Followup on Clippers' Training Camp
I promised you an update when I was rushed for time yesterday, and the insatiable Citizen Zhiv is not going to let me forget. But when I sat down to write the update, there just wasn't a lot to add. Instead, I thought I'd recap training camp as a whole, from my perspective.
As a preface, in chatting with Neil Olshey at media day a little, he was saying that Training Camp isn't really what it used to be. A few years back, you'd have the young players (first second and third year) come in a week or so early, and then you'd have over a week of camp after the veterans arrived and before the first exhibition game. But in the last CBA, the player's association cut that way back. So now it's show up, practice for a few days, and start playing exhibitions. You can see why the player's would want to curtail camp - thinking back to my high school years, two a days suck, and no one wants to go through them any more than they have to. But it's hard to know how much can be accomplished in a five day training camp, from Tuesday to Saturday. (The irony here of course is that many of these guys will play basketball 12 hours a day if you let them. If they were playing pickup, at the end of game it's 'run it back, run it back.' But when it's a practice with a coaching staff, the attitude can change a little. Having said that, the Clippers to a man seemed to have pretty positive attitudes for this camp.)
Here are some broad observations at the conclusion of Clippers training camp.
Injuries - Because every team gets myopic on their own concerns, and because the Clippers in particular have had such a tragic history (both long and short term) with injuries, I know some of you are wringing your hands over the injuries to Blake Superior, Bassy and now Marcus Camby (who missed today's session with a sore left knee). But putting this in perspective for the time being, the Warriors just lost Brandan Wright for 4 to 6 months with a shoulder injury suffered in camp. By contrast, Griffin would be playing if coach let him, Bassy's ankle x-rays were negative, and Camby is pretty much just resting some sore 36 year old knees. I'll take it so far.
Griffin - MDsr told us yesterday that Blake would definitely not play in Oakland tomorrow. He also said that he would want him to get a 'couple' practices in with the team before he played a pre-season game. So for Friday's first home pre-season game, keep an eye on Wednesday's practice. If Blake is back by Wednesday, then we'll likely get to see his Staples Center debut on Friday. One quick aside on Griffin from yesterday's discussion with MDsr. I asked about wing rebounding (it's a big weakness in Gordon's game, Thornton is a poor rebounder for a three and Butler is worse than Thornton). Coach talked about working on fundamentals like boxing out, pointing out that with guys like Kaman and Camby, the team rebounding should be OK even if some of the individual numbers don't look so great. He then went back to a theme we hadn't heard in a while - Griffin at the three. I was surprised - I mean, when he was talking about that after the draft, I interpreted it as a means of communicating just how athletic the guy is. Not to mention that prior to the the Randolph trade, there was an evident logjam at the big spots, so it was an easy out to say, "Well, we think Griffin can play some three." With Randolph gone, I assumed that talk would stop, and in fact it seemed to have. Blake Superior's natural position is so clearly the four, it just doesn't make sense to play him elsewhere. Having said that, the versatility to be able to do so in some situations is intriguing. At any rate, the fact the MDsr dropped that reference on a semi-related question (it's not like I asked if Griffin can play the three) tells me that he's considering it more seriously than I thought.
Depth - MDsr is clearly pleased with this part of his roster. We've made the point before that last year's starting power forward (Zach Randolph) was parlayed during the off-season into the primary reserves at every spot on the floor except center (Telfair at the one, Butler at the two and three, Smith at the four). Given that any Randolph deal would have been looked on by many as 'addition by subtraction' regardless of who came back, and that the first overall pick is penciled in as the starting power forward beginning some time soon and ending in a decade or so, you can see why MDsr's pumped about his newfound roster depth. In post-practice comments every day he found a way to discuss it. Whether it was singling out how quickly the 'new guys' were picking up the schemes (which is did frequently), speaking specifically about depth, or even (knock on wood) saying that he thought the team could withstand minor injuries this season, it was all a way of saying "We're deeper than we've been in years."
