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Clippers Club Optimism Special Report

The President of Club Optimism, Citizen Zhiv left an extensive comment on the Blake Griffin injury post.  He chose not to put it on the Front Page in order to avoid bumping things like game and season previews down.  He was wrong.  This is much more important than that other crap.  So I'm cutting and pasting it onto the Front Page.  Steve 

Fired up? Ready to go?

Time for the Nation to begin its journey to the Promised Land!

It might seem like the Fates are toying with us in their usual manner, and the Curse has now outdone itself, really. On this fine fall morning we’re hearing outsiders say "it’s the Clippers" with an extra note of sympathy, while our own insider citizens and congnoscenti feel obligated that they don’t believe in superstition. Okay, you don’t believe in superstition. But just go ahead and take a look at the opening day headline. Could the Curse possibly come up with a better one? Could it possibly time it more exquisitely?

Club Optimism knows the Curse well, and chooses not to tempt its wrath by claiming that it doesn’t exist, or by saying that Club O. isn’t superstitious. Club Optimism is itself a superstition, based on the idea that the the Clippers will emerge as fortune’s favorites one day, that the stars will eventually align, and they’re just taking their time in doing so.

Star-divide

And so today Club Optimism smiles knowingly at the Curse, and says, is that it? Is that the best you’ve got? Because this isn’t so bad. It doesn’t negate the fact that Blake Griffin is on the roster, that the Clips won the lottery and were able to get the best player in the draft. It doesn’t negate the brilliant move by the Memphis Funk in trading for Zach Randolph. Club O. likes the look of the stars as they’re lining up right now, and the fact that the Griffin star is dim and it’s going to have to work its way slowly up from the horizon doesn’t diminish the enthusiasm. The Clips have some bright f-ing stars right now. Take a look at that DeAndre Jordan star, for instance: that thing isn’t twinkling right now, it’s beaming brightly. Kaman-Camby are strong, and the list goes on.

So let’s talk for a second about how this is the best thing that could have happened to the Clippers. The Club is choosing, on this fine morning, drinking coffee and seeing a bright sun shining on a new season filled with hope, to surmise that the Curse’s latest chess move is going to be like the Maggette injury in November 05. It seems at first like a decisive blow, but in fact it’s going to change the game in a positive faction.

As I’ve been reading about the Lakers this week, one thing that keeps coming up is how they calculate their season as consisting of 100 games. We citizens are all focused on the 82 number, from extensive practice and for good reason, but teams that are locks for the playoffs want to get into the 90s and have a look at triple digits. And it’s those last ten or twenty games that really count. Winning 50 times out of the first 80 doesn’t mean as much as winning 5 or 8 or 10 times in the last 20. And obviously that’s when you want to be healthy. Look at the numbers for Pau and Kobe and Lamar: they played 100 games last year. That’s a very nice run of sustained health.

Blake Griffin is going to be available to the Clips soon enough. We can break down the extent of his "broken knee cap," we can compare Liv’s patella problem, we can look forward to lots of stories about how Griffin is going crazy because he can’t play. But at a certain point this season, Griffin is going to be healed and healthy and out on the court. The question is, what will the Clippers look like by the time he comes back? Club Optimism sees this as an opportunity for other weapons to come to the fore, so that when Griffin does come back he provides the extra juice that sends the team over the top and into the playoffs playing phenomenal basketball.

This isn’t like plugging QRoss in for Maggs in 0506. The Clips will respond now with options that are much better than QRoss. The question is whether the rest of their talent will match up to the rest of the Clipper attack from that season. Can Baron Davis do what Sam Cassell did? Yes, and more. Can Eric Gordon match Cat Mobley? Yes, and more. Can Butler/Thornton match QRoss? Are you kidding?

