Catching Up - Clippers - Jazz and Clippers - Lakers
Saturdays of course, I tend to be Coach Steve instead of ClipperSteve, coaching the offspring on their AYSO teams. ClipperMax's team remains undefeated after a rousing 4-1 victory in Huntington Beach, while ClipperZoe and her teammates battled valiantly against the first place team in their division, finally succumbing 2-0.
Then I went and got sick, and spent all day Sunday in bed. So I assure you I wanted to post about the games, but it just didn't happen. Until now.
I did not get to listen to the Utah game, a 103-96 LA win, so all I have to go on is the box score pretty much. It was another come from behind victory - the team's third straight - and while it's only pre-season and the intensity level is way down for everyone, it's still pretty clear that you'd rather be learning how to win in the fourth quarter than how to lose in the fourth quarter.
From the box score, it looks like it was a pretty balanced attack for the Clippers, with Kaman, Griffin and Gordon each scoring 16, Baron contributing 10 and 9 assists. They also got some nice production off the bench from Kareem Rush (13 points in 14 minutes) and Craig Smith (12 in 18). Turnovers continue to be an issue, with 20 in this game. But one thing that is starkly different about this Clippers' team versus those of the recent past is the way they share the ball. Playing against Utah, a team that plays a movement and passing oriented style with a tradition of high assist rates, the Clippers actually assisted at a higher rate than the Jazz. LA recorded 29 assists on 36 field goals, while Utah had 24 assists on 34 field goals. Obviously, a basket counts the same whether it is assisted or not - but is it a coincidence that the Clippers are getting more assists, while shooting a higher percentage? Or is more ball movement leading to better shots? I think it's the latter.
The Clippers entered the fourth quarter against the Jazz down by three. Utah started the final quarter with Okur, Millsap, Brewer, Williams and rookie Eric Maynor on the floor - a pretty serious team. Led by Rush and Smith, the Clippers took the lead 82-81 with 8 and half minutes left and never trailed again. Again, let me emphasize that this is pre-season - Jerry Sloan may have started the quarter with some starters on the floor, but by the end it was Goran Suton, Alexander Johnson and Ronald Dupree, so he didn't seem to concerned with advancing to the finals of the Staples Center Shootout. But like I said, I'd rather win in the fourth than lose in the fourth. If winning is a habit, then maybe the team can develop the habit in pre-season.
Which leads us to Sunday night's meeting with the Lakers. There's really only so much you can glean from the box score without watching a game. I don't know what I would say about the Clippers' 114-105 loss to the Lakers had I not watched it. But having watched it, I have to say it was just a terribly lethargic affair. Maybe it was because both teams were playing on the second night of back to back games. Maybe it's strictly because it was pre-season. Maybe it's because I was sick and I didn't feel well, so everything else seemed off also. I don't know. But even as the Clippers built a first quarter lead of 33 to 22, I thought they looked mediocre at best. The Lakers were simply missing shots (they opened 1 for 11, which as far as I could tell had nothing to do with defense), and the Clippers happened to make some. But if you give Eric Gordon wide open threes, he's going to make them (three in the first quarter). It's nothing to get too excited about, because most of the time teams aren't going to leave him wide open.
Indeed, the Lakers started to play a little bit better, and the Clippers stayed at more or less the same level, and the game changed. I thought it was a very poorly officiated game, with a lot of questionable calls that tended to swing the momentum toward the Lakers at key moments. (My favorite was when they called an offensive foul on Griffin after Jordan Farmar had raised his hand. Everyone in the building knew who that foul was on, including Farmar.) But mostly the Clippers just didn't seem particularly motivated on defense, nor coherent on offense. I mean, how do you lose track of Adam Morrison at the three point line four times? He can't do a whole lot else, but he can stand still and shoot an open three. As for the offense, consider that Gordon, after opening 4 for 5 including those three wide open threes, went 2 for 6 the rest of the way, Kaman went 4 for 12, missing badly on several key trips in the fourth when it was still a game, and Griffin, although he was 6 for 9, did not score on a play called for him all night.
That left it up to Baron to penetrate and try to make things happen, which he did quite admirably, finishing with 16 points and 8 assists. Aside from Baron, about the only thing the Clippers had going after the first quarter was Craig Smith, who was simply outstanding with a team-high 26 points ni 22 minutes. He had the kind of game we've seen him have against the Clippers several times. He's so strong, but also surprisingly quick. He seems to be able to get to the rim with one dribble and just overpowers people when he gets there. He's going to be a real asset off the bench this season.
