Random Clipper Thoughts on a Sunday Night
I'm looking forward to the game against the Warriors tomorrow night. I won't be going out to Staples because of soccer practice (so far Clippers management has failed to take my youth soccer schedule into consideration with the game schedule, and I'll also miss the Jazz game on Saturday), but since this one is on TV I'll have it on the DVR when I get home. In fact, it will be great fun to see the team in HD for the first time in 6 months, and to hear Milph bantering inanely (and occasionally anely). Clipper killer Anthony Morrow scored 30 against Phoenix on a tennis court in the desert Saturday - imagine how many points he'll score playing indoors? I recommend the Clippers find this guy on the court. By the way, how did the best shooter in the history of the universe go undrafted? Seriously, what is that?
The Warriors are a terrible pre-season opponent. You go into pre-season wanting to work on your sets, and work on a bunch of 'normal' game scenarios, and here come the Warriors, throwing normal right out the window. Happily Blake Griffin may be the perfect big to throw at GSW. He's strong enough to push Anthony Randolph around on one end, but may actually be quick enough to stay with him on the other. Here's hoping that we get to see major minutes of those two head to head, because that could be run.
Golden State continues to be incredibly dysfunctional, even as they win pre-season games. Stephen Jackson was suspended for two pre-season games for his behavior during the Lakers game on Friday. (BTW, who suspends players for pre-season games? Just like they did last season when the suspended Monta Ellis during his injury absence, they've again suspended a player when it has no impact on the team, and only costs the player money. Hell, I'm sure Jax is perfectly happy to take a break during pre-season.) It's early yet, but for the moment the Clippers North have surpassed the Clippers South in dysfunction.
Rotations during the Warriors game will be interesting to watch. Against the Blazers, Chris Kaman picked up two early fouls and MDsr went to DeAndre Jordan. I think he felt he had to go big against Greg Oden (a tough cover for Marcus Camby), plus he wanted to limit Griffin's minutes in his first game after banging his knee. So Jordan was the call. When Jordan also got into foul trouble, there was room for Craig Smith in the rotation, and then Griffin slid down to the three for a bit as well. But Griffin won't play any three against the Warriors.
Assuming MDsr sticks with the same starting five, Camby will be on Randolph to start. But as of right now, Corey Maggette is the Warriors back up power forward, and it's hard to imagine Camby (or Craig Smith for that matter) defending Maggette. So look for Griffin to get that assignment, or possibly for Al Thornton to play the four (as he did in the first pre-season game against the Warriors).
All of this exposes the fact that the Clippers remain a bit thin on the wings. If Ricky Davis is healthy and plays well, it goes a long way to correcting that, and Mardy Collins should also get off the bench in this game. But the Warriors, more than any other team in the league, throw wing after wing after wing at you. Their point guards are really wings. Their power forwards are really wings. Basically, everyone on their roster except Biedrins and Turiaf is a wing. What a crazy team. Rasual Butler had trouble defending smaller guards on Friday when the Blazers went with Jerryd Bayless at the two - he'll be pushed by the likes of either Stephen Curry or Monta Ellis if he has to defend one of them as well.
But enough about the Warriors. How 'bout them Clippers? There were so many nice things that happened in the Portland game, I'm really looking forward to seeing if they can be sustained. Don't forget that Griffin, Telfair and Camby (who all played well against Portland) all missed the first game.
Defense is the first order of business, and the Warriors present unique challenges. They run, they take early shots, and they put shooters all over the floor. The Clippers were active on Friday, getting 32 deflections in the game (MDsr will tell you that if you get 30+ deflections, you almost always win).
I'd love to see a front line of Jordan and Griffin get extended run in this game. They have the athleticism to keep up with the Warriors on defense, and the size to punish them on offense. On the other hand, they are also young and the risk is that they could get caught up in the Warriors frenzy, leading to sloppy play and turnovers. But what better time than pre-season to work on it?
We've been so positive about the Trailblazers game, I feel that I need to point out a few of flies in the ointment as well.
- Oden and Przybilla KILLED the Clippers on the boards. Biedrins has the potential to do the same. Kaman's jump shot was going in Friday, but I'll tell you this: the single biggest identifier for Kaman 2.0 is defensive rebounding. If he's a montster on the boards, he's focused, and if he's focused, he's a monster on the boards.
- Early in the game, the Blazers baited the Clippers into some sloppy turnovers. With some full court pressure, Baron found his outlet in Kaman or Camby - and with the centers leading the four on three break, the Clippers threw the ball away multiple times. We all want the Clippers to run - but I don't think we want the Kaman or Camby running the break. In two pre-season games, the Clippers have committed 26 and 18 turnovers. These are not good numbers.