Weren’t we talking at length about the depth of the Clipper big men? Can the rotation of DJordan-Kaman-Camby-Smith-Novak match Kaman-FElton-Rebraca-Wilcox/Radman? That’s the big question. FElton had an MVP season in 0506. In the Club Optimism formulation, Kaman has to show up now in 2.0 form. It’s on him, and in his 7th season, he’s ready and healthy and in shape. And he has great support. Kaman is not going to put up FElton numbers, but he will be productive, he will score and rebound, and DJordan and Camby will match the effort of 0506 Kaman and Big Z. Craig Smith and Novak will match Wilcox and Radman. It won’t be an exact equation, but the Clippers can thrive and win games—and that’s before they add Blake Griffin.

I happen to think that DJordan is the big X factor. Craig Smith is a great option too and he’s no slouch. But I was saying yesterday, when it looked like Griffin would miss the opener, that the Clips might have a lot to gain by additional minutes going to DJordan, perhaps even as a starter. Clipperblog points out in its own aftermath posts, reluctantly calling for continued patience, that the Clips have 96 big man minutes to expend, and finding minutes for DJordan and CSmith (not to mention Novak) with a healthy Kaman-Camby-Griffin getting about 30 apiece could be a challenge. DJordan is more than ready to play 25 minutes a game, and it’s going to be fascinating to see what that does to this team, because now it won’t just be Griffin and CSmith playing beside him, it’s going to be Kaman and Camby. The biggest key for me is how Kaman is going to play when he’s in the lineup together with Jordan, if we will see that at all, if that is an effective tandem. It goes against the grain a bit, as the more obvious approach (and CMDSr’s likely one) is to start Kaman and Camby, and make CSmith the first player off the bench. But DJordan is going to get his minutes, and there’s going to be an extensive mix-and-match going on. I happen to think that, in these circumstances, DJordan is positioned as the player that other teams will have trouble answering, that he’s the best substitute for what Griffin will eventually provide. The veteran trio of Kaman-Camby-CSmith are going to mix it up nicely with other teams, but if DJordan picks up a substantial part of the load early and often, those guys will be that much more effective.

And so Club Optimism is actually pretty psyched right now. The Curse has gotten in a good shot, but we’ve seen much worse, and there’s a lot to look forward to. We’re going to get to the Blake Griffin era in good time. But right now the Clips have the excitement of DJordan, some great vets led by Baron Davis, Eric Gordon ready to go out and kill, exciting new faces like Telfair, Butler and Smith, and Club O. all-time favorite Chris Kaman. Everybody fired up, everybody ready to go.

Let’s get it started!

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There is no such thing as curses

The Clippers drafted the consensus number 1 pick which everyone knew had a history of knee injuries. This wasn’t a secret. He’s now been injured three times since being drafted; this should be that surprising. With Griffin, we’re going to have to learn to take the good with the bad. He plays aggressively, and his style of play will likely lead to injuries. I hope and expect he will work hard rehabbing, and will contribute the best he can when he becomes available.

I still believe (as I believe most did here even before the injury) that Baron Davis was going to be the pilot of this ship anyway. He’s the key. Gordon will get his points (I think the same can be said for Kaman) we just need fired up, in shape Baron that we saw in the pre-season. That’s my source of optimism.

And I completely agree with the author about Jordan.

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions  

True.

Being a contract year, we should get big games from Rasual and Rhino. You know the agent is buzzing to be the star of the game tonight.

by sqrebck on Oct 27, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

As much as I try sticking to neutrality when it comes to club optimism vs the majority over the years...

As long time clips fans we’re "privileged" to earn a rare quality in sports fandom – the ability to analyze true implications of every little development and to be somewhat (or completely if needed be) agnostic to emotions. While this translates well to real life if applied in moderation and as a result I’m not about to be sidetracked from that methodology, I like the way you baked your right to be optimistic into the current state of the franchise.

