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Playa Vista, Clippers October 27 - Griffin and Dunleavy talk about the Injury

I just left a press availability with MDsr and Blake Griffin a few moments ago.  Or as I quipped with the ClipperWidow as I left the house, a 'depress availability.'  But it turned out not to be quite as depressing as I thought.

There is also a new release from the Clilppers on the injury.  Here's the text:

Los Angeles Clippers' rookie forward Blake Griffin suffered a non-displaced stress fracture of his left patella during the Clippers' last preseason game vs. the New Orlans Hornets on Friday, October 23rd. 

Griffin, who underwent an RI yesterday which confirmed the diagnosis, was examined by both team physician Dr. Steve Shimoyama as well as specialist Dr. Neal ElAttrache.  Based on communication between the two physicians, it has been determined that Griffin will be sidelined for approximately six weeks.

During this time Griffin will receive bone stimulation and PRP (Platelet Rich Plasma) treatment.

Griffin originally suffered a brusied left patella during practice on Thursday, September 24th and was eventually cleared to resume full basketball activity.

Griffin, the first overall selection in the 2009 NBA Draft, averaged 13.7 points, 8.10 rebounds and 28.0 minutes in sever preseason games played.

 

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Given that we're talking about the first overall pick and that tonight's game is on National TV, it was more than just myself and Lisa Dillman today.  So look for my hand holding a recorder in front of Craig Sager's face when they show the interviews on TNT tonight - or just imagine me there.  Both MDsr and Griffin handled the questions well.  The coach spoke of the added depth and particularly of the front court depth, and even had the temerity to suggest the silver lining of freeing up more minutes for guys like DeAndre Jordan and Craig Smith and keeping them happy. 

And if nothing else, this is another opportunity for Blake Griffin to demonstrate what an exceptional individual he is.  He graciously answered questions, handled himself with aplomb, and came across with the same calm demeanor he always shows with the press.  We know this is monumentally frustrating for him, but he's not letting it affect him.  He referenced the confidence he has in his teammates, and just talked about staying in shape, listening to the medical pros, and getting back on the court as soon as he can.

Dena from the Clippers had the Flip camera rolling, so I expect video of both interviews up at Clippers.com soon.

I'm no doctor, but I do know that a non-displaced stress fracture is better than a displaced stress fracture.  I also know that the long term prognosis for a stress fracture is for 100% recovery - it just takes some time.  It must be a very minor stress fracture for the doctors to be discussing a six week recovery timeline.  I don't know much about bone stim or PRP, but Wikipedia does.

I asked MDsr if six weeks meant missing six weeks of games, or if it meant six weeks before he returns to practice.  He said it was his understanding that he'd be playing in six weeks. - "Six weeks is like fully healed, back."  He also said that Blake could play on it now, but that it just wouldn't get better if he did.

If you're wondering how restrictive this rest period will be for Griffin, I can offer a couple of insights.  He spoke multiple times about staying in condition, and while he obviously isn't going to be doing an running or jumping, he will be able to swin and otherwise train in water.  He also was walking around the training center without a brace or even a sleeve on the knee.  Basically, he's just not that badly hurt - but modern medical exams and procedures allow the doctors to know that this could get worse if it doesn't heal, so they need to shut him down and let it heal. 

It's also interesting to note that the mood in the training facility was much more somber yesterday than today, if you can believe that.  I think yesterday the unknown was hanging over everyone's head.  Today, the team knows what the situation is, and is prepared to deal with it.

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It's amazing how cursed this team is.

The Chicago Cubs have nothing on the Clippers.

I've got nothing.

by bc56274 on Oct 27, 2009 11:56 AM PDT reply actions  

craig sager

was he dressed normal or was he wearing a crazy suit there

by ImranQ on Oct 27, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Business casual

A polo and dockers. I barely recognized him.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Oct 27, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope DJ plays a solid game and doesn’t foul out in 10 minutes since I started giving him big props at TBLA. Don’t embarrass me big guy.

Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen

by Phil Gurnee on Oct 27, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for the update

And Lisa Dillman via twitter says that Baron will play tonight but she isn’t sure how many minutes.

by madglove on Oct 27, 2009 12:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Like it or not...

This is a curse…although, I’m not one to believe in one, but then again, better safe than sorry. This is just a FREAKY accident, but in any case, this cycle of injuries need to stop….

The national media has synonymously linked Clippers with “curse” or “underachievement” or “loser”. I love my Clips and it kills me to have that association but who can blame them?

I think in order the “break” this curse, I propose the following:

- CHANGE THE NAME!!! No more “CLIPPERS”; call it something cooler so as to not associate Clippers with losing. Look at the Tampa Bay “Rays”!

- MOVE LOCATIONS! We can’t live under the shadows of the Lakers anymore. We need to have our own identity. Move to Anaheim or San Diego, or heck…City of Industry next to the new stadium they’re going to build

- CHANGE THE JERSEYS! This is part of having a new identity.