But it just wasn't enough, particularly while giving up quarters of 35, 26 and 31 points, mostly to the Lakers reserves. Speaking of the Lakers reserves, Shannon Brown, Jordan Farmar, Adam Morrison and Tony Gaffney combined to shoot 19 for 28, with 8 threes - an effective field goal percentage of 82%. That right there is a big clue that this was a pre-season game.
Griffin had the type of game I expect him to have in the first half of his rookie year. He still doesn't really have a 'move' to speak of. And matched up against Josh Powell and Ron Artest, he didn't have the significant physical advantage that he continually enjoyed in college. His baskets in the game consisted of a breakaway dunk after a steal, a fast break layup, a follow dunk, a put back, and two dunks on broken plays - not a single time did the Clippers come up the floor, call his number, and end up with a Griffin basket. Even so, from the beginning of the game, the Lakers choose to double him in the post, and he tallied three assists in the first quarter (including two of the wide open EJ three balls). He's an incredibly skillled passer for a guy his size, particularly for a 20 year old his size, and that will help him immensely. He's solid both passing to the perimeter out of the double (the Gordon threes) and also with clever interior passes (he found DJ inside for the jam as the defense was rotating to help).
He'll be a tremendous asset to the team, and quite productive, even as he's still learning the game. He can average 15 points and 10 rebounds a game on sheer athleticism and hustle - just like tonight, he'll score on fast breaks, catching lobs and getting offensive rebounds. But he'll also be working hard and developing those go to moves, and that 15 points per game is just going to go up from there. Plus, his versatility and defense simply begs for him to be on the floor. Where most rookies have trouble getting minutes, it's easy to imagine Griffin getting more minutes than any other Clipper big man (on a team with a crowded front court) simply because of his versatility. He can defend 3's, 4's or 5's - and MDsr raves about his defensive acumen, how he never misses a rotation. So he'll be on the floor.
It would have been nice to beat the Lakers, even if it is only pre-season. But we can take comfort in that fact as well - it is ONLY pre-season.
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Always want to beat the Lakers
But we blew them out in pre-season last year, then promptly got blown out a week later on Opening Night.
So if we can flip the script, lose one in pre-season and ruin their ring ceremony on Opening Night, I’ll be PLENTY happy.
No fancy title SP?
like: Lakers drain Blake Superior and leave the Clipper ship stranded
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.-1984 George Orwell.
OT...
SP, what age group do you coach? this is my 2nd season coaching ayso(U6 and now U8). It’s been a tough season having alot of new/shy players, but i am proud of the way they played this weekend…A huge improvement from the start of the season!
Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"
AYSO
I coach boys U14 and girls U12. I started with Max when he was 7, playing U08, and Zoe started playing when she was 5 (although I didn’t coach her the first couple of seasons). Anyway, between the two of them, I’ve coached 11 teams over the course of 7 years at this point. And I never even played soccer.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Oct 19, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Lethargic game, yes
And I had to miss several chunks of it. But I see that Kobe only went 3-11. Can we attribute that to Butler’s D, someone else’s (Gordon?), or just Kobe himself?
Do you suppose Thorton was kept out the whole time for a reason?
Should have mentioned it
Thornton got a ‘stinger’ (where your arm goes numb) in Saturday’s game. It’s no big deal, but that’s why he didn’t play Sunday. He didn’t even dress. Camby (ankle) and Bassy (hammie) were both held out as well, but none of the injuries are serious.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Oct 19, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Lethargy...
Boxscore had Thornton listed with an injury, but I was wishing he was available. Butler rebounds about as well as Gordon. Not very well.
Watching the Laker broadcast illuminated something else as well. Clips broadcasters are way way way better and more entertaining Lakers guys. Stu is a stiff. Joel Meyers is pompous.
Baron played well. Hate to see him playing all those minutes back-to-back in preseason though.
Kareem Rush looks nice, but this team needs a third pg. Mardy Collins it ain’t.
I really think Mardy is overlooked as PG. He had at least two great passes. The lob to BG, and the beeline to EJ under the basket from the top of the key. I’m still high on Mardy, sucks he gets such a bad rap.
by Gordon for President on Oct 19, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Mardy was dreadful
he looks clumsy and in over his head. Last year he was a competent SF, but I don’t see how the Clippers (in a pinch) could let him play PG for a significant stretch of time.
by Michael White on Oct 19, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed on Baron
Dun needs to watch his minutes more. This is pre-season after all. Yes we want to continue the momentum and good feelings from training camp, but all those good feelings won’t amount to much if Baron goes down early from being overworked in freaking pre-season.