I agree with most of your points. To me this is not the end of the world as we’ve seen worse so let’s not be tempted to overreact. Plus thanks to your link to the medical white paper we know that, at least in theory, Blake will be able to make a full recovery. The only concern I have with this injury is the disruption it brings to a team that is still in the nascent stage of its soul searching. It’s easy to see how differently it affects a team like the Spurs if Tim Duncan is out for 6 wks – they’ve instill a trusted mechanism and, even if they have to run other plays in his absence they can flip the switch right back without any doubts once Timmy steps back onto the floor. We, on the other hand, were about to make a philosophical change from a half court team to playing a cerebral brand of a running/set play hybrid, with Griffin being the supposedly key enabler of the revolution. Sure we’ve seen promising glimpses of it during the preseason; sure we have the personnel to play respectable basketball even without BG; sure if there’s any rookie capable of missing a significant chunk of the season and pick up the revolution where it left off it would be our very own rook. But how well other players reciprocate to a midseason change to an relatively untried playbook will dictate how our season would turn.

by ClipperLC on Oct 27, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

blakes head

I worry about his confidence and psyche, he heard it right when the clips got the number 1 pick that they were cursed and that he should not play their, what is he thinking and will he be able to rebound from this?

by ImranQ on Oct 27, 2009 10:09 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm with you about his head

and to expand on this…

When he gets back will he lose that killer instinct and become timid?

Blake was built to DESTROY, good or bad, he can’t be expected to “calm down.” The Terminator does not calm down, it only knows how to do one thing: eliminate the target.

by Newton Pham on Oct 27, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think he knows any other way to play

He’d have to be seriously freaked out to tone it down that much.

by dulciusEXasperis on Oct 27, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think if anything

Blake will be anxious to get back on the court and not be so timid. Everybody talks about curses, but it’s ridiculous talk. He for one actually knows better. Some people are so superstitious (primarily in sports). He’s a hustler and a hard worker. He may choose his battles a little more carefully, but he’s not going to stop being Blake.

by Lawler 4ever on Oct 27, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm Def in the Club~!

Go Optimism. People are going to throw away the Clippers because of the Blake injury but that just means it’s going to be even sweeter when they win.

After actually being at the game where Shaun’s knee crumbled (I was in the 200s on that side of the court), this one’s not going to get me down. Not even close. When they had to CARRY Shaun off the court, I might have felt the curse shudder through me and all the other silent fans as we hung our heads in disbelief.

Griffin can walk, there’s no talk of “career ending” injury – it’s just a “fun” thing for non Clipper fans to make conversation about.

All the cliches are gonna start piling up on us (and it seems some here have succumbed to spewing it as well – lmranQ (BTW you mean there, as in the place, as opposed to their, possesive). But as a true Clipper fan, our hopes have always been pinned not on the fact that we have a superstar, but the fact that we have a team of hardworking underdogs that have been counted out by superficial “basketball” fans who only root for stars and “winners”.

DJ & Rhino will step up and all will be fine

Go Zhiv. Go Clips.

by moKi on Oct 27, 2009 10:17 AM PDT reply actions  

I think

we need to stop speculating on the future and get down to basics so management can do what it can to prevent such things from happening in the future. What exactly happened and why?

Was BG prone to such injuries? If so, and as I mentioned in a post below, why is a 6 10 big man who is the franchise for the team constantly aggressively doing high flying dunks? If he is to be successful, and if the team is to be successful, they need to channel his athleticism into avenues that are going to pay off for the long term. This isn’t a video game.

BG would have scored the basket in question whether or not he did so as aggressively as he showed, I would think that if he has a history of knee problems he can use that athleticism in other ways to move and score ala Karl Malone. I’d be curious to know how the coaching staff was interacting with him pre break.

Also, someone mentioned that after he winced he tried to come out but they didn’t take him out. Is that true? Could that have exacerbated the problem?

I’d like to think optimistically, but sticking our heads in the sand doesn’t really do it for me.

by Jax on Oct 27, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions  

In doing what you mention...

You pretty much are eliminating the essence of everything Blake Griffin is about.

He’s a beast, he’s a terminator, he is a killer.