- The offense was pretty stagnant in the third period. Baron was scoreless. The team only scored 19 points total in the quarter, and 10 of those came on mid-range jumpers from Kaman and Camby, many of them late in the shot clock. It all had the makings of one of those terrible quarters from last season - if Kaman and Camby hadn't made some tought shots, it could have been bad. As good as the game was overall, the third quarter was not pretty - it's just that the ugly was masked by some good shooting.
- Rasual Butler, as the primary backup at the two, had trouble defending quick guards. I don't think this is going to be a major issue - MDsr can play any combination of Baron, Bassy and Gordon against small backcourts during the regular season. But it doesn't bode well for the depth issue if any of the quicker guards get injured. I don't think Ricky Davis is an option here, thought Mardy Collins might have better luck.
- Al Thornton's ball-stopping tendencies stood out more than usual with improved ball movement everywhere else. It seems like this should be pretty easy to correct. "Pass the ball, Al." We'll see. But I will say this for him - it is nice to have a guy that can get a shot, and have a reasonable chance to make it, deep in a shot clock when nothing else is happening. Al can do that.
So going into Monday's game, watch for rebounding, turnovers and defense. The rest will take care of itself.
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Thanks Steve
I finally get to watch a clipper game tomorrow, and in HD! i hope blake gets some more minutes and i think his match up with Randolph is going to be really exciting. Also, I’ll be looking forward to seeing what the “new guys” can do (well, more than a box score at least)
Saw that
That’s sick.
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by Steve Perrin on Oct 11, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
3rd quarter problems...
Last season the 3rd quarter was dispicable for the Clippers. It often is, and I don’t want to go on an anti-dunleavy rant here (I hate him as our coach but I think for this team to have a chance we need to give him one more chance because he deserves that courtesy of the GM). But to me bad or as you put it “pretty stagnant” with all “the makings of one of those terrible quarters from last season,” seems to be a lack of a halftime game plan. We all know Dunleavy is a great planner who probably over-coaches during the game, but why does every team we play come out of the gates at half-time with a game plan and the Clippers don’t? What could the Clips be doing at half-time?
Anyways, I’m so happy and cautiously optimistic about the team this year, Blake is great, couldn’t be happier. It will be hip2clip again!
Here's my random thought ...
Blake Superior may backfire as a nickname. Say Blake has a solid season, but doesn’t put up ROY numbers (which by many is where his standard is set).
He could be coined as “Blake Inferior”
Clips vs Dubs - Take 2
Looking forward to watching take-2 of the preseason matchup with the Clips throwing in a few rotation players who did not play in the loss a wk ago (Blake, Camby, Telfair). Based on positive reviews from the folks who showed up to the Blazers game I also can’t wait to see players who underperformed in last wk’s game getting an immediate opportunity to make amends.
One of those aforementioned underperforming players who has the biggest opportunity of a bounce back performance was Al Thornton. To be fair, majority of his mishaps in gm 1 was a function of his quick fouls, and subsequent desire to make up for lost time. With Griffin/Camby likely drawing the Randolph assignment, Al should be able to stay on the floor and focus on playing instead of rushing his game. LAT’s glittery report on Al, along with his box score line playing against talented Blazer wings (did not watch the game but assuming he was matched up against Batum/Outlaw/Fernandez), also gave me reasons to hope for an improved performance.
Still need to find away to watch this game from the bay area but I’m assuming a video can eventually be found since it’s televised. Meanwhile I look forward to your reports
Addendum
It was a pretty quiet Sunday. Just have to get through the preseason at this point, and it would be great, even incredible, if the Clippers can stay healthy.
Kind of funny to contrast how CMDSr knows he’s a bad coach with injured players (or he knows how to act like a jerk, depending on your perspective), while good old Nellie somehow seems to thrive on using his weaknesses to disrupt other teams, most recently the Lakers. Not only are the Dubs missing their young PF now, but without Jackson for the game tonight they’re missing arguably their best player. And with the Clips getting three critical rotation players back, and it also being a meaningless preseason game, the Clips by all rights should be looking forward to crushing the Warriors. And yet, as SP points out, somehow playing the Dubs is a little bit of a nightmare.
I’m having fun watching other teams try to start to gel these days, including the Warriors. The main guy I’ll be keeping an eye on tonight is Stephen Curry. In the first place, there’s no way to tell how Nellie will form his attack. Will he start Ellis and Curry in the backcourt? Unless I’m mistaken, it seems to be turning out that Curry is more of a natural PG than most of the other recent SG tweeners, even a teammate like Ellis, but also including Bayless and Gordon, and I know I’m forgetting a bunch of others. But Curry is a shooter, an Eric Gordon, Steve Novak, Anthony Morrow-level shooter, even if he sees the court, though he hasn’t heated up yet and missed a bunch of shots in the last game against the Clippers. At any rate, it should be interesting to see how the Clipper backcourt of BDavis and EGordon fares.