It’s too bad Bassy got hurt early (injuries…again…). I’d prefer to see him get big minutes in the pre-season to get a better feel for his teammates and vice versa.
We’re definitely going to need Bassy to be healthy this season. I’m sure he’ll get plenty of minutes.
Mardy is in the game to play D and Pass,
he is not there to score unless it is an easy bucket. Mardy played well but we could use Bassy back, he just seamed to click with the 2nd. line and we could of used AT to play D down the stretch. KR and Sool are lacking in the D dept.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
This is a joke, right?
“Could of used AT to play D down the stretch.” hahahahahahhaa good one, man. Top-notch comedy. AT over ’Sool for defensive purposes – classic.
Butler's definitely better than AT at D
Though Butler is too lean to guard Artest. Either Blake needs to switch over or AT might be better on him though really I think its to our advantage if the Lakers go to Artest and ignore Gasol and Kobe who have bigger advantages.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Oct 20, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Joel is cheesy too
I get the feeling even Stu thinks he’s lame. Highlight is when Stu tells Joel he has too much free time on his hands.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Oct 20, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd blame it on Kobe
Because Kobe can pretty much score on anyone
by AtotheZ on Oct 19, 2009 4:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think EJ is to blame and Kobe would be the first to say it.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Not really
Kobe had some decent looks, tough shot for most players but he can make them. That said if you force Kobe to take fadeaway jump shots all game you are doing a good job.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Oct 20, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
All in all it was a Good showing,
BG was doubled most of both games but if you look at the Lakers game our starters had there way with them and not until the bench vs. bench did the Lakers get the edge, oh and the Refs in the 3rd. were the worst I have seen so far this season they practically gave the game to the Lakers. Hope the 27th. we CRASH the party and make Crickets chirp at Staples center.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
It was a good showing
We should keep in mind that both sides had key players not playing last night – Odom, Gasol, Walton, Camby, Telfair, Thornton…
Ya, we were far more Handicapped then them and still almost Won.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Really?
Gasol>Camby
Odom>AT
Walton=Telfair?
I would say the Lakers were more handicapped. The dropoff from BG to Camby is negligible (may even be a plus) plus the Rhino got to play more and he was awesome. Gasol to Josh Powell? Pretty steep decline.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Oct 20, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
That's actually a very BIG decline
Just like Brand to Powell. We all know how the hell that went. I’m just glad Powell isn’t on our team anymore. Never liked that dude. Wasn’t a good scorer, and wasn’t one of the better rebounders or defenders. Too bad he was given so many minutes that year..
100%
Watch on the 27th. we will own Gasol in the paint and Lamar Kardashian will be a non factor too. Oh and Bill Waltons Shadow wouldn’t even be in the league if it wasn’t for his pop.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
The Game Aside
I’m kind of worried about these “replacement” refs. Some of those calls looked really biased towards the Lakers. Sure these new refs might have undergone a lot of training but how many of them have personal opinions on the Clippers? How many of them will give in to the fear of the home crowd and give the “champs” the benefit of the doubt while having nothing to fear for calling fouls against the “lowly” Clippers?
I am curious to see how well these new refs hold up in the regular season.
I’m doubtful of their ability to remain unbiased and call fouls fairly. Seems like some coaches don’t like the level of officiating they have seen so far either.
Magic, Van Gundy fined $35,000
NEW YORK — The Orlando Magic and coach Stan Van Gundy have been fined $35,000 each for his criticism of referees earlier in the week.
The fines were announced Friday, a day after Van Gundy’s comments about the replacement officials were published.
Van Gundy became the third coach in three days to be fined. The Charlotte Bobcats and coach Larry Brown were each fined $60,000 on Wednesday for Brown’s verbal abuse of officials and refusal to leave the court in timely manner after he was ejected during a preseason game, and his subsequent postgame criticism.
Memphis Grizzlies coach Lionel Hollins was also penalized $25,000 on Wednesday for his critical comments.
I’m sure some of the old refs had biases but at least maybe the coaches knew that and could prepare the players for it? With the new refs there may be so much uncertainty that the final outcome could be seriously affected by them…
I agree 100% these Refs. Suck Big Time,
the 3RD alone of Sundays game was a joke. CSmith drives and is thrown to the floor, no whistle. BG blows on Bynum and Tweet, oh And 1 to boot. As much as I disliked the old Refs these new refs are out of the pot in to the Frying pan.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Refs are horrid...
Foul…foul…foul…foul…
So many ticky tack fouls called it is ruining the rhythm of the game. I think that’s why it is so lethargic to watch. It’s hard to get momentum and excitement when fouls are getting called on everything. I felt that I spent more time watching people shoot free throws then actually playing.
The replacements weren't that bad
It didn’t seem like Kobe got all the calls. Sure, they called the fouls about 2 secs too late.
Rhythm
The whistles did indeed ruin any hope for a rhythm to the game. Maybe that was it.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Oct 19, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Being a ref is a tough gig
It’s a pretty subjective system of assigning blame so one side always feels they are getting screwed. I do think these refs are nowhere as good as the regular refs but complaining about the refs has become standard operation procedure these days. That said, I think they are calling too many fouls and hopefully the regular refs come back during the season.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Oct 20, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Disappointing
Pre-season is great, because you get to enjoy the wins and solid play, and you can write off the poor play and losses and say “it’s just the pre-season.” There were a few good signs in this game, like the way that the Clippers built a nice first half lead, with some nice play by a number of guys. But the team’s failure to show up in the second half was worrisome. The Lakers really had no business winning this game, but the Clippers gave up too much to Bynum and then Farmar and Morrison.
Officiating was a factor, but it was pretty minor. The offensive foul on Griffin actually might have been an okay foul, as he was turning as Farmar smashed into him. But there were earlier calls on Kaman and Griffin that limited their minutes, especially in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. Just unfortunate. But again, the Clips have enough depth and talent to overcome that type of thing, but they just weren’t playing well.
I just don’t like it. It’s a sort of Laker mojo, made worse when Joel and Stu are calling the game from on high. Farmar runs over Craig Smith and throws in a shot and they celebrate how he’s seeking contact. But that’s not a big deal. The problem is that the Clips have to break through, like they did in 05-06, and give anything away. Baron seemed on the verge of doing that at one point, after a call didn’t go his way. For about a minute he played with the intensity that turned around the GSW game so quickly. Last year when he tried to turn it on like that he was ineffective, and he didn’t have the higher gear. Now he’s got it, but the trick is getting it going and keeping it going. This is where the pre-season is funky, especially a back-to-back with his backup on the shelf for the 3rd straight game. I would have been very happy for Telfair to have played those minutes, and Baron to have been sitting this one out.
Bynum’s success was distressing. Kaman made three or four good plays, and he got some rebounds, but Bynum was longer and more athletic and more effective than he was. And then when Kaman had fouls, DJordan threw down a couple of nice passes, but he missed another one right at the rim, and he was back in his “you get two, and I’ll get one” mode with Bynum from last year. The Clips need to be able to stop Bynum, or at least be a little bit more effective against him. Both Kaman and DJordan should be able to answer that challenge. It’s not easy, but they need to win some of those battles. Artest and Kobe were disinterested and well-guarded, and it you stop Bynum the Lakers are down to weapons like Farmar and Morrison. And when those guys hurt you, when Adam Morrison gets hot and Ricky Davis, guarding him, is nowhere in sight, it’s a little depressing.
And while we’re on Morrison, for just a moment, no Steve Novak? No Al Thornton, no Steve Novak? If Morrison is getting all those minutes and scoring points, no Steve Novak as an answer? I realize that Craig Smith/Rhino was giving an impressive showing, which makes it trickier. But Camby was out too. And it’s the preseason. The question is whether there’s any time that Novak is going to play. It’s hard to tell when that might be. But what do I know.
The big thing in this game, of course, is who didn’t play. In the first half, the whole time when Joel and Stu were talking about how the Clippers look good on paper, but they never get it together, and the Clips were up by 15 and they could give Kobe plenty of attention, I kept thinking about what it would be like if, say, Pao Gasol was out for the season and Lamar Odom missed 50 games. The Lakers don’t have much depth at all, because they’re spending so much money on four guys. Some of the other players are complementary, but the team is pretty mortal when one or two guys are banged up and out. And that’s another reason why you don’t want to let players like Bynum, let alone Morrison, get any sort of confidence.
Pao Gasol may be one of the best players on the planet. Odom sounded like a different human being when they interviewed him (missing a bunch of action while showing him and other Lakers), confident and decisive, a champion. It’d be nice if having Camby, Thornton, and Telfair out was an even swap, but it isn’t. Still, the Clippers have enough talent that they should be able to match up against most teams, even the Lakers. But they don’t have much margin for error, and they don’t need to be increasing the confidence of the Lakers marginal players. They need to be building their own confidence.
But hey, it’s just preseason. Much preferable to play well and give them a better shot next week.
Anyone else pissed off during the Odom interview? He was musing on when he first entered the league. He explicitly said “Back in 1999, I started with the OTHER team”. What the hell is that?
Odom is an ass; always has been, always will be. His quickie marriage is the direct result of his contract extension. He’s settling in for the long haul, and knowing he can’t make a big impact on the court ala Kobe and Pau, he’s doing it off the court.
Freaking daffy, man.
by Gordon for President on Oct 19, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Couple of quick points
I took (of course) the comment about how the Clippers never put it together as an implication about the coaching / management.
I don’t want BD wasting his intensity in a preseason game and I for one am not disappointed about the outcome. I could care less. I wanted to see the players fine tune their games. I agree with Steve’s and Phil’s comments about BG. He has the tools but it will take a while to to put it all together.
I also wouldn’t be disappointed about containing Bynum. He is going to be awesome this year if he stays healthy, and he’s going to get his. The Lakers are a force. They have a great system and they are very confident.
Great points
Yeah, you’re probably right about Bynum and the Lakers. I hate to admit it. I’d like to see Kaman outduel him and DJordan be a little bit closer to matching him, but as you say he’s going to get his. He’s a 4th year player and he has length and skills and the Laker system is outstanding.
It would be nice to get them when they’re depleted and cause them some doubt, but it’s not necessary.
I don’t want BD wasting intensity either, but it’s interesting to watch it flow in a game, to get glimpses of just how tough he can be. Actually, it makes me think that you’re on the right track, and that even with Telfair’s injury and the extra minutes, we haven’t seen everything from BD and he can turn it up another notch when the season begins.
Telfair needs to be healthy of course, but his absence has been an inconvenience. The priority is that BD is healthy and ready to go next week.
by citizen zhiv on Oct 19, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya, it is fun to look forward to having BD start and then have Telfair back him up.
Looking back at that Portland game is the closest we have seen so far to our Regular Rotation. Minus BG starting for Camby that is.
Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.
Bynum
I still have yet to see teams double team him. I don’t see him re-posting either (throwing the ball back and and repositioning) so frankly I’m not sure how well he fits in with their other key guys. He’s also not a very good team defender even if he gets blocks (DJ is also needs to work on his rotations).
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Oct 20, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Laker announcers are the worst in the NBA
The Shannon “Chris” Brown dunk was called a half court dunk by Spiro. “He took off from halfcourt for that dunk”.
He received the ball from halfcourt.
is what they were going for i believe.
how could you
not mention the poster dunk on Mbenga.
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Blake Superior and the Players nickname choice "Amazin' "
From the LA Times -
Air Griffin
Telfair and his Clippers teammates were almost giddy in the aftermath of rookie Blake Griffin’s spectacular flying dunk over Lakers center DJ Mbenga in the fourth quarter on Sunday.
“His nickname is Amazin’,” DeAndre Jordan said of Griffin. “His new nickname is Amazin’.”
Jordan shouted over in the locker room to Telfair, saying: “Bassy! Bassy! Amazin’, right?”
Telfair: “Amazin’.”
“It was a good pass, I just tried to go up and finish,” Griffin said. “I don’t keep track of a personal highlight film. Something like that was fun. Still gotta get better.”
He drew kudos from Kobe Bryant and Lakers Coach Phil Jackson. Telfair declared that was only the beginning for Griffin. “Just showing everybody what he’s going to be doing all season,” Telfair said. “That’s his nickname. Amazin’. That’s what we gave him, the first day he walked in.”
Who came up with it?
“Me,” Telfair said. “The first day.”
Could be worse
although its supposed to be an adjective, I think it plays in nicely with his last name.
FA in 2010.
by ClipperChuck on Oct 20, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Lakers and Undersized Power Forwards
Haven’t the Lakers always had a vulnerability to undersized power forwards? The Houston Rockets definitely come to mind when I think about this statement.
It was very smart for the Clippers to keep pounding through Craig Smith if that was the case. What other teams have a weakness towards players like Craig Smith?
Maybe this can be a topic for a new post, but what is the play style of an undersized power forward, and why can they cause so much havoc to certain teams?
Additionally, I think there is a downside towards being undersized in a position, but if you can implement an offensive and defensive strategy that really makes the upsides or advantages shine (Craig Smith and Eric Gordon), and minimizes the impact of the downsides or disadvantages you will have done a great job as a coach in making your team competitive.
Thank you for your time.
-Clipper Theorist.
by ClipperTheorist on Oct 20, 2009 2:37 AM PDT reply actions

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