See my post above:

“Blake was built to DESTROY, good or bad, he can’t be expected to "calm down." The Terminator does not calm down, it only knows how to do one thing: eliminate the target.”

by Newton Pham on Oct 27, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not buying any of this

It’s one thing to question the durability of Shaun Livingston. I just don’t see the rationale for second guessing a Blake Griffin pick based on a fear of injuries. LeBron James weighs almost as much as Griffin. Nobody tells him not to jump high and dunk the ball.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Oct 27, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you misread my post

I never said to second guess anything. I would be interested in knowing more about his injury history and about whether high flying dunks create alot of stress on the areas where he is injured. Some have said that he’s injury prone (mwhite above). I have no idea whether that’s true. But I’d be interested in knowing about it.

Apparently you’re not. Fine.

Dunleavy yesterday apparently after they knew he had the broken kneecap:

"The first one said, ‘we know it’s a bone bruise,’ " said Clippers Coach Mike Dunleavy, of the doctor. "There’s some swelling. It just depends on the swelling going down, the comfort level, as far as him being able to play or not."

LA Times

"Tests on Monday revealed the fracture and a second opinion later in the day backed up the conclusion of the first doctor." – latimes.com

by Jax on Oct 27, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's had a couple of minor knee injuries in college

Torn miniscus he had to have surgery on

and some sort of bruise.

by Newton Pham on Oct 27, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blake's history of knee injuries

was noted in every scouting report I read before the draft.

On the whole, I pretty much agree with your point. I’m also not second guessing anything, but it’s something the organization is going to have to manage around.

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think some around here are afraid

of asking questions that might be perceived as second guessing management. Even though the questions posed are relevant and on point.

It is funny though that no one calls MDSr on his lying to the media (including Steve) yesterday. He should have said nothing or that they were awaiting results. But I suspect no one will ask them about that.

by Jax on Oct 27, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Uh...

I don’t think anyone is “afraid” to second guess management. You’re not exactly a trailblazer in that department. Second guessing the Clips is practically a national pastime.

Nobody cares that you’re questioning management. I think people just want you to have valid criticisms and not try to pin every single negative event on management.

If an earthquake occurs and destroys Staples, are you going to ask what Dunleavy could have done to prevent earthquakes?

by madglove on Oct 27, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't pin anything on management

But I am comfortable asking questions about this. The fact that MDSr already lied to us about it isn’t very helpful.

Relax madglove, this is a time for us to grieve in whatever ways we know how.

by Jax on Oct 27, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha

Yup, I’m going to the 5 stages of grief myself.

Luckily I didn’t really make a post when I was really going through my “anger” phase.

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's true.

I think we’re all ticked though…so I’m expecting extra feisty around here today.

I’ll apologize in advance for mine.

by madglove on Oct 27, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's exactly the attitude we need from the players tonight

Baron to initiate a group hug for BG and then go out and kick some Lakers butt!!!!

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Oct 27, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

In the end…this just plain sucks.

by madglove on Oct 27, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

You said it brother

And I want those seismology reports asap

by Jax on Oct 27, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha Ha Ha Ha

I love Clipper fans. The humour stays in our hour of need.

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Oct 27, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I asked Pincus on twitter last night

And came to the conclusion Dunleavy lied. While I am not going to point that out because it is obvious, I will make a mental note that the guy is not straightfoward

by Newton Pham on Oct 27, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yea I think it's obvious

that he lied. Steve actually almost caught him on it. Look how he stumbles when he’s asked about the MRI. He totally passes the buck and acts like he doesn’t know.

NO FREAKING WAY a control freak like Dun doesn’t know if his prized possession had an MRI.

by madglove on Oct 27, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

He Knew

It seems to me that Blake wanted a second in hopes of playing. What’s MDSR suppose to say, hey our guy says it’s a fracture but Blake is getting a second opinion.

by sqrebck on Oct 27, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yea...why not?

How did them lying about it make anything better?

by madglove on Oct 27, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blake

He could play with this injury, and I am sure MDSR omitted certain facts. But he didn’t out right lie.

by sqrebck on Oct 27, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course he lied

Just like he lied when he participated in the Elgin Baylor as GM charade for six years. When he was negotiating with EBrand, as Falk said, he was the GM negotiating with EBrand, not just the head coach. Yet he tried to spin it to us as he was just the coach.