I’d like to see BDavis log some strong minutes and lead the attack, but if we can see that he’s in good form and energized, as he seems to be, then he doesn’t have to prove anything in the preseason, and he can save it for when it counts. That gets us to Telfair, who didn’t play against GSW last time, so that should be interesting as well. It’ll be interesting to see if MDSr tries to make a strong assertion of Clipper defense and trying to control the tempo, or if he lets the full-strength team get out and get loose, especially in the second half, against a team that wants you to play that way.
Portland and BlazersEdge is certainly in a kerfuffle already over Andre Miller, which is nice to see. That was a good win for the Clips, as it seems to have prompted a WC bubble-elite team to start questioning its offseason moves. It just shows that it’s nice to win games, and so many of the good teams seem to have little trouble doing it. Denver, for instance, is riding high, seemingly bringing back the energy and enthusiasm of their great playoff run. SP and others mentioned Carmelo’s 40+ in 20 minutes, or whatever it was. But what about Dejuan Blair’s 28 points, with Tim Duncan pretty much sitting out the preseason? Blair had 4 or 5 rebounds, so he’s not just a Milsap-style rebounder.
I really like SP’s note on Kaman 2.0 and rebounding, and that’s something to watch tonight. Biedrens got off to a great start last season and established himself nicely, while Kaman was a step slow, and I don’t think Camby was up to speed yet in those early games. If I recall, it was too-much-schnitzel German Kaman and Biedrens 2.0, although that matchup wasn’t the focus of the first preseason game. Camby is also interesting, because of the way he matches up with the leaner, less powerful PFs, like Aldridge. Then there’s DJ, of course. Nice to have everybody healthy.
Is anyone else like me, idly wondering whether MDSr is going to get a bit too comfortable bringing Blake Griffin off the bench? Kaman and Camby are such solid starters, and Griffin brings the energy and pop that any coach would want from a 6th man. On top of that, with DJ’s rise, and Telfair as a backup, the second team sets up as a pretty exciting and productive unit. It’s too early to tell, but Dunleavy hasn’t done any tinkering to speak of yet, and it seems like he hasn’t had a chance to figure out the tough decisions. Those are Kaman vs. Camby, to get Griffin in the starting lineup, and Thornton vs. Butler as a starter. The one thing that he has been able to do so far is get DJordan plenty of minutes, to good effect. It’s still early, and only the second game for Griffin, not to mention Camby and Telfair. Just seeing how the game goes with the Clips at full strength, and playing at home, should be plenty.
But playing these games against the weird and wacky Warriors kind of messes things up.
I don't care whether they
bring the Griffinator (his real nickname) off the bench. I want to see how the offensive sets and defense looks. I want to get a feel for the team chemistry, etc.
Looking forward to it.
I like that!
Instead of Griffinator or Terminator how about…
The G1000?!
good old Nellie somehow seems to thrive on using his weaknesses to disrupt other teams,
The nuance missed here is the players Nellie thinks are his best players are in fact not. If they seem to win because he is “handicapped” by injuries, its because the injuries force Don Nelson to play the ones who are in fact his best players.
Huh?
Is anyone else like me, idly wondering whether MDSr is going to get a bit too comfortable bringing Blake Griffin off the bench?
He did it once. In one game. I’m not seeing the pattern.
Anyway, neither Kaman nor Camby can really play power forward, ergo no danger.
Finally a response!
I’m a Blake Superior man until we beat it, but the nickname thing has somehow crushed this site’s ability to discuss the Clippers and basketball. Perhaps we’re simply sanguine, and enjoying good health. Rather be doing this than talking about Andre Miller exhaustively. Still, I’m pretty much done with the topic.
I said “wondering if he’s going to get…” Didn’t KA just talk about the future progressive tense somewhere, or did I just dream that? Whatever. The thing is, with Kaman and Camby healthy together for the first time ever, and looking at the matchups with LaMarcus Aldridge and Anthony Randolph, or whatever the Warriors do, it’s not the worst idea ever.
It’ll be good for Griffin to come off the bench for awhile, just to see how Kaman and Camby fare on the court together. They should do well on defense. But Kaman has to be active. With Kaman and Camby as starters, if Kaman stumbles, as he did against Portland, you bring in DJordan right away, trading out big for big. If Griffin starts and Kaman stumbles, you bring in Camby. It’s a completely different rotation. It might be the best way to go in the long run, but it will definitely be a great way to go while Griffin is getting started and comfortable.