And no, changing coaches or owners or personnel isn’t gonna do it. We’ve been through this merry-go-round before and the only constant has been the Clipper name. I think we ought to change it if we’re serious about having our own identity and remove the negative label…and heck, “break the curse”!

by clipFanInSD on Oct 27, 2009 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Heh heh heh

“During this time Griffin will receive bone stimulation and PRP (Platelet Rich Plasma) treatment.”

First off… “Bone Stimulation” heh heh heh.

PRP could easily stand for Popular Rich People Treatment coupled with Bone Stimulation… now thats effective rehabilation.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Oct 27, 2009 12:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks Beavis

Or are you Butthead?

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Oct 27, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would like to think

I have the better characteristics of both. Sorry even at the ripe age of 28 how can I pass up a easy joke for Bone Stimulation.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Oct 27, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Butthead

Well he was the smarter one so I’ll take it.

FA in 2010.

by ClipperChuck on Oct 27, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Poor dude, you can see it was like he almost wanted to cry in the press conf.

He want’s to play so bad.

Everything starts out New, Gets Old and Dies or is Destroyed.

by HVYDRT007 on Oct 27, 2009 12:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Gotta credit MDSr.

Ruined by injuries the past two years, he’s at least created a safety net in the front court. I sincerely believe DJ and Craig Smith can help hold the fort down till BG can get in the game.

by Gordon for President on Oct 27, 2009 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Should Be On Crutches

Griffin should be on crutches, and now “walking around without even a brace on his knee.” Even though it’s a minor fracture, it has NO CHANCE of healing unless he keeps weight off it while he does bone stim; especially at his weight. It probably doesn’t hurt a whole lot, but he can’t fool around with it if he wants to return to full running and jumping form, and once again, I can’t believe Jasen Powell is letting him do this.

In Griffin’s favor is that he’s young and bones can heal more quickly; against him is his weight (not that he’s fat, just that he places a lot of weight on that knee). The two variables are his (and MDSr’s) patience, and what kind of psychological impediment this causes when he gets back to full power; I hope none.

by bpr on Oct 27, 2009 1:31 PM PDT reply actions  

thanks again Steve for doing all this work

for us citizens. Unlike lisa and sager, you ain’t gettting the big bucks, but you still do it anyway…the depression does not feel too bad the day after…

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Oct 27, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Well at least he didnt break his hand

Punching the driver of a car her was currently riding in.

by John R on Oct 27, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions  

how long befor Kaman

makes his sunny, bright comments about the team?

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Oct 27, 2009 2:01 PM PDT reply actions  

On the injury

This confirms what I was thinking and hoping. I’m no doctor, and most of us only have a layman’s view of these things. But we’ve heard about stress fractures before, and they’re not really the same as when something is “broken.” Unless I’m wrong, it shows up as a small line on an xray or MRI (though I’m not sure what MRIs look like—some one else can talk about that). I don’t know if a stress fracture is the same as what used to be called a “hairline fracture,” or what a hairline fracture was—a line the size of a hair?. But I think SP is right: the key is non-displaced. It seems to be a weakness, a small line or fracture running through the patella. The patella is completely intact: that’s the non-displaced part.

It seems to be far from a major injury. It’s step two, with added precautions, after the bone “bruise” with Craig Smith. If anybody wants to ask questions, that’s a good one: are they sure that there was no fracture he knocked knees with Smith? It sounds like Griffin has a full range of motion. We don’t know the degree of the swelling. They were fairly patient and waited for the swelling to go down after the initial “bruise.”

Another point is that the writeup said that this is a very uncommon injury. It doesn’t seem to me as if this has anything to do with Griffin having “bad knees.”

It also seems excessive for ESPN to have led with the headline that “Griffin breaks kneecap.” That sounds a lot worse than what has happened here. Griffin has to let the patella set and stay away from running and jumping and banging, but he’s going to feel like he’s fine and “healed” in a week or less. It’s going to be hard for him to hang around while the team is playing. But he should be fine.

by citizen zhiv on Oct 27, 2009 2:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Well Shaun's injury was "uncommon" as it gets.

Just because it isn’t common doesn’t mean he has knee issues. I’m not saying he does, just pointing out that I don’t think it being uncommon is any kind of positive.

I know you’re the President of Club Opt zhiv, but let’s call a spade a spade.

I do agree with you though that it’s probably the next step in terms of seriousness after a “bone bruise”. But it’s troubling that by all indications (lies from Dun aside), the team doctor didn’t properly diagnose it.

If you read between the lines of the press release, it says that they diagnosed the issue after the team doctor and the other doctor "communicated. So really, the team doctor had his head up his butt and the 2nd doctor had to point out the hairline fracture to him. Probably went something like this:

Team Doctor – “It’s just a bone bruise right? Am I right?”

Blake’s Doctor – “Uh…no. Do you see that right there? That’s a hairline fracture.”

Team Doctor – “Uh oh. WebMD says that’s not good.”

by madglove on Oct 27, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I interpreted it differently

I think the team doctor diagnosed a stress fracture, and the specialist was consulted to confirm. But that’s why the place was so grim on Monday when I was there.