The point is that with MDSr you don’t always know what the truth is. Which is one of the reasons I’m not very fond of him.

I guess that doesn’t bother some people.

by Jax on Oct 27, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would imagine he'll ask why Dunleavy

didn’t get the sysmology reports in that morning!!!!

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Oct 27, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think you can call Dunleavy up on this one.

He obviously knew what the first report was but why would he spill that when they were waiting for the second report back on the knee. That would be a bad call in itself.

Blake has hurt his knee. Why are you suddenly casting these questions out, suggesting that management may not have done their due dilligence on this?

He’s had a couple of minor injuries in college. Most players have. He’s not got a bad history of knee issues at all. I think this is being blown up way out of proportion.

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Oct 27, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where are those reports?

And the comparison to LBJ is pretty funny.

by Jax on Oct 27, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll try to find some today on the internet

not sure how accessible they still are since the draft is long past….

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was a good place to start

Blake Griffin – 2009 NBA Draft Prospect

Negatives:
bq. Lacks polished offensive skills
bq. No real post moves yet
bq. Shaky jump shot
bq. Poor free-throw shooter
bq. An uncommitted defender
bq. Relies mostly on strength and athleticism
bq. Injury concerns about knees

(emphasis mine)

http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=19213&draftyear=2009

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Peeved, nah

I expect nothing but simplicistic cliche’s from the Worldwide Leader in Sports

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow - what is that based on

And what did the Clipper staff do, if anything, to try to minimize these problems (madglove I don’t know if anything can be done, but I suspect that there may be some things).

by Jax on Oct 27, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would imagine

that he submitted to a physical when they worked him out. It would be interesting to see what the physical showed and what types of background info was provided.

by Jax on Oct 27, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Per Wikipedia

Griffin suffered a sprained Medial collateral ligament (MCL) in his left knee five minutes into the Sooners game against the Kansas Jayhawks, January 14, 2008. Griffin did not return to the game and the Sooners would go on to lose, 55-85.23 He would also miss the following game, a 63-61 win against the Texas Tech Red Raiders on January 19.17

Griffin in pre-game warm-ups.Less than two months after injuring his left knee, he injured his right knee in a home victory (64–37) against Texas A&M. The injury this time was torn cartilage, and he had arthroscopic surgery, March 2, 2008. He missed the following game, a March 5 victory of in-state rival Oklahoma State, 68–56, at Stillwater.24 But was back on the court a week after the injury (March 8) with 14 points and 8 rebounds in 28 minutes versus the Missouri Tigers, a 75–66 win for the Sooners on their home floor.17

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blake_Griffin#Injuries

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Its a stress fracture which is an injury based on reps

To prevent such an injury, you would have to argue that Blake should generally refrain from jumping. See again my point about not playing him or other players. If the pain didn’t begin in preseason game 8, it would have begun early in game 1.

Basketball players, Mark Madsen aside, need to jump. He didn’t break his hand aggressively dunking. He banged knees with a wall named Craig Smith and then did what he is supposed to do: run around and jump up and down a lot.

Do you fundamentally misunderstand the injury, or are you being insincere here to take a pointless dig at “management”?

by John R on Oct 27, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Stop using this discussion as a means of arguing with me

No one here wants to read your nonsense. No one says they don’t need to jump. I’m just curious about what others are saying is his injury history.

by Jax on Oct 27, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well you did say he needs to tone it down a bit

and be like Karl Malone and instead of jamming it…doing a little lay up (exaggerating).

but I agree that’s not the same thing as “not jumping”

It’s more like…“jumping smartly and at appropriate times”

by Newton Pham on Oct 27, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

if he stops dunking it,

will he be a kaman he cant finish around the rim and continuiously miss easy scoring opportunities, i say keep dunking and make sure you get the easy two pts. as someone who yells contstantly at kaman i dont want blake to change his game at all

by ImranQ on Oct 27, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Problem is

Your premise is questionable. You’re assuming it’s even possible to “prevent such things from happening in the future.” The reality is, it’s not possible to prevent such things. Just like it wasn’t possible to prevent Livingston’s injury. Injuries are freak accidents and the reality is that this is sports, and players get injured in sports.