On the question of whether Kaman or Camby can play power forward, it seems that neither of them is close to a pure power forward, but they’re very different players, and their skills might complement each other well enough that they can man the 4-5 together quite nicely in most situations.
by citizen zhiv on Oct 12, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
What you wanna talk basketball?
Strange concept. haha
I agree that it’s not really a big deal at all of Blake Superior comes off the bench for a while. He’s a rookie. Lots of rooks come off the bench. EJ did it. He can do it.
Plus, there’s something to be said for managing egos too. Kaman and Camby are both vets who have earned a certain level of respect. Especially in Camby’s case, since he’s the likely candidate to be benched in favor of Superior. At this point in their respective careers, Blake shouldn’t mind coming off the bench, and Camby’s ego can be assuaged by naming him the starter, even if he ultimately gets equal or fewer minutes than Blake.
I know fans, players and even coaches get caught up on who starts, but it doesn’t really matter in terms of on-court production. It’s an ego and pride thing, and that’s why right now it’s understandable to start Kaman and Camby.
Good Point: Egos
It’s working out nicely. Even Griffin’s bruised knee made things a little simpler, favoring Camby. Camby is a fearsome option for the Clips. In the right circumstances he can get tons of rebounds and protect the basket and get up and down the floor very well for a big man, even at his age. He’s long and nimble. With the depth that the Clippers have at the big man positions, he can have his minutes reduced, have maximum impact, and stay healthy. If the Clippers are playing well, you want to save some of the gas in his tank for the playoffs.
Treating Camby with the ultimate, utmost respect is essential, and it will yield great dividends. As far as egos go, it’s helpful that Griffin seems to be a fairly ego-less player. The difference between Griffin and say, Beazley, is pretty striking. So he’ll be happy to be respectful and patient and wait his turn. If he’s not a starter, you know he’s going to explode off the bench, throwing himself over the scorer’s table in the first game back from a minor injury, etc. Might want to keep that kind of explosion to a minimum, but he will be out there making plays, that’s for sure.
Kaman can ultimately give up minutes to Camby too. Less is probably more with Kaman too. I like this idea of keeping Kaman on a short leash and grabbing all of the minutes you can for DJ as his backup. In this rotation, with Griffin coming in for Camby, you probably maximize your minutes for the BGriffin/DJordan combo, aka gunfighter and sidekick with a big ol’ shotgun, Batman and Robin, name your dynamic duo (not that we’d want to talk about nicknames, but maybe that will break the Blake Superior ice, to try to come up with a name for Griffin/Jordan). A nice little dose of the young’uns right in the middle of the rotation could be fun to watch. It’s a bit hard to get to the other way around.
by citizen zhiv on Oct 12, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
The Twitter Twins
By day they ride around LA, eat, work out, and hang out and get into scrapes, and we hear about them. By night they are a Clipper death squad.
Pretty lame name actually, but most of us know about them and their mutual exploits from Twitter.
by citizen zhiv on Oct 12, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Camby
I really don’t get the Camby love at all. His offense is limited as he has no post games and settles for way too many jumpers. And I don’t get how he can be all that effective on the offensive glass as he keeps calling for the ball at the free thow line instead of standing under the basket waiting to collect rebounds. I think his defensive game is overrated. I really don’t see any compelling reason why he shouldn’t be moved right now. As good as Jordan looked I don’t want to see Camby getting his minutes at the 5. Griffin can be backed up by Smith and Skinner at the 4 and Kaman can be backed up by Jordan and Skinner. Deal Camby for legitimate backup shooting guard.
If you don’t want to move Camby because you like the depth in the front court then fine, but I don’t see why he should get meaningful minutes.
by Michael White on Oct 12, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe deal Camby to GSW for Morrow and ?
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
No Capt. Turnover tonight,
without Captn.JAX GSW may start Curry so I just Hope MDSr. just uses the same line up as the Portland game and we should be good especially is we play D like we did against Portland. He may just start BG at the 4 and bring MC off the bench.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
I think BG will body up better on ARandolph and keep him from any touches.
So that will take away any post or wing play from ARandolph and force GSW to go to someone else.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Yeah, Anthony Randolph is just too quick for Camby in my opinion.
He will need a true PF guarding him.
On the offensive end, Camby isn’t exactly a banger which will minimize AR’s defensive liability.
Griffin will have his way on both ends.
I agree 100%
in the Portland game it seamed like Camby did not even want to be down low and on the switch LAldridge was making him pay until DJ got on him. Also it was like Camby was at the end of every Offensive rotation to shoot it and I just Cringe every time he shoots from more then Fifteen feet, how is he gonna rebound his miss?
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
where to watch the game tonight
does anyone know where to watch the game at online, like where someone is streaming tv? i know justin.tv sometimes has basketball games on, but other than that i don’t know.
by baron davis' beard on Oct 12, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions

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