The whole “dunleavy lied” thing is getting over played a bit. You’ve seen the interview, you know the situation. We talked about it at the time. Why the second opinion? Has he had an MRI? Did Dunleavy answer those questions truthfully? Sure doesn’t seem like it. But it’s no big deal. He was crossing his fingers and hoping for the best, figuring he could play the “I’m not a doctor, I didn’t know” card later. I’m over it.

In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd

by Steve Perrin on Oct 27, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

I agree with your interpretation of the events.

However, I disagree with whether lying to us is a big deal. It is.

by Jax on Oct 27, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh

I’m more concerned about incompetence than unscrupulousness.

If you think every word the team reps say is completely truthful, you’re overly naive. I doubt you think that. Nobody in their right mind does.

Teams lie all the time to the public, especially regarding injuries. Heck, the Boston Celtics came out and admitted that they maintained the charade that KG might come back from injury in the playoffs even though they all knew there was no chance. It happens.

If the team doctor misdiagnosed the injury, then I’m really worried. If they all knew the deal and just lied, well that sucks but it’s not as big a deal. I don’t really know what they got from lying though. Maybe they just wanted to remain in denial for a bit.

by madglove on Oct 27, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe you're right

In this instance. It just reminds me of a myriad of other issues.

by Jax on Oct 27, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've had a stress fracture before

Not on the kneecap but on my ankle…its non-displaced, didn’t require surgery, and in 4-6 weeks I was walking and fine..I was i believe 20 yrs old when I had the injury so I can say the speedy recovery was due to my age at the time

HOWEVER, IT STILL HURT LIKE HECK THE FIRST WEEK. Doc put me on crutches and cast and advised not to put any pressure on it. I’m not sure if my injury is the same as Sir Griff’s, but a fracture is a fracture….you will still feel it and it stings, and the sensation is nothing like a bruise or a sprain.

by clipFanInSD on Oct 27, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

Fractures don’t feel at all like bruises, sprains, etc. Yet Blake is just walking around, and evidently he wasn’t expecting the diagnosis. The hairline (is that the same as “stress”?) was tiny enough to miss, too. MAYBE he should get a 3rd opinion here.

by SilverClip on Oct 27, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

If its a small hairline fracture then...

I can understand how he can tolerate it, but it is wise (like other people have said) to rest him (heck tie him up in a chair so he doesn’t move around too much) because a small fracture (hairline or stress or whatever) can grow if you put too much stress or movement on it. But I dunno if it was a hairline or not. All I know is when I saw my ankle on the x-ray and doc told me its a “non-displaced” fracture and didn’t need surgery, my ankle was REALLY swollen and its really painful. So yah, Blake should just take it easy.

by clipFanInSD on Oct 27, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Proof of incompetence

Did you guys see the vid of Blake’s interview today? He specifically says that “they” thought it was just the same injury as the first one when he banged knees with Smith, and only after he got the 2nd opinion did they find it that it wasn’t the same thing.

Go see the interview for yourselves so I’m not misrepresenting. Seems pretty clear to me that the training staff in fact didn’t know what it was until Blake got the 2nd opinion.

by madglove on Oct 27, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions  

You are right

I’ve just watched it again. They thought it was something similar to the one before but after another Xray and MRI we discovered it was something more serious.

Unbelievable.

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Oct 27, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very Clipper-esque

The Clippers should bring competent people to protect their assets. Blake Griffin was playing in all those pre season games when he should had been resting. This trainer´s staff is responsible for that and should be let go by today.

by edu_argentina on Oct 27, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

So

that means (1) MDSr wasn’t lying; and (2) if BG didn’t insist on his own second opinion he would have played and made it worse?

by Jax on Oct 27, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which then begs the question for me why

MDSr was so pissed in that interview he gave. Was he pissed as BG was going to be missing for a game or two? Maybe because BG went to get a 2nd opinion?

Bingo! Oh me oh my!

by ClippersUK on Oct 27, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

to me it seems like he was pissed

that bg was getting a 2nd op because he knew the outcome…i know that sounds awful, but isn’t this his final contract year?

Roger Sterling: To my knees, Don. They're bringing to my knees!"

by Lawler's Law on Oct 27, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope

 TWO more years to go (including this one).

by madglove on Oct 27, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Abundance of caution

I think this is wise.

Better to sit him for six weeks than to jeopardize him long term.

Plus, as Zhiv says, it unburies DJ and Smith.

No more injuries, though. Please.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Oct 27, 2009 3:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Charles Barkley bet cweb

that the clips will be better than golden state

by STUCK IN LA on Oct 27, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I guess that's a small win

I don’t think GSW care where they finish

by Qlippers on Oct 27, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

So depressing...

year after year.. so depressing.

'Cause how you play, is how you'll be remembered. PLAY LOUD!

by CLiPPz WeRD 12 on Oct 27, 2009 4:53 PM PDT reply actions  

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