Baron - Going into Friday's practice, I was feeling a little nervous about Baron. Every day the beat reporters (like me!) would ask the coach who looked good, and every day he'd single out a few guys - and Baron was a little conspicuous by his absence. Now, that's an unfair inference on my part - not saying that he stood out as looking good does not mean that he looked bad, or even that he didn't look good for that matter. But on Friday, there were several questions asked specific to Baron, and coach is clearly pleased with what's happening in camp. It didn't hurt the montage that Boom was dripping sweat running shooting drills with John Lucas 90 feet away at the time. And as I mentioned, in the Blue vs. White scrimmage I watched, Baron was getting the rim with ease, and playing tough defense on the other end (he blocked a Novak jumper at one point) and just plain leading. (Citizen Zhiv did the math on the teams and rightly concluded that the talent was stacked against Baron a bit - but I'll tell you right now, he was trying to win that scrimmage.) It remains to be seen if we'll ever again experience the explosive Baron who dunked on Kirilenko in the 2007 playoffs (MDsr says he hasn't seen that guy yet, but that he's getting closer). If he's lost a step, he's lost a step. But his effort is not lacking.
Gordon - Both in summer league and in training camp, it's been interesting to see the coaching staff pushing Eric Gordon. MDsr has always had a penchant for post isolations, and he'll run that iso for any matchup on the floor he fancies. The 2006 Clippers that advanced to the Conference Semis LOVED to post Cassell and Mobley. Hell, remember when the Suns put Steve Nash on Quinton Ross? The Clippers immediately posted Ross, who probably hadn't gotten a play called for him since he left SMU (did you know that he averaged 20 points per game in college?) But Gordon didn't play with his back to the basket at IU, and didn't post up his entire rookie season that I recall. Flash forward to July in Las Vegas, and most of Gordon's points in two summer league games came on post ups. Likewise, they've been isolating him some in scrimmages this week. Baron Davis is a big and strong point guard - so defenses will sometimes defend him with a two, and stick their point guard on Gordon. But Gordon, although not super long for a shooting guard, is even stronger than Davis. MDsr wants to be in a position to post which ever guard he believes has a matchup advantage, hence the work EJ is putting in down low. In addition to that new wrinkle, the Clippers also had EJ working the point some yesterday with Telfair out. We know how good Eric Gordon already is. I for one am pretty pleased that the coaches aren't just basking in the glow of his perfect jumper and relentless drives to the basket, but rather working with him to expand his game further still.
Chemistry - I wasn't around for Camp last year, so I have no basis for comparison. But MDsr has mentioned it a couple of times, and it certainly stands to reason. With ten returning players, with the training facility available all summer, with a first overall pick in the gym day and night, with a talented roster that has plenty to prove - there's every reason to believe that the team will have a much greater opportunity to develop chemistry this season than last. Having said that, it's always possible that they could develop BAD chemistry. After all, I did call these guys the anti-synergy team last season (the whole was less than the sum of the parts). I suppose that could happen again. (I mean, speaking of bad chemistry, Chris Kaman was wearing his practice jersey backwards two practices in a row - when I saw it on Thursday, I thought it was some sort of mistake, but, no, he wore it that way again on Friday. He may have some bad chemistry in his brain.) Working the chemistry analogy a little too hard, one hopes that Blake Griffin is the catalyst that gets this experiment going - but we'll have to wait and see them play.
The team takes the floor for the first time tomorrow night in Oakland, 6 PM tip off. There's no TV for this one, but the game will be on KFWB 980 AM.
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Your comments on Gordon scare me!
Your comments on Gordon scoring all his points doing iso post-ups and talking about the Cassell & Mobley team that did it so well scares me that Dunleavy hasn’t learned and he’s still trying to teach these kids his way of playing basketball which hasn’t worked in the past and is not the running team we are all hoping for. Iso Posts result in the least amount of ball movement because it becomes more of a 1-on-1 game with some of these players and not what they want or we want. It just tells me that Dunleavy the coach will suck again. Hey, Dunleavy the GM did good with the trades but we would still be in shit’s creak and have none of those trades and Randolph on our team if we didn’t land the #1 pick which was pure luck. Just sayin’.
Fire Jason Powell!
Gotta agree
My hats off to GM Dunleavy for this past summer moves. But you are right, if we didn’t luck out getting the fist pick in the draft, GM Dunleavy might not have been able to make the Randoph trade. Coach Dunleavy is the one I am most worried about. Let the guys run. Let Baron run the offense. If every time down they post up, they run down the clock and get in trouble and end up taking bad shots.
Fire Jason Powell! agreed!!
“Blake Superior” Ugh! agreed!!
by sttrumpet on Oct 3, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Scary stuff
But not surprising given who we are dealing with. I would have hoped that they were working on spacing, pushing the ball, etc. Too much to ask for, I guess.
"Blake Superior" Ugh! agreed!!
+1
Stop trying to make “fetch” happen. BG is sufficient for now. Double Ugh!
Well it's not all bad
I just add another skill to his impressive arsenal. I don’t know why you guys think it’s a bad thing. It’s a great skill to learn. If he has a mismatch he can post his man down into either: Getting a easier shot, or getting double and finding the open man.
Mobley was excellent with this move and was able to get his own shot at will. That’s great when the rest of the team has gone cold. It’s also great when you can take advantage of your defender like that.
The thing to worry is the team running the iso too much. But when the opportunity arises, Gordon will now have the skills to either post up or drive to the basket. Before it was only the later.
He’s just giving the kid more skills. Better than then leaving him with only the jumper and the slash. Every great player has multiple skills that can use. Not just the long ball, or the slash, or the post up.
by dulciusEXasperis on Oct 4, 2009 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions
yes on Gordon, no on CMDsr
I agree with you about making Gordon a better all around player, this only helps and I like that. But it scares me that this is just CMDsr’s game plan to use to slow down the tempo like he likes to do. We’ll see tonight a small glimpse into the team playing together, of course without Griffin & possibly Camby now & Telfair, but a glimpse. I just think in the preseason the team should be practicing playing their style and jelling together, hopefully tonight that is uptempo. Only time will tell if CMDsr (that takes long to type out, gotta hold the shift an get all tricky btw) has learned anything.
That's a pretty pessimistic take
The reality is that MDsr is who he is. And you can’t fast break every possession. So to assume that Gordon requires no more work, because all he’ll do all season is fill lanes or spot up for transition threes is unrealistic and short-sighted. The Clippers may or may not run a lot more – but they’ll still have to run half court sets people. And no, MDsr isn’t suddenly going to put in a motion offense or the flex or the triangle. His half court sets will revolve around isos, as they always have.
Please don’t forget that I have gotten to see about 10 minutes out of 5 hours worth of practice per day. Working with Gordon to expand his game is a good thing. And to infer that it means that the whole practice is dedicated to iso after iso is silly. I promise, I also saw Gordon filling lanes during the scrimmages.
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by Steve Perrin on Oct 4, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Great point
I remember reading the first 3 comments and thinking, no its actually a good idea that Gordon is working on his post moves. Its nto that we have to have him post up everysingle possesion, but if Gordon can incorporate that move every so often (and at the same time be effective and efficient with it) he should use it whenever he needs to rather than be predictable and shoot or just drive. It just builds Gordon’s game up more, doesn’t mean Dunleavy is stuck to the 1/2 court game.
Why do you think offenses that don't focus on isos are therefore fast break offenses
Seems to me that there’s alot of misinformation about the types of offenses that can be and that are typically run in the NBA.
Let me be clear – teams run half court sets all the time without focusing on plodding,predictable iso offenses that leaves most of the players out of the flow.
Maybe once we begin to understand these basic issues, we can then start focusing on whether it is appropriate to support or criticize MDSr.
Frustrating.
by Jax on Oct 4, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
"Blake Superior" Ugh!
“Blake Superior” Cute wordplay the first few times you see it but sorry to say it’s lame, pimpy or as Duke Ellington said “it don’t mean a thing if it ain’t got that swing”, it doesn’t.
Picking and setting nicknames is not in the “beat writer” job description. It’s better left to the players, friend or even foes. Give your campaign a rest. Long suffering Clipper fans actually have an acute bullshit meter. That’s why Clipper season ticket holders greet each other with a simple “Hi Clipper Fan”. It’s nothing on paper but eyeball to eyeball the two words are uttered loaded with nuanced irony, wit, cynicism, pain, pride and hope, it’s like our secret handshake. Wait till you’re officially greeted as a “Clipper Fan”.
Steve's pimping of the nickname is noticeable
Wonder why he’s so into it.
Yeah, I agree on the Blaker Superior label.
While we all like Blake and he has the skills to be a great player at this level, let’s at least see him produce for an extended time before we pin nick names on him. Did Elton really ever develop a nick name other than EB after all the 20-10s he put up?
FElton never really had the personality
that deserved a nickname. Griffin on the other hand has lots of personality and deserves a nickname whether it be SP’s or his team mates.
In Gordon we trust
Blake Superior defined:
I’m not quite sure about the nickname since we’re not in Michigan and Blake has no connection to there either. Almost like an obvious nickname the FLakers would give him so I definitely say no for that simple reason.
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Going further it got me thinking about sailing a boat in a lake, like a clipper, so here’s some good old english dictionary meaning of a clipper for ya:
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From Oxford English Dictionary: "The term clipper originally applied to a fast horse and most likely derives from the term clip meaning “speed”, as in “going at a good clip”."
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I like the fast horse part and agree that he does carry a lot of hope on his shoulder and hopefully leads us into the promise land fast, but….. let’s give him some time before we give him our own nickname. It’s almost like naming FElton before he played 1 game here or GMMDsr before he took on that role. And uh, just curious, was our last #1 pick named KandiMan before he played or is that just cuz his fat ass stole everybody’s candy and ate it on the bench as one of the worst #1 picks ever.
Camby Injury Silver Lining
Just a quick comment before heading out, but this is an excellent overall report. It just shows how, with all of the other reporters—who we even get to know better now through ClipsNation, and there aren’t that many of them—SP is going to give us the most in-depth and thoughtful report. It’s pretty spectacular.
The nickname thing isn’t really worth too much discussion at this point, I don’t think. SP kind of likes it, is trying to sell it to Milph, it’s not perfect (whereas, as I’ve said, “Milph” is one of the most perfect nicknames ever. “Most perfect.”), we’ll see what happens.
I’m more interested in the quiet stirrings of the Curse. Didn’t know about Brandan Wright—that’s a bummer for GSW. Dillman’s report on Camby’s injury is that it was a slightly scary hyperextension, coming down wrong on the knee. He should be back soon enough. But again, as will the relatively minor injury to Telfair, which moved up the timetable on getting Mardy Collins and even Eric Gordon reps at PG, this tweak to Camby knocks over a couple of dominoes, especially with Blake Griffin out. What time is it?
Deandre Jordan time! With no Camby and Griffin, the starters—and starters mean even less in a preseason game—could be Jordan and Kaman, or Kaman and Smith. We were probably going to see a lot of DJordan regardless, but now he’ll be getting a whole lot of run. Jordan-Kaman-Thornton-Gordon-BDavis is a lineup that works fine for me, especially for a preseason game. I’d kind of like seeing DJ run with Griffin as in summer league, but it will be fun enough to watch (hear; see the stats) him playing with BD.
Tonight's game...
Is it going to televised?
by The Only Team That Matters on Oct 4, 2009 10:39 AM PDT reply actions
Typos suck.
I mean is it going to BE televised?
by The Only Team That Matters on Oct 4, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
No...
Radio only.
In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. - Elwood P. Dowd
by Steve Perrin on Oct 4, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
It's Time Clipper Nation
Let’s hope tonight is a great victory for our guys and that it may be a small peek at how we can expect them to run the ball this season. I’m so giddy for the game to start -and I am totally rocking my Clipper attire today. Who’s representing today????
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Trying to listen online...
Dude…I was able to hear the game on my car AM, but now I try to log onto it at the KFWB site and they give me two dummies talking about a skincare product. Anybody know how/if I can get the game online??
by The Only Team That Matters on Oct 4, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions

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