It’d be one thing if Blake got hurt b/c he was out of shape and trying to force it (like Baron). Then I’d say, yes, there are steps that can be taken to ensure a player is in better physical condition.

But I think we all know that Blake is a specimen. Even if they tried to tell Blake to not be so explosive (which is fairly ridiculous for all sorts of reasons), who’s to say he’d be able to comply? Have you ever played the game at a high level? It’s muscle memory and instinct as much as it is anything else.

It’s freak accident…AGAIN. It’s a bitter pill to swallow…AGAIN. But I doubt it could have been prevented….again.

by madglove on Oct 27, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

You misread my premise

I don’t know whether it’s possible. Neither do you. But I’d like to find out what his injury history was and I’d be interested to know what if anything they were saying to him.

by Jax on Oct 27, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't misread your premise

If you didn’t mean that, then you sure wrote it like you meant it. You said:


we need to stop speculating on the future and get down to basics so management can do what it can to prevent such things from happening in the future.

Again, you’re asking what can management do to prevent this. NOT “Is it possible to prevent this kind of thing?” You didn’t couch it as a question at all. You called for a discussion on what management could do to prevent it. Again, assuming anything can be done at all.

I’m just saying, you can’t assume that. If you didn’t mean it that way, then that’s fine, but I clearly didn’t “misread” your post. It’s plain as day.

by madglove on Oct 27, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, you misread it

I didn’t say that management in fact could do anything. The implication in my statement above was “if they can.”

by Jax on Oct 27, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree

You can be a terminator, killer, etc., without being reckless, particularly if you know that you might be vulnerable. The best performers learn how to channel their athleticism. There are many different ways to skin a cat.

What’s up with John Wall?

by Jax on Oct 27, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

I think we have the roster to win without BG but,

I just hope the Clippers Staff see that the reoccurring problem is Jasen Powell. He has been there for every mishap and injury over the years and it is time for change and we have to let him go.

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Oct 27, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Come on

How can you possibly blame a stress fracture on Jasen Powell?

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Oct 27, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well how can't you,

he has been the Athletic trainer for the team trough every so called curse occurrence. He is the only staff that has been a there throughout.

I am sure the Athletic Trainer on the Elite teams in the league not naming names would have caught this and not cleared him to play.

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Oct 27, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're SURE?

How? What is that comment even based on?

Give it a rest. Stop calling for regular people to get fired.

I’m certainly no fan of Jason Powell, but at a time when people are losing their jobs left and right, I’m done calling for people to get axed. Again, it’s one thing if we’re talking about multi-millionaires who have plenty of money to live out their lives very comfortably. It’s another when we’re talking about a team’s staff, which doesn’t make that kind of money.

by madglove on Oct 27, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well then keep him on but spend some extra money to get top shelf trainers to help or take over.

We are spending money on these players so we need to spend the money to keep them healthy then.

The insurance and Extended Warranty on a new Kia is a lot less the on a New Ferrari.

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Oct 27, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd agree with that

I certainly wouldn’t mind more money spent on additional staff.

by madglove on Oct 27, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we had Scrub player then I can understand Scrub Staff but,

now we are borderline Elite and we changed our line up to elite so how the staff must follow.

Car analogies work good for me so I use this,

If you paid $1.5 Million for a Bugatti would you take it to Jiffy Lube to get an oil change?

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Oct 27, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

What is Jasen Powell's job with the Clippers?

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Oct 27, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

His duty's?

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Oct 27, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh I see where this is going

So he’s the trainer, someone got hurt, therefore it is the trainer’s fault.

Again, that is not evidence, but if your going to keep hammering on that non-point then I’ve already lost interest in discussing this topic.

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Griffin had a history of knee injuries.

