketball expert by any means, but I’m a huge NBA fan. My dad’s a devoted Lakers fan and I was too for a long time, but he always took me and my brothers to Clippers games since that’s all we could afford and there were always tickets available. A couple years ago I realized I had stopped cheering for the Lakers, and only cared what was happening with the perpetually disappointing, yet compelling Clippers. I’m an eternal optimist, what can I say?
But this debate about the nickname brought me out of the shadows :) I think that on a cerebral level, the nickname Blake Superior is brilliant. But in practice it just doesn’t roll off the tongue and it brings to much baggage (like the implied arrogance and definitely this notion of shipwrecks). The best sports nicknames are usually meaningless or extremely simple – TO, Ocho Cinco, K-Rod, Magic, etc.
I saw Silverman’s suggestion for Shake n’ Blake on the last post. I can hear Ralph in my head saying it over and over during the telecasts every time Blake throws down a dunk and a teammate earns another assist. I don’t this one’s on any ESPN page yet, so I vote that Clips Nation push for this nickname and Silverman and Clips Nation can share credit for originating. What do you guys think?
Wow, thanks for the endorsement!
This is all going to pan out, whichever way it goes. Sooner or later it’s going to depend on what people start saying. I should say that I like Blake Superior. AtotheZ suggested Shake n’ Blake as a tandem name for Gordon and Griffin, which I also think is catchy. Maybe they both could fit in, then. The people will decide, I’m sure.
Welcome to Clip Nation, in any case. Good to have your voice!
As they say at AM PM -
Too much good stuff.
First of all, welcome. Second, a chick! An actual female citizen of Clips Nation. I know, I know, there have been a couple others here and there. But somehow I think Citizen ClippChick is here to stay. Her first foray into commenting was just too good. She can’t leave after this intro.
Your points about Blake Superior are well taken. It’s becoming evident that I’m going to have to write a full blown post on this topic, selling the nickname. The bottom line is, it’s not going to be the ‘every day’ nickname for the guy. That will no doubt be something banal like BG or BGriff or just Griff. This is the ‘Sunday-go-to-meetin’ nickname. The one Ralph breaks out on special occasions. And that’s as it should be.
I must say, I don’t get the ‘implied arrogance’ argument against. We’re not going to call him ‘Blake OK’ or ‘Blake Mediocre’ are we? It’s a play on a common landmark/phrase, it’s an elegant word (better than Great or Awesome or Wicked, as a word superior is simply superior), and let’s face it, it is incredibly descriptive of the guy. As compared to other human beings, this guy is clearly superior.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Oct 1, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Here to stay
Thanks for the warm welcome! Steve, you must have studied Psychology, because your positive reinforcement definitely makes me want to keep posting. Thanks for putting together such a great blog – I really like the thoughtfulness of your posts and the intelligence of all (well, almost all) of the citizens of Clips Nation. That’s what keeps bringing me back every day.
I really do love Blake Superior, just not as the every day nickname, so I’ll fully support your campaign. The fact that everyone can get so engrossed in this nickname debate kind of shows how special he is – I’m sure the Cleveland Cavaliers fans were doing a similar kind of thing around awarding the nickname King James to LeBron. So if he can be royalty, we can use the word “superior”. Just as long as Blake doesn’t start using the nickname himself! Then I might have to vomit…
DeAndre for MFP - Most Funniest Player
Smart Take
Blake Superior might be a good thing to call him after he makes some great plays or puts the team on his back, but it’s a little much for an every day…especially given how he’s such a great character guy, let’s keep him humble if we can.
Also, an unfortunate thing about Blake Superior are the initials, BS.
G-G-G-UNIT?
Lame. Of course Gordon and Griffin are both Gs so I bet this catches on a little.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Oct 2, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it has potential...
And really, it could be worse. Hopefully it becomes a quality problem if and when they can prove to consistently beat some good teams.
Disaffection
Nice work by ClippChick. What I like is the way that she perfectly describes what we should officially label “Laker Disaffection Syndrome,” which has created a number of upstanding ClipsNation Citizens.
“A couple years ago I realized I had stopped cheering for the Lakers, and only cared what was happening with the perpetually disappointing, yet compelling Clippers.”
Not only a female citizen, but it sounds like CC is ready to join Club Optimism. Welcome!
I'm ready to join Club Optimism
Thanks Citizen Zhiv! I’m definitely on board – but trying to keep my hopes on the DL until we see what actually happens when the season starts. What I like most about this offseason is that Dunleavy seems to be acknowledging the importance of teambuilding and leadership, not only bringing in great players but also great assistant coaches. Plus I love the incredible work ethic of BG and EG and the way it’s rubbing off on everyone else. But again – let’s wait until the season starts and see how things unfold.
DeAndre for MFP - Most Funniest Player
The Shipwreck Thing
Hadn’t thought about that. Pretty funny, the Clippers, Blake Superior, the wreck of the Edmund Fitzdunleavy. Is that a B/Lake Superior shipwreck?
Personally, I think Blake Griffin's name is cool as is.
It’s a pretty marketable name. Griffin.
I like Griff...
'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Oct 1, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Mount Griffin...
That’s my vote…for now.
by The Only Team That Matters on Oct 1, 2009 10:08 PM PDT reply actions
BG Knockout
it’s got a hip-hop reference (west coast rapper for those that don;t know) and i think it fits BG’s rough n tough play!
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
The Punisher
He’s going to punish the hell out of other teams.
Blake Griffin
Yeah, I vote for Blake Griffin. Let him show us what he´s got in an actual NBA game, before labelling him.
Eventually, if a nickname pours off, we´ll adopt it not before using it for a bit. Think of all the other nicknames we use here. It works that way, like in the real life.
After all this, I suspect we´ll end up using something like BG or B-Griff. The more simple is often better.
Am I the only Clipper Fan in South America?
Sorry to drift off here
I just thought about something Crazy! With Shaq and Yao out of the west, two All Star spots opened up. Remember back in 07-08 when some thought that kaman played at an All Star level ? He had a heck of a season. Clippers only won 23 games and drafted EG.
What IF Kaman returns to 2.0 or better ? Would an appearance on that special weekend
be too wild? I think yes BUT not completely out of the question.
Threadjack alert!
Actually, we had this discussion a while back shortly after the Shaq trade. On paper, the race is wide open, and certainly Kaman would be in theoretical contention if he were to play at hi 07-08 level. Camby should in theory get consideration as well.
In reality, here’s how it will happen. You have to remember about the way the spots are chosen. The starter is voted on by the fans, and there’s no way Kaman wins a beauty contest like that. Andrew Bynum will be the starter. Why? Because he plays for the Lakers. All he has to do is be their starter and not be terrible and he’ll win the fan vote – he’ll be on National at least twice a week between the start of the season and All Star weekend. He’s in.
Reserves are chosen by coaches, who get more leeway. So even though Duncan will be listed as a PF on the ballot, they’re allowed to call him a center. Now, Duncan will probably be a starter, but Stoudemire and Gasol are there also.
The final piece of the puzzle is the team’s record, which always figures much more than it should. So a combination of decent numbers and a good team record could get Nene, Okafor or maybe even Oden in. By the same token, if the Clippers are above .500, the surprise team of the conference, it changes everything.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
All Star centers in the west...hmmm
Candidates: Okur, Bynum, Camby, Kaman, Biedrins, Hawes, Oden, Hilario, Okafor
If classified as C: Amare?, Duncan?
I think it would be hard for Kaman or Camby to make it if they’re splitting time. I’m thinking Bynum or Oden could get voted in as a starter assuming they are playing well.
Yao will probably get voted in even if he don't play a game,
but the rules wouldn’t let him qualify for voting if he don’t play.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
It will be interesting to see if the Chinese vote will go to Scola in the west and Yi in the east.
Did you know they have as much NBA on TV (if not more) than the US?
Yeah, that's the picture ....
The Notorious BG, ‘cuz there’s no ‘I’ in team! (There’s a real shipwreck of references there).
The Notorious B.A.G. (Blake Austin Griffin)
'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!
by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Oct 2, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Griff-N-Dunk and E-Splash are the G-Force.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
naming nick
Nick names are great and overated all in the same breath determined only on its path to getting. Both brilliant and shameful are nicknames. I absolutely love them and detest them alike. Great ones like; The Big Hurt or The Worm. Yet the insipid such as the over used ones as Hollywood or overly simple L.O.‘S. Never the less in no attempt dump on this subject, I humbly insert. Blake Superior is great but keep sensing it, as well, as a situational one reserved for the rare exclamative moments. Commisioner for Gordon, I like. Let’s not try to be to careful or commercial in this entertaining time passer of a subject, in throwing out names. Throw em’ out their and something will stick like; Mud, Havok, Riddick, Mr. Glass or Pepper or even Blake the Freight Griffin.
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