Not even the Phoenix staff with their “magical” powers could have prevented this. Clippers knew what they were dealing with.

by Julio Nievas on Oct 27, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Per ESPN Insider on the NBA Draft on Blake Griffin:
  1. Negatives:
  1. Lacks polished offensive skills
  2. No real post moves yet
  3. Shaky jump shot
  4. Poor free-throw shooter
  5. An uncommitted defender
  6. Relies mostly on strength and athleticism
  7. Injury concerns about knees

by Julio Nievas on Oct 27, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I beat you by a minute ;)

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's good to be optimistic

I don’t think anyone assumed that Blake would save the season. He wasn’t taking this team to the championship, and as others have said before, the success of the team this year depends more on Baron, Gordon and probably even Kaman more than it did Griffin.

But it’s silly to try to pain this as any kind of positive event. Let’s be realistic here. Being optimistic is one thing, but you have to be honest with things. Blake’s injury is a concern for the future. It raises questions as to whether he’s injury prone, and whether that specific injury will rob him of one of his best assets, his athleticism.

Zhiv, your write up assumes that he’ll just return to full health with no after effects. Maybe that will be the case. But in my experience, knee injuries often have long lasting effects, especially for players who rely on their athleticism. It’s certainly a huge concern. And just the mere fact that he has already suffered a fairly serious knee injury before playing 1 NBA game is a very scary thing.

My one ray of hope is that he’s young, and kids that age usually heal really fast. But Clippers history is screaming in my ear that this isn’t a one time thing.

by madglove on Oct 27, 2009 10:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Wait Blake Griffin originally hurt his knee banging it with Craig Smith's?

And then Camby gets his ankle tweaked by another “accident” when Craig Smith tumbled into him?

Is Craig Smith some kind of implant sent by the NBA gods to make sure this team doesn’t succeed?

by Newton Pham on Oct 27, 2009 10:41 AM PDT reply actions  

The biggest concern of this whole dilemma is

the mental state of the team, which seems to be very fragile. This has been a buzzkill and sort of takes the air out of the optimism.

by Newton Pham on Oct 27, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't mean to beat up on you

but how on earth are you qualified to testify to the “fragile mental state of the team?”

by Michael White on Oct 27, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not qualified...

I did not say, “in my professional opinion”

I said…“seems to be”…which one can infer is my opinion. When writing and stating an opinion, you don’t need to add, “in my opinion” …it should be understood.

Dillman, SP, Pincus, everyone stated how somber the mood was around the entire facility. From that I gathered that everyone is down. Couple that with what happened last year and it’s evident in my eyes that the team didn’t have the strength to bounce back last year, so I am fearful they will not be able to this year.

by Newton Pham on Oct 27, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also there was so much momentum going in..so much excitement

do you disagree that a little bit of the air has been let out of the balloon?

by Newton Pham on Oct 27, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Silver lining,

Blake is very young and will heal quickly, is a very hard worker and not lazy so he will train as much as he can with the limitations and he is eager to play and get on the court again.

I do not see him milking this and I am sure he will put in the work to get back right.

Time for teamwork, dedication and perseverance to be put to the test.

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Oct 27, 2009 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Jason Powell

I would like to hear what his overall thoughts on this and many other clipper injuries are throughout his time here. The secretary of defense usually answers questions and now its his turn.

by ImranQ on Oct 27, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

+1

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Oct 27, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

This Club Optimism post is

such a downer. It started well, now I feel all depressed.

After reading these comments, we should fire Powell (I dislike him, too) and trade Blake for Thabeet, Hasheem

by Qlippers on Oct 27, 2009 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

A Debbie Downer...

Thanks for the report, Steve. I just did a post on the fantasy fallout from this injury on my site. Feel free to let me know what you think.

And as an LA-transplant (from Houston nonetheless; injuries seem to follow my teams), all I can say is……. ugh. I can’t say I’ve been a Clipper fan long enough to hate on the team trainer, but I know where it’s coming from… (T-Mac and Yao, anyone?)

by steven (@fantasyhoopster) on Oct 27, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

The current Rockets trainer

Didn’t he work for the Clippers at one time?

by 5ryu on Oct 27, